Djokovic’s sponsor Lacoste to ‘review events’ around Australian deportation

Rabbit said:
This is a tough one for me. I'm double vaxxed and was headed to get my booster during Christmas. On the Monday I was going, I woke up and felt like crap. Got tested. Tested positive. Had Covid over the Christmas holidays. It was like the flu; headaches, achy joints, etc. It lasted about 4 days. Consequently I isolated for two weeks. So now my view is, this wasn't a vaccine. A vaccine prevents you from getting the disease like small pox, polio, etc. I'm not sure what this is. But I am done.
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The point of a vaccine is to prepare your body's immune system to fight off the infection more effectively when you're exposed to it for real...not to prevent you from coming into contact with it at all. You're still going to get it, especially when it's everywhere like Omicron is, but your likelihood of serious complications is significantly lower. If you're immune enough, you won't exhibit symptoms that impair you. You still get exposed to the virus...your body can just fight it off faster now. And it gets better every time. Like how when a young player bursts onto the tour (Raducanu/Fernandez?) and after that initial run, people start to figure their games out, and they are much more beatable because the opponent has a gameplan against them. The vaccine helps your body build that gameplan. And each time we can see that new player compete (each time we see the virus again), we can see their weaknesses again and play against them even more effectively. It takes time and won't happen immediately. And for the threat to disappear, we need lots of people with immunity. It gets hairy when the virus has serious complications and spreads rapidly - even a few bad cases overwhelm healthcare infrastructure, and then we have a situation on our hands like we have right now. It's an uphill battle, but vaccines make the grade more tolerable - and eventually pretty flat - if we have a lot of people on board. Your decision to get vaxxed (and boosted it sounds like) does help and does matter...the caveat is that we need lots more people on board.
 
I'm sorry, with the polio vaccine I don't recall anyone getting polio afterward. Or the MMR vaccine or the small pox vaccine. Vaccine has a different connotation than preventative measure.
 
Rabbit said:
I'm sorry, with the polio vaccine I don't recall anyone getting polio afterward. Or the MMR vaccine or the small pox vaccine. Vaccine has a different connotation than preventative measure.
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Rabbit said:
I'm sorry, with the polio vaccine I don't recall anyone getting polio afterward. Or the MMR vaccine or the small pox vaccine. Vaccine has a different connotation than preventative measure.
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A big part of polio virus being effectively eradicated (in developed nations) is because it's generally spread through feces...easier to stop it when two actions - you clean up drinking water and protect people against the virus with a vaccine - can have a giant effect on spread. For measels, it doesn't really mutate (so vaccines are highly effective) because if it does, its protein spikes - the structures that allow a virus to infect your cells - are rendered ineffective. So, it's NOT that vaccines don't work. It's that Covid-19 is a robust jerk who gets up and adapts every time you knock him down.
 
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R. Schweikart said:
I don't think so.
Plus Lacoste still wants to earn money in Serbia.
No Serb would ever buy even a headband again if they dropped Djokovic. Lacoste shop in Belgrade would be fire-bombed.
I don't think they would risk it.

BTW, Nike would hire Djokovic in a heartbeat. They have a knack for rebels who don't follow the rules.
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I don't think Lacoste really worries about the Serbian market - its not like EVERYONE IN SERBIA is buying Lacoste.
So what if the Lacoste shop in Belgrade is firebombed - multiple shops have been looted elsewhere and they didn't bat an eye.

Nike wouldn't hire Djokovic - no "street" cred and he's too old.
Nike's rep and market is based on street cred - not a Serbian market or middle age man market.
 
skhong248 said:
I don't think Lacoste really worries about the Serbian market - its not like EVERYONE IN SERBIA is buying Lacoste.
So what if the Lacoste shop in Belgrade is firebombed - multiple shops have been looted elsewhere and they didn't bat an eye.

Nike wouldn't hire Djokovic - no "street" cred and he's too old.
Nike's rep and market is based on street cred - not a Serbian market or middle age man market.
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What is "street cred"?
Does Kaepernick have street cred? BTW, CK is only half a year younger than Djokovic. And far, far, far less great.
 
Novak tried to get a visa with a medical exemption for the vaccine requirement. The problem for him is that he was very public about not being vaxxed for ideological reasons. It made the whole medical exemption look pretextual. A faked doctor's note. It worked initially to obtain the visa, but when he arrived, the documentation didn't pass muster with the agent at the airport. Once they started digging into the application, they realized that if they had applied Australian law properly (and Novak had properly said that his reasons for not being vaccinated were ideological and not medical) they would have never issued the visa in the first place. To be clear, without Novak being a high profile athlete who was publicly anti-vax, he probably would not have had these problems.

He lied on his visa application, he got caught, and he got deported. The fact that he fought what was always going to be a losing battle, got him the 3 year ban. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

As for getting Covid in December? He would have had to file for his visa long before that. He used that as a justification for why he should be allowed to stay, but that didn't have any bearing on his visa application.

Tennis Australia doesn't get away scott free here. They didn't want to have the tough conversation with Novak about getting vaccinated and were not forthright with him. They knew why he hadn't been vaxxed. Novak has every right to be seriously angry with them for giving him the false impression that he would be fine with his faked doctor's note. Also, what other country leaves issuance of visas to its individual state/province? Australian Federalism also played a role in this debacle.

Whether of not Lacoste can cancel his deal is bound by the terms of its contract with him, but if Novak is facing a 3 year ban from entering Australia (and being ineligible for 1/4 of the Grand Slam calendar), that would materially affects the benefits Lacoste recieves from him wearing their clothing, and could be grounds for terminating the deal. It's going to be down to what's in the document, and none of us know that.
 
travelbuddha said:
Novak tried to get a visa with a medical exemption for the vaccine requirement. The problem for him is that he was very public about not being vaxxed for ideological reasons. It made the whole medical exemption look pretextual. A faked doctor's note. It worked initially to obtain the visa, but when he arrived, the documentation didn't pass muster with the agent at the airport. Once they started digging into the application, they realized that if they had applied Australian law properly (and Novak had properly said that his reasons for not being vaccinated were ideological and not medical) they would have never issued the visa in the first place. To be clear, without Novak being a high profile athlete who was publicly anti-vax, he probably would not have had these problems.

He lied on his visa application, he got caught, and he got deported. The fact that he fought what was always going to be a losing battle, got him the 3 year ban. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

As for getting Covid in December? He would have had to file for his visa long before that. He used that as a justification for why he should be allowed to stay, but that didn't have any bearing on his visa application.

Tennis Australia doesn't get away scott free here. They didn't want to have the tough conversation with Novak about getting vaccinated and were not forthright with him. They knew why he hadn't been vaxxed. Novak has every right to be seriously angry with them for giving him the false impression that he would be fine with his faked doctor's note. Also, what other country leaves issuance of visas to its individual state/province? Australian Federalism also played a role in this debacle.

Whether of not Lacoste can cancel his deal is bound by the terms of its contract with him, but if Novak is facing a 3 year ban from entering Australia (and being ineligible for 1/4 of the Grand Slam calendar), that would materially affects the benefits Lacoste recieves from him wearing their clothing, and could be grounds for terminating the deal. It's going to be down to what's in the document, and none of us know that.
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Load of nonsense.
 
ryushen21 said:
As it should be. Companies shouldn't sponsor a terrible person just because they are good at a sport. He should lose it all.
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ryushen21 said:
Last time I checked, I hadn't tried to defraud companies or governments by blatantly lying about my condition and conspiring to falsify medical records. So, I think I'm ok.
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Arak said:
It’s clear that his position is untenable. He needs to vaccinate if he wants to keep on playing. I sympathise with his pro-choice stance but one has to be realistic and pragmatic in life.
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Exactly and when the emperor calls for first night rights, you hand your bride over too. Gotta be pragmatic after all. Never worth standing your own ground. Never.
 
colan5934 said:
The point of a vaccine is to prepare your body's immune system to fight off the infection more effectively when you're exposed to it for real...not to prevent you from coming into contact with it at all. You're still going to get it, especially when it's everywhere like Omicron is, but your likelihood of serious complications is significantly lower. If you're immune enough, you won't exhibit symptoms that impair you. You still get exposed to the virus...your body can just fight it off faster now. And it gets better every time. Like how when a young player bursts onto the tour (Raducanu/Fernandez?) and after that initial run, people start to figure their games out, and they are much more beatable because the opponent has a gameplan against them. The vaccine helps your body build that gameplan. And each time we can see that new player compete (each time we see the virus again), we can see their weaknesses again and play against them even more effectively. It takes time and won't happen immediately. And for the threat to disappear, we need lots of people with immunity. It gets hairy when the virus has serious complications and spreads rapidly - even a few bad cases overwhelm healthcare infrastructure, and then we have a situation on our hands like we have right now. It's an uphill battle, but vaccines make the grade more tolerable - and eventually pretty flat - if we have a lot of people on board. Your decision to get vaxxed (and boosted it sounds like) does help and does matter...the caveat is that we need lots more people on board.
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That still doesn’t explain why I should be forced to take it for YOUR health.

why should we not make healthy diet and exercise compulsory? That benefits immune system and greatly relieves pressure on an overwhelmed medical system. Oh, because pharmaceutical companies dont make billions of dollars. Got it.
 
Curtennis said:
That still doesn’t explain why I should be forced to take it for YOUR health.

why should we not make healthy diet and exercise compulsory? That benefits immune system and greatly relieves pressure on an overwhelmed medical system. Oh, because pharmaceutical companies dont make billions of dollars. Got it.
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To be clear, I don't think you should be forced to take it. I hold the philosophy that it's my duty to do what I can to protect those around me in this situation, even if I'm not at risk for serious complications. There's negligible risk to me, and the vaccine is easily accessible. Taking it protects me and the people around me. Even if it's something smaller like my friend who lost 10 days of paid leave that could have been used for a vacation or a nice little end of year payout. I want to prevent that as much as somebody ending up on a ventilator and dying. People's livelihoods get protected too. If you don't share that ideology a little bit, that's your prerogative. But there's probably not a lot of merit in discussing the issue with you further.

It's disappointing that so many people are vehemently resistant to something scientifically proven to help reduce the burden of this pandemic for everybody. Makes it easy to lose faith when people have to be told or forced to protect themselves and their neighbors. I wasn't alive for the introduction of older vaccines like polio, MMR, etc., but I was for chicken pox. It was one of those things where just about everybody had their kids get the vaccines as directed without complaint...now we hardly see it anymore, and the complications of it later in life - Shingles/Zoster - should disappear as the generations proceed.

Not that pharmaceutical companies making billions of profit off of a public health need is right. It's not. But, your exercise argument isn't really that relevant here. Exercise is great for you, surely. But the flaw is that exercise requires consistent, sustainable effort over long periods of time to see benefits. It has to be maintained too, or the benefits wane. It's also not a cure-all and won't prevent illness from something our bodies have never seen before. It takes an hour or so of your day to go get a (safe and free) jab in your arm. Many employers are offering paid time or a small stipend to go to the appointments. Public return on investment is significantly more apparent more quickly for a good majority of people getting vaccinated as opposed to picking up an exercise habit. So, the public benefit is huge and the means is more achievable in the short term.

You should be able to choose to get the vaccine or not. I'm just disappointed more folks aren't choosing to do it.
 
colan5934 said:
Not that pharmaceutical companies making billions of profit off of a public health need is right. It's not. But, your exercise argument isn't really that relevant here. Exercise is great for you, surely. But the flaw is that exercise requires consistent, sustainable effort over long periods of time to see benefits. It has to be maintained too, or the benefits wane.
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Don't you see the problem? Maybe governments should be advocating for lifestyle changes, maybe we should be talking about living healthier, better lifestyles on a daily basis. But no, not once did I hear our Chief Infectious Disease Officer (or whatever his exact title is) advocate a cleaner diet or a sustainable exercise plan. The only thing I heard is a quick fix sponsored by Pfizer, Moderna and JJ.
When there's billions of dollars to be made, I think a certain level of skepticism isn't only acceptable, I think it's perfectly normal. Especially when tried and true methods are being ridiculed. Joe Rogan took horse dewormer and recommends a spending time in the harmful UV ray ridden sun! The media and government officials are clearly lying to our face, or at least leaving out some very important things that could help.
 
Curtennis said:
Don't you see the problem? Maybe governments should be advocating for lifestyle changes, maybe we should be talking about living healthier, better lifestyles on a daily basis. But no, not once did I hear our Chief Infectious Disease Officer (or whatever his exact title is) advocate a cleaner diet or a sustainable exercise plan. The only thing I heard is a quick fix sponsored by Pfizer, Moderna and JJ.
When there's billions of dollars to be made, I think a certain level of skepticism isn't only acceptable, I think it's perfectly normal. Especially when tried and true methods are being ridiculed. Joe Rogan took horse dewormer and recommends a spending time in the harmful UV ray ridden sun! The media and government officials are clearly lying to our face, or at least leaving out some very important things that could help.
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Because enforcing or tracking vaccine efforts is 110x easier than telling millions of people to change their lifestyle.... even though its 100x easier we are seeing how tough it is with some people. Its all about whats a practical solution for the most amount of people... free shots was supposed to be easy... yet here we are 2 years later. SMDH
 
Curtennis said:
Don't you see the problem? Maybe governments should be advocating for lifestyle changes, maybe we should be talking about living healthier, better lifestyles on a daily basis. But no, not once did I hear our Chief Infectious Disease Officer (or whatever his exact title is) advocate a cleaner diet or a sustainable exercise plan. The only thing I heard is a quick fix sponsored by Pfizer, Moderna and JJ.
When there's billions of dollars to be made, I think a certain level of skepticism isn't only acceptable, I think it's perfectly normal. Especially when tried and true methods are being ridiculed. Joe Rogan took horse dewormer and recommends a spending time in the harmful UV ray ridden sun! The media and government officials are clearly lying to our face, or at least leaving out some very important things that could help.
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Not sure you read my whole post...exercise can't fix the problem immediately. As great as it is, it's not even going to be a proverbial bandaid on this stab wound we're facing. We gotta stop the bleeding sooner rather than later. Not disagreeing with you that a healthier population would lead to less illness. Obesity is the primary contributor to health decline, chronic conditions, and increased monetary strain on healthcare infrastructure, but we can't magically stop a pandemic by telling people to exercise - a lot of them just won't. And our bodies will still react to a virus we've never seen before even if we're the pinnacle of health. Vaccines are proven to work and work quickly as long as enough of the population gets them - the money exploits of the pharmaceutical industry is frankly just because of greed, not some conspiracy theory. If this isn't making sense to you AND you're curious, I'd happily suggest some resources to expand your knowledge on the subject. If not, feel free to continue ranting with gaps in your logic.
 
MilanA said:
The vax is not safe and defintely not free. You pay for it, just not directly from your wallet, but from the taxes you pay. For me, as a healthy person, the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid so I don't want it. And if the vaccine doesn't help me...I don't need it.
Regarding your position to take the vaxx to prevent spreading...bad news for you...you said it yourself...it doesn't help a bit. Vaccined people can get it and spread it the same as unvaccined people. But....vaccined people spread it more, because they run around untested and spread the disease like wildfire. Tested people stay at hemo when tested positive. The only mandatory thing should be testing if anything. And now with omicron around, there are more vaccinated people positive than unvaccinated. It really amuses me in some way.
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Too many hasty generalizations here, bud. I suggest you read up on science when you're skeptical rather than just doubting every headline scrolling across the new screen.
 
MilanA said:
The vax is not safe and defintely not free. You pay for it, just not directly from your wallet, but from the taxes you pay. For me, as a healthy person, the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid so I don't want it. And if the vaccine doesn't help me...I don't need it.
Regarding your position to take the vaxx to prevent spreading...bad news for you...you said it yourself...it doesn't help a bit. Vaccined people can get it and spread it the same as unvaccined people. But....vaccined people spread it more, because they run around untested and spread the disease like wildfire. Tested people stay at hemo when tested positive. The only mandatory thing should be testing if anything. And now with omicron around, there are more vaccinated people positive than unvaccinated. It really amuses me in some way.
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Vaccinated people transmission is 60% less + chance of death is 20 times more for unvaccinated - this is official medical research. But of course believe what you want.
 
MilanA said:
The vax is not safe and defintely not free. You pay for it, just not directly from your wallet, but from the taxes you pay. For me, as a healthy person, the vaccine is more dangerous than the covid so I don't want it. And if the vaccine doesn't help me...I don't need it.
Regarding your position to take the vaxx to prevent spreading...bad news for you...you said it yourself...it doesn't help a bit. Vaccined people can get it and spread it the same as unvaccined people. But....vaccined people spread it more, because they run around untested and spread the disease like wildfire. Tested people stay at hemo when tested positive. The only mandatory thing should be testing if anything. And now with omicron around, there are more vaccinated people positive than unvaccinated. It really amuses me in some way.
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Tell me you're a science denier without telling me you're a science denier. Also, the word is vaccinated or unvaccinated.
 
fox said:
Vaccinated people transmission is 60% less + chance of death is 20 times more for unvaccinated - this is official medical research. But of course believe what you want.
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60% less of transmitting it to someone else? 60% less of catching it from someone else? Does it matter if they’re vaccinated or not?
60% less forever after the second shot? After the booster? 6 months later?

you’re just making up stats
 
Curtennis said:
60% less of transmitting it to someone else? 60% less of catching it from someone else? Does it matter if they’re vaccinated or not?
60% less forever after the second shot? After the booster? 6 months later?

you’re just making up stats
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As I mentioned, you can believe what you want. This is just from latest medical journals. I am not a scientist and won’t pretend I am one explaining things that are accessible in 5 seconds via Google.
 
threehandedbackhand said:
Sasa Ozmo is delivering some information about the other sponsors:
Raiffeisen Bank International
and
Hublot

https://twitter.com/x/status/1483484419780452367
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Aha, so in a few weeks Hublot will be sponsoring Medvedev!

honestly…. I don’t believe Lacoste is selling one less shirt due to Djokovic’s current situation. Throwing him under the bus will have a huge fall out though. Better to sit tight, tone down promotion and wait it out.
 
norcal said:
You have a source for that one, 'new user'?

And don't say Joe Rogan.
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The "new user", who feels safer without inoculating, is only sharing his views perhaps based on his experiences. Discouraging newcomers providing their observations that do not bode with the trend seems common nowadays. How likely is it that websites are willing to keep sources which point to poor performance of the vaccine, to healthy ones' antibodies without jabs, or harmful side-effects from it?
 
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I think that Lacoste is under the pressure not only from the mainstream media but also from its investors and local politicians to act. In light of the findings that Novak may have spent the majority of his earnings in the biotech company that works on coronavirus drug which is to be a competitor to the vaccine producers, there most likely is an enormous amount of influence from the powers.
 
norcal said:
You have a source for that one, 'new user'?

And don't say Joe Rogan.
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Sure...myself and my family. We all had covid and only my wife is vaccinated. 1st she had serious side effects and when she got covid, she was 5 weeks in sick leave. I had 3 days of light feaver. Children (16 and 10), didn't have symptoms. They were only tested positive. So...I'm my own source out of personal experience. And no...i'm not "antivaxxer", just don't see the point to get the vaccine against covid. And now that's going endemic is even more stupid to force people to get vaccinated.
 
MilanA said:
Sure...myself and my family. We all had covid and only my wife is vaccinated. 1st she had serious side effects and when she got covid, she was 5 weeks in sick leave. I had 3 days of light feaver. Children (16 and 10), didn't have symptoms. They were only tested positive. So...I'm my own source out of personal experience. And no...i'm not "antivaxxer", just don't see the point to get the vaccine against covid. And now that's going endemic is even more stupid to force people to get vaccinated.
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:facepalm:
 
MilanA said:
Sure...myself and my family. We all had covid and only my wife is vaccinated. 1st she had serious side effects and when she got covid, she was 5 weeks in sick leave. I had 3 days of light feaver. Children (16 and 10), didn't have symptoms. They were only tested positive. So...I'm my own source out of personal experience. And no...i'm not "antivaxxer", just don't see the point to get the vaccine against covid. And now that's going endemic is even more stupid to force people to get vaccinated.
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I don't know; I read it with a hillbilly accent and my family had a good laugh - who's to say minute anecdotal experience shouldn't outweigh the collective knowledge and evidence based conclusions of impeccably trained professionals worldwide?
(My three vaccinations dun gave me duh feaver 2, every taym.)
 
Whichever way you look at it Djokovic is a really poor role model for a tennis world number 1. His oncourt behavior is very substandard, smashing rackets, arguing with umpires, getting disqualified from the US Open and he follows this up with questionable off court behaviour. Rumors of affairs, hiring of Pepe, running a flawed tournament in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, which resulted in many people getting infected, lying on his Visa, out in public whilst having Covid, the list goes on. Rafa and Fed and Barty look like saints in comparison.
 
colan5934 said:
So, it's NOT that vaccines don't work. It's that Covid-19 is a robust jerk who gets up and adapts every time you knock him down.
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As well as people who volunteer their own bodies (and those of everyone they come into contact with) as mutation factories.
 
GregN said:
Whichever way you look at it Djokovic is a really poor role model for a tennis world number 1. His oncourt behavior is very substandard, smashing rackets, arguing with umpires, getting disqualified from the US Open and he follows this up with questionable off court behaviour. Rumors of affairs, hiring of Pepe, running a flawed tournament in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, which resulted in many people getting infected, lying on his Visa, out in public whilst having Covid, the list goes on. Rafa and Fed and Barty look like saints in comparison.
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Clueless post.
 
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