Djokovic 11 slams W18-RG23 vs Federer 11 slams AO04-USO07

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DJOKOVIC

AO:
AO19 - Nadal (2), Nishikori (8), Medvedev (15), Shapovalov (25), Pouille (28)
W19 - Federer (2), Goffin (21), Bautista Agut (23) plus Hurkacz
AO20 - Federer (3), Thiem (5), Schwartzman (14), Raonic (32)
AO21 - Medvedev (4), Zverev (6), Raonic (14), Fritz (27)
AO23 - Tsitsipas (3), Rublev (5), De Minaur (22), Dimitrov (27)

RG:
RG21 - Nadal (3), Tstisipas (5), Berrettini (9)
RG23 - Alcaraz (1), Ruud (4), Khachanov (11), Davidovich-Fokina (29)

W:
W18 - Nadal (2), Anderson (8), Edmund (21), Nishikori (24) plus Khachanov
W21 - Berrettini (7), Shapovalov (10), Garin (17)
W22 - Norrie (9), Sinner (10), Kecmanovic (25) plus Kyrgios

USO:
USO18 - Del Potro (3), Nishikori (21), Gasquet (26) plus Millman who def. Federer

FEDERER

AO:
AO04 - Ferrero (3), Nalbandian (8), Hewitt (15) plus Safin
AO06 - Davydenko (5), Kiefer (21) plus Baghdatis
AO07 - Roddick (6), Robredo (7), Gonzalez (10), Djokovic (14), Youzhny (25)

RG:

W:
W04 - Roddick (2), Hewitt (7), Grosjean (10)
W05 - Roddick (2), Hewitt (3), Gonzalez (21), Ferrero (23), Kiefer (25)
W06 - Nadal (2), Ancic (7), Berdych (13)
W07 - Nadal (2), Gasquet (12), Haas (13), Ferrero (20), Safin (26)

USO:
USO04 - Hewitt (4), Henman (5), Agassi (6), Santoro (31)
USO05 - Hewitt (3), Agassi (7), Nalbandian (11)
USO06 - Blake (5), Davydenko (7), Roddick (9)
USO07 - Djokovic (3), Davydenko (4), Roddick (5)

Pretty similar in terms of rankings.
But developed GOAT contender plus RG God Nadal, developed GOAT contender Federer, inform Alcaraz, Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev, Del Potro, even Berrettini, Kyrgios on their best surfaces
and achieved CGS
vs
young GOAT contender Nadal, Roddick and Hewitt

Relative Difficulty of Grand Slam Titles - Ultimate Tennis Statistics

Djokovic AO19 - 1.109
Djokovic W18 - 1.102
Djokovic RG21 - 1.086
Federer W06 - 1.078
Djokovic AO20 - 1.071
Federer W05 - 1.055
Federer USO05 - 1.053
Djokovic W19 - 1.046
Djokovic AO21 - 1.023
Djokovic USO18 - 0.991
Djokovic RG23 - 0.965
Djokovic AO23 - 0.947
Djokovic W22 - 0.895
Djokovic W21 - 0.880

Unable to gather the other 8 slams for Federer but you can use your imagination.

Discuss!
 
This is an interesting comparison. While you made the timeline one year longer for Djokovic, which would usually mean 4 more Slams, it's actually only one more Slam because of the two bans and because of Wimbledon 2020 not being played. Adding the 2020 USO DQ (which was his own fault though), both players won the same number of Slams in the same number of (regular) tries.
 
Kralingen said:
Very equal performance levels, very equal results, very equal opponents.

Agreed upon by all objective tennis observers.
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I don’t think so. Federer from 04-07 would crush 18-23 Djokovic. Especially at Wimbledon and USO. RG maybe a chance for Djokovic but I’d still pick Federer
 
Razer said:
no he wouldnt...his weak backhand would be targeted by djokovic
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Djokovic cannot attack young Feds backhand like Nadal did. Young Fed would just use slice and run around his backhand to hit inside out forehands. Old Fed couldn't play like this and his running forehand sucked so it was so easy for Djokovic to attack that side after pinning Fed on the backhand side.
 
robthai said:
Djokovic cannot attack young Feds backhand like Nadal did. Young Fed would just use slice and run around his backhand to hit inside out forehands. Old Fed couldn't play like this and his running forehand sucked so it was so easy for Djokovic to attack that side after pinning Fed on the backhand side.
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Djkokovic in early-middish 30s had more or same stamina that Federer had in his peak, he can win over Fed in long matches. You are saying he would run around the backhand to hit inside out forehands but this might not always happen, like I said, Old Agassi stretched peak Federer to 5 sets and if that can happen then Novak can also go 5 and win as well since he is a far better player than Agassi.
 
Razer said:
Djkokovic in early-middish 30s had more or same stamina that Federer had in his peak, he can win over Fed in long matches. You are saying he would run around the backhand to hit inside out forehands but this might not always happen, like I said, Old Agassi stretched peak Federer to 5 sets and if that can happen then Novak can also go 5 and win as well since he is a far better player than Agassi.
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Seeing how Fed has had some epic 5 sets against Nadal such as Rome 06 and Wimbledon 07, I am sure a young Fed would be fine against Old Djokovic in regards to stamina. Even old Fed had match points in 2019 Wimbledon final. Nadal forehand is much more effective than any right handed backhand. Also in regards to Old Agassi, The US Open surface was faster when Fed played Agassi and we know how Djokovic is not as good on those faster surfaces. I also recall that match was heavily affected by wind. Surface plus windy conditions against peak Fed would not bode well for Djokovic. The surface speeds back then were more similar to Dubai, Shanghai and Cincinnati. We know what the Djokovic Federer h2h is at those tournaments and this was when Federer was already past his peak.
 
Kralingen said:
Very equal performance levels, very equal results, very equal opponents.

Agreed upon by all objective tennis observers.
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Equal opponent. Next Gen mugs like berrettini,Kyrgios,Norrie,Zverev,Rublev,Tsitsipas can never be above even Grandpa Agassi forget about Roddick,Hewitt,Safin,Ferrero.

Even Nalbandian,davydenko,berdych would have been multislam winners in this mug era.
 
Razer said:
Djkokovic in early-middish 30s had more or same stamina that Federer had in his peak, he can win over Fed in long matches. You are saying he would run around the backhand to hit inside out forehands but this might not always happen, like I said, Old Agassi stretched peak Federer to 5 sets and if that can happen then Novak can also go 5 and win as well since he is a far better player than Agassi.
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Here comes career inflation era advocate to defend his client. 38 year old went toe to toe and outplayed your idol in 2019 Final for most of the time. If someone hobbled around the court and gasping for breath it is your idol not Fed.

Fed never quit a match when he was down and struggling like your so called stamina king retired mid match to save his ass and we have many GOAT matches because of his fight back skills even though he ended up losing

2008 Wimbledon Final
2009 AO Final
2006 Rome Final
2014 Wimbledon Final
2019 Wimbledon Final
 
Oceans II said:
DJOKOVIC

AO:
AO19 - Nadal (2), Nishikori (8), Medvedev (15), Shapovalov (25), Pouille (28)
W19 - Federer (2), Goffin (21), Bautista Agut (23) plus Hurkacz
AO20 - Federer (3), Thiem (5), Schwartzman (14), Raonic (32)
AO21 - Medvedev (4), Zverev (6), Raonic (14), Fritz (27)
AO23 - Tsitsipas (3), Rublev (5), De Minaur (22), Dimitrov (27)

RG:
RG21 - Nadal (3), Tstisipas (5), Berrettini (9)
RG23 - Alcaraz (1), Ruud (4), Khachanov (11), Davidovich-Fokina (29)

W:
W18 - Nadal (2), Anderson (8), Edmund (21), Nishikori (24) plus Khachanov
W21 - Berrettini (7), Shapovalov (10), Garin (17)
W22 - Norrie (9), Sinner (10), Kecmanovic (25) plus Kyrgios

USO:
USO18 - Del Potro (3), Nishikori (21), Gasquet (26) plus Millman who def. Federer

FEDERER

AO:
AO04 - Ferrero (3), Nalbandian (8), Hewitt (15) plus Safin
AO06 - Davydenko (5), Kiefer (21) plus Baghdatis
AO07 - Roddick (6), Robredo (7), Gonzalez (10), Djokovic (14), Youzhny (25)

RG:

W:
W04 - Roddick (2), Hewitt (7), Grosjean (10)
W05 - Roddick (2), Hewitt (3), Gonzalez (21), Ferrero (23), Kiefer (25)
W06 - Nadal (2), Ancic (7), Berdych (13)
W07 - Nadal (2), Gasquet (12), Haas (13), Ferrero (20), Safin (26)

USO:
USO04 - Hewitt (4), Henman (5), Agassi (6), Santoro (31)
USO05 - Hewitt (3), Agassi (7), Nalbandian (11)
USO06 - Blake (5), Davydenko (7), Roddick (9)
USO07 - Djokovic (3), Davydenko (4), Roddick (5)

Pretty similar in terms of rankings.
But developed GOAT contender plus RG God Nadal, developed GOAT contender Federer, inform Alcaraz, Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev, Del Potro, even Berrettini, Kyrgios on their best surfaces
and achieved CGS
vs
young GOAT contender Nadal, Roddick and Hewitt

Relative Difficulty of Grand Slam Titles - Ultimate Tennis Statistics

Djokovic AO19 - 1.109
Djokovic W18 - 1.102
Djokovic RG21 - 1.086
Federer W06 - 1.078
Djokovic AO20 - 1.071
Federer W05 - 1.055
Federer USO05 - 1.053
Djokovic W19 - 1.046
Djokovic AO21 - 1.023
Djokovic USO18 - 0.991
Djokovic RG23 - 0.965
Djokovic AO23 - 0.947
Djokovic W22 - 0.895
Djokovic W21 - 0.880

Unable to gather the other 8 slams for Federer but you can use your imagination.

Discuss!
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Nadal from 2019 wasn't a big threat in AO or wimbledon.

Rank of Next Gen mugs doesn't display their caliber.
 
robthai said:
Seeing how Fed has had some epic 5 sets against Nadal such as Rome 06 and Wimbledon 07, I am sure a young Fed would be fine against Old Djokovic in regards to stamina. Even old Fed had match points in 2019 Wimbledon final. Nadal forehand is much more effective than any right handed backhand. Also in regards to Old Agassi, The US Open surface was faster when Fed played Agassi and we know how Djokovic is not as good on those faster surfaces. I also recall that match was heavily affected by wind. Surface plus windy conditions against peak Fed would not bode well for Djokovic. The surface speeds back then were more similar to Dubai, Shanghai and Cincinnati. We know what the Djokovic Federer h2h is at those tournaments and this was when Federer was already past his peak.
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You really don’t understand how much Djokovic improved as a tennis player. He’s as complete as it gets. Even prime Fed would struggle to hit through him over 5 sets
 
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MichaelNadal said:
Confirmation that Novak’s last 3 slams were weak :D
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MichaelNadal said:
Don’t make me quote yalls posts from the match thread lol you’ll be logging out with the QUICKNESS :D
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It’s funny how with your Nadal fans logic, when he beats these players it’s great and epic to overcome a tough young player but when Novak beats them he’s the greatest mug ever.

They played the same players and in same era so you got no argument on weaker draws buddy.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It’s funny how with Nadal fans logic, when he beats these players it’s great and epic to overcome a tough young player but when Novak beats them he’s the greatest mug ever.

They played the same players and in same era so you got no argument on weaker draws buddy.
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Please tell me how Novak’s last 3 slams were impressive lol, not a single ultronian has even said anything about them or posted match highlights from any of them, I wonder why :unsure:
 
MichaelNadal said:
Please tell me how Novak’s last 3 slams were impressive lol, not a single ultronian has even said anything about them or posted match highlights from any of them, I wonder why :unsure:
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It was the same field for both! Lol. Except novak didn’t face Rafa at RG23 and Rafa didn’t face Novak at AO22.

They both took advantage of the situation at each slam. Everything else has been the same.

Nadal was also in the draw for 2 of novaks last 3 slam wins. Not Novak’s fault if wasn’t able to make it to him.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It was the same field for both! Lol. Except novak didn’t face Rafa at RG23 and Rafa didn’t face Novak at AO22.

They both took advantage of the situation at each slam. Everything else has been the same.
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Form varies lol stop being obtuse.
Djokovic had 1 slam at the beginning of 2011, Nadal and Federer had already been having dragonball z battles for 6 years. Novak is simply reaping the benefits of being the last man standing, which he was always going to be.
 
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