Djokovic 12 AO vs Federer 12 AO

[RS]

Probably not again. AO was never one of Roddick's best slams.

Roddick Wim 04/09 vs Nadal Wim 06/11 10 matches?

 

[RS]

Who played at a higher level over the whole slam?

1. Federer RG 11 or Roddick USO 03
2. Nadal USO 11 or Federer AO 12
3. Roddick AO 04 or Murray AO 13
4. Del Potro RG 09 or Federer Wim 17
5. Hewitt USO 05 or Murray Wim 16
6. Federer RG 10 or Murray Wim 12
7. Gonzo AO 07 or Roddick AO 04

 

[Kralingen]

Who played at a higher level over the whole slam?

1. Federer RG 11 or Roddick USO 03
2. Nadal USO 11 or Federer AO 12
3. Roddick AO 04 or Murray AO 13
4. Del Potro RG 09 or Federer Wim 17
5. Hewitt USO 05 or Murray Wim 16
6. Federer RG 10 or Murray Wim 12
7. Gonzo AO 07 or Roddick AO 04

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[Third Serve]

Fed
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Andy
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Gonzy

umm

 

[Noleberic123]

the difference is significant here.
Nadal needs to be somewhere close to fed's level for mental issues to factor in. people under-estimate or forget that.

before AO 12 and after AO 12, fed thrashed nadal at YEC 11 and beat him convincingly at IW 12.

RG 11 later rounds and AO 12, fed/nadal were at same ballpark levels (ditto for WIm 07/08 and AO 09)

Yeah but slams are a different story.

 

[NatF]

Who played at a higher level over the whole slam?

1. Federer RG 11 or Roddick USO 03
2. Nadal USO 11 or Federer AO 12
3. Roddick AO 04 or Murray AO 13
4. Del Potro RG 09 or Federer Wim 17
5. Hewitt USO 05 or Murray Wim 16
6. Federer RG 10 or Murray Wim 12
7. Gonzo AO 07 or Roddick AO 04

 

[Noleberic123]

He didn't, but they also didn't play in conditions that favored Fed's game. It's like Nadal never having to face Djokovic at RG to get back some confidence.

That's true. That's why Nadal doesn't play Djokovic outside of clay lol

 

[mike danny]

Roddick Wim 04/09 vs Nadal Wim 06/11 10 matches?

Roddick would get 2-3 wins.

 

[abmk]

Yeah but slams are a different story.

this applies for slams as well pretty much

"Nadal needs to be somewhere close to fed's level for mental issues to factor in. people under-estimate or forget that."

I think its an insult to both fed and nadal to just say mental, when nadal has to play at a high level/somewhere close to fed for it to even come into play. it puts down fed mentally and nadal's efforts.

 

[NatF]

Roddick would get 2-3 wins.

lol

 

[RS]

lol

How do you see it going then?

 

[NatF]

How do you see it going then?

2004/2009 Arod vs 2006/2011 Nadal? Arod wins the majority.

 

[RS]

2004/2009 Arod vs 2006/2011 Nadal? Arod wins the majority.

Yeah I gathered but like what 6-4 or 7-3?

 

[NatF]

Yeah I gathered but like what 6-4 or 7-3?

6-4. After the Wimbledon 2006 final Federer still said 2004 Roddick was the toughest opponent he'd faced there.

 

[RS]

6-4. After the Wimbledon 2006 final Federer still said 2004 Roddick was the toughest opponent he'd faced there.

Hewitt YEC 01 final/YEC 04 SF vs Nadal YEC 10/13 SF's 10 matches?

 

[NatF]

Hewitt YEC 01 final/YEC 04 SF vs Nadal YEC 10/13 SF's 10 matches?

Good matches

 

[RS]

lol

 

[RS]

Good matches

5-5?

 

[NatF]

lol

5-5?

Hewitt embarassed a better Roddick than the one that gave Nadal tons of trouble in 2010

 

[RS]

Hewitt embarassed a better Roddick than the one that gave Nadal tons of trouble in 2010

Must be at least 6-4 then for you then

 

[NatF]

Must be at least 6-4 then for you then

I don't know. Just messing with you lol.

 

[RS]

I don't know. Just messing with you lol.

Not a very exciting matchup anyway because of one player called Hew

 

[NatF]

Not a very exciting matchup anyway because of one player called Hew

Poor bait, everyone knows Hewitt has been involved in some absolute epics.

 

[RS]

Poor bait, everyone knows Hewitt has been involved in some absolute epics.

Yeah Hewitt has been involved in some decent scraps.

 

[The Guru]

A set yeah. He probably wins the first since Djokovic would be trying to find his feet after the Murray epic.

But he definitely doesn't go 6 hours with Djokovic. It would be over in 4. Even in this era there's a difference between 25.5 (Nadal) and 30.5 (Fed) at the highest level.

Nah Fed could win. He's just the underdog. People say all this **** like it's 100% one guy or the other. What we really should be saying is like oh Novak would have an 80% chance or whatever. That's a made up number.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I didn't fancy Federer much in 2012. Maybe it's just the Nadal defeat leaving the memory of it being a disgusting Federer tournament.

Have to put my savings on Djokovic here.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

No chance against that Djokovic on that very slow court.

Would have been interesting to actually watch 2012 Fed play Nadal and Djokovic on the 2017 surface though

2017 Fed would have had a very big chance against either on the faster surface.

 

[The Guru]

Yep, he definitely was. I still see him losing just because of his mental weakness even if he goes up 2-0 in sets. Kinda like how he lost to Fed in 2009.

And I dare anyone to show me a Next Gen performance close to this one from Berdych.

Next Gen have been particularly rough at the AO. Zed AO 20/21 prolly the best but Bird is better.

 

[The Guru]

This was hardly ever true until 2017

2016 AO was clearly faster too imo. 15 and earlier USO was faster.

 

[RS]

Next Gen have been particularly rough at the AO. Zed AO 20/21 prolly the best but Bird is better.

Berdych AO 12 or Thiem AO 20? Let's say both QF matches.

 

[mike danny]

2017 Fed would have had a very big chance against either on the faster surface.

Against their 2012 selves? No chance. Age would be too much of a factor even on a faster court.

 

[The Guru]

Berdych AO 12 or Thiem AO 20? Let's say both QF matches.

Would be a fun one. Kinda depends on the court speed because I think Thiem would love the AO 12 conditions. You can't trust either guy mentally and it would be close enough that mental would be a big part. My gut says Berdych but not very confidently.

 

[NatF]

Djokovic had quite a few dips at the AO in 2012 but on that slow af court I'm not sure Fed at that stage in his career would be able to maintain the intensity long enough to capitalise.

 

[RS]

Who played a higher level?

1. Hewitt AO 05 final or Roddick USO 07 QF
2. Roddick Wim 09 final or Djokovic AO 15 final
3. Roddick USO 07 QF or Federer AO 17 final
4. Safin AO 05 final or Hewitt USO 01 final
5. Roddick AO 05 SF or Djokovic RG 08 SF
6. Djokovic RG 08 SF or Federer RG 11 final
7. Ferrero RG 03 final or Wawrinka RG 15 final
8. Hewitt Wim 04 QF or Nadal USO 11 final
9. Murray Wim 09 SF or Nadal Wim 11 final

 

[Noleberic123]

Djokovic had quite a few dips at the AO in 2012 but on that slow af court I'm not sure Fed at that stage in his career would be able to maintain the intensity long enough to capitalise.

Looking back, Federer wasn't that old back then

 

[RS]

Would be a fun one. Kinda depends on the court speed because I think Thiem would love the AO 12 conditions. You can't trust either guy mentally and it would be close enough that mental would be a big part. My gut says Berdych but not very confidently.

Hewitt Wim 02 vs Fed Wim 15?

 

[Noleberic123]

Hewitt Wim 02 vs Fed Wim 15?

Seriously?

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Against their 2012 selves? No chance. Age would be too much of a factor even on a faster court.

Good point. Still I feel 2017 Fed was arguably his best level in Australia maybe since 2010. He hit his BH really well that year. Maybe not at Australia then but certainly Wimbledon or us open Fed would have been the favourite the way he played that year.

 

[RS]

Seriously?

Yh

 

[Noleberic123]

Yh

Federer in straights

 

[NatF]

Looking back, Federer wasn't that old back then

He was still at a physical disadvantage compared to Djokovic.

 

[Noleberic123]

He was still at a physical disadvantage compared to Djokovic.

That would be true even if they were the same age

 

[RS]

Federer in straights

Hewitt Wim 02 vs Murray Wim 15?

 

[mike danny]

That would be true even if they were the same age

Not really.

 

[NatF]

That would be true even if they were the same age

Hardly and certainly not to the same extent.

 

[mike danny]

Looking back, Federer wasn't that old back then

He wasn't in absolute terms, but compared to mid 20's Djokodal he was.

 

[Noleberic123]

Hardly and certainly not to the same extent.

I've never seen superhuman efforts from Federer like what Djokovic did in 2012 or Nadal in 09.

 

[mike danny]

I've never seen superhuman efforts from Federer like what Djokovic did in 2012 or Nadal in 09.

There are other ways to win. I'd say what he did at Wimb 2009 and AO 2017 was pretty damn impressive too.

 

[RS]

Federer has Rome 06 as a fitness feat I guess.

 

[ForehandCross]

People who watched the matches :

Andy Murray played probably the best match he could and still he lost. Djokovic was monstrous mentally.

Nose played better that Nadal for half the match but one incredible inhumane trademark pass that even the commentators pointed out he should have been covering was enough to remind him that he was playing his daddy .


Djokovic in 4 or 5. Djokovic would be mentally too strong. Nose to have a chance, even Nadal did tbh, something like 30-70.