Djokovic 12 AO vs Federer 12 AO

[NatF]

I've never seen superhuman efforts from Federer like what Djokovic did in 2012 or Nadal in 09.

Fed closed out opponents like Dasco and Murray much easier that's why In terms of recovery Federer wasn't hugely tested in back to back matches, he has had slams where he's played 3-4 days in a row due to scheduling (which he managed fine), but within a single match young Fed could certainly stay with Djokovic physically. Fed is often underrated as an athlete.

 

[RS]

Fed also looked fine in the RG 07 final vs Nadal. That is as physical as it gets.

 

[Herald]

To make it even more laughable, put invincible 2007 Mjolnir wielding Norse GodRoger patron of Beardmen against laughable, "gluten-free" Lolovic who managed to beat Nadal in a miserable 6 hour grindfest "epic". Actually don't. Human compassion dictates otherwise.

 

[Herald]

Fed also looked fine in the RG 07 final vs Nadal. That is as physical as it gets.

So physical there was no need for a 5th set.

 

[RS]

So physical there was no need for a 5th set.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Who would have won in this hypothetical match up?

People forget that Federer was really good in this tournament, I thought that he was the best player in the tournament up until the SF. He was playing than Nadal up until their match , he just had a mental block against him during that period.

I always thought that Federer would have had a decent shot against this version of Djokovic

Djokovic in 4. Federer will have his chances and make it a close contest, but he definitely gets worn out by the time we pass 3 hour mark.

 

[StrongRule]

Yep, he definitely was. I still see him losing just because of his mental weakness even if he goes up 2-0 in sets. Kinda like how he lost to Fed in 2009.

And I dare anyone to show me a Next Gen performance close to this one from Berdych.

Berdych is definitely not a player who should be praised, even compared to the next gen. He lost 17 straight matches to Nadal at some point. Some like to overrate the AO 2012 1/4 final match, but fact is, he still lost in 4 sets.

And don't make me start about his matchup against Djokovic, which is way worse than what we see from the next gen.

 

[Tennfan123]

Federer in four.
Am I right or am I right?

 

[mike danny]

Nah Fed could win. He's just the underdog. People say all this **** like it's 100% one guy or the other. What we really should be saying is like oh Novak would have an 80% chance or whatever. That's a made up number.

I'm giving Federer 0 chances of beating Djokovic there. If Nadal's effort proved to not be enough, don't see what Fed can do.

 

[mike danny]

Berdych is definitely not a player who should be praised, even compared to the next gen. He lost 17 straight matches to Nadal at some point. Some like to overrate the AO 2012 1/4 final match, but fact is, he still lost in 4 sets.

And don't make me start about his matchup against Djokovic, which is way worse than what we see from the next gen.

We're talking about this sole performance in which Berdych played above his paygrade against a difficult match-up. Next Gen haven't shown they can play better than that in a BO5 against Djokodal.

And yeah, Djoker owned Berdych, but that Djokovic would own the Next Gen just like he did Berdych.

 

[RS]

I was tempted to make a Nadal RG 05/06 vs Djokovic RG 11/13 thread should I?

 

[mike danny]

I was tempted to make a Nadal RG 05/06 vs Djokovic RG 11/13 thread should I?

In a vacuum Nadal should win.

 

[RS]

In a vacuum Nadal should win.

I can’t be bothered but i was going to do the 10 matches thing.

 

[mike danny]

I can’t be bothered but i was going to do the 10 matches thing.

I can't see Nadal not coming out on top. Physically he was a beast from the start.

 

[thanovic]

Djokovic in straight sets just like their semifinal match the previous year.

 

[mike danny]

Djokovic in straight sets just like their semifinal match the previous year.

Ehhh, if the epic with Murray still takes place, can't see Djoko win in straights.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

6-4. After the Wimbledon 2006 final Federer still said 2004 Roddick was the toughest opponent he'd faced there.

Link?

Federer in straights

Federer dominated Hewitt when both were at their peak, but then when both started declining Hewitt got a few wins again after losing 15 times in a row. And Hewitt was far more declined than Federer. So a peak Hewitt vs a declined Federer would be a solid match, even if Federer ends up winning. But not in straights. Even peak Federer tend to lose a set in slams vs Hewitt.

 

[NatF]

Link?




Federer dominated Hewitt when both were at their peak, but then when both started declining Hewitt got a few wins again after losing 15 times in a row. And Hewitt was far more declined than Federer. So a peak Hewitt vs a declined Federer would be a solid match, even if Federer ends up winning. But not in straights. Even peak Federer tend to lose a set in slams vs Hewitt.

It was a post match interview with Bud Collins. Will look for it.

 

[RS]

It was a post match interview with Bud Collins. Will look for it.

I think I saw it ages ago on a separate topic.

 

[RS]

Link?




Federer dominated Hewitt when both were at their peak, but then when both started declining Hewitt got a few wins again after losing 15 times in a row. And Hewitt was far more declined than Federer. So a peak Hewitt vs a declined Federer would be a solid match, even if Federer ends up winning. But not in straights. Even peak Federer tend to lose a set in slams vs Hewitt.

If Fed plays the way he did the SF with that serving Hewitt could well be straight setted like Murray was in 2010 and 2015.

On a average grass match it's probably Fed in competitive 4 though.

 

[Nadal_King]

I think more chances of Djokovic winning in 3 than it going the distance

 

[Herald]

6-4. After the Wimbledon 2006 final Federer still said 2004 Roddick was the toughest opponent he'd faced there.

He also said he was at his best in 2015 and 2019.

 

[RS]

He also said he was at his best in 2015 and 2019.

He wasn't

 

[arvind13]

On thread topic: fed would make it close, but ultimately lose I think.

if @abmk himself says 2012 fed would lose against 2012 djokovic at the 2012 AO, then that makes djokovic a 100% lock

 

[ForehandRF]

Federer has Rome 06 as a fitness feat I guess.

Actually this is a good point 5 + hours on clay, the match being played with high intensity.

 

[NatF]

I think I saw it ages ago on a separate topic.

Couldn't find it on a quick search but I definitely saw it.

 

[Roddickulous1]

Link?




Federer dominated Hewitt when both were at their peak, but then when both started declining Hewitt got a few wins again after losing 15 times in a row. And Hewitt was far more declined than Federer. So a peak Hewitt vs a declined Federer would be a solid match, even if Federer ends up winning. But not in straights. Even peak Federer tend to lose a set in slams vs Hewitt.

Go to 33:49 of this vid. Bud Collins asked him if 06 Nadal was his toughest finals opponent at Wimbledon and he said 04 Roddick was the toughest. Feddy admitted he was lucky and Rod would've been up 2-1 if it wasn't for the rain delay.

 

[Herald]

He wasn't

He was trolling

 

[Herald]

Go to 33:49 of this vid. Feddy admitted he was lucky and Rod would've been up 2-1 if it wasn't for the rain delay.

Once again, also said he was peak in 2015 and 2019. Selectively accepting Federer's statements as gospel when we agree with them doesn't make for a convincing argument.

 

[TheNachoMan]

i wish this poll was publicly visible

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Some intimate looking avatars.

 

[Kralingen]

 

[Roddickulous1]

I don't have a source for this but after that interview, Bud Collins also asked Fed to rate 04 Wimb F Roddick and 06 Wimb F Nadal out of 10.

He gave Roddick a 9 and Ned a 7.25 (said it would've been higher if it wasn't for the bagel).

 

[Kralingen]

I don't have a source for this but after that interview, Bud Collins also asked Fed to rate 04 Wimb F Roddick and 06 Wimb F Nadal out of 10.

He gave Roddick a 9 and Ned a 7.25 (said it would've been higher if it wasn't for the bagel).

RS right now

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Once again, also said he was peak in 2015 and 2019. Selectively accepting Federer's statements as gospel when we agree with them doesn't make for a convincing argument.

They're completely different things though, one thing is when he is talking about himself and a different one about opponents. That said, it's pretty clear Roddick 2004 was tougher than Nadal 2006, isn't it? It's like claiming Roddick 2005 was tougher than Nadal 2007, would be pretty ridiculous.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

If Nadal can’t take Nole at the level he showed in the final even the best form level Fed couldn’t. 2012 Djoker level is second only to his 2011 form

 

[ForehandDTL]

Roddick Wim 04/09 vs Nadal Wim 06/11 10 matches?

Roddick 04 vs Nadal Wim 06: 5-5
Roddick 04 vs Nadal Wim 11: 7-3 Roddick
Roddick 09 vs Nadal Wim 06: 7-3 Nadal
Roddick 09 vs Nadal Wim 11: 6-4 Roddick

 

[TheFifthSet]

Similar to the previous year IMO, Fed might sneak a set as he probably should have in ‘08 or ‘11 but I don’t see him sustaining a high level of play long enough to beat Djoko.

 

[Herald]

They're completely different things though, one thing is when he is talking about himself and a different one about opponents. That said, it's pretty clear Roddick 2004 was tougher than Nadal 2006, isn't it? It's like claiming Roddick 2005 was tougher than Nadal 2007, would be pretty ridiculous.

So Federer knows somebody else better than himself?

They are Federer's words and using them as evidence - when favorable

 

[BauerAlmeida]

So Federer knows somebody else better than himself?

They are Federer's words and using them as evidence - when favorable

Federer knows which match was tougher for him? How is this disputable lol? Especially when it's clear.

 

[Herald]

Federer knows which match was tougher for him? How is this disputable lol? Especially when it's clear.

But he doesn't know when his level is at his best? When he says 2015 and 19 are his best? How is this disputable?

 

[tennis_pro]

Djokovic in 5. Fed was in good form, but that court was as slow as it gets.

 

[abmk]

That would be true even if they were the same age

not really and not even remotely comparable to gap in AO 2012 anyways.
djokovic might have better stamina in a longer match, but he still had issues with heat even later on - Wim 13 semi leading to final perf, USO 14 vs Nishi.

 

[abmk]

if @abmk himself says 2012 fed would lose against 2012 djokovic at the 2012 AO, then that makes djokovic a 100% lock

I keep it real in serious posts. even if I have some bias.

 

[abmk]

Federer in straights

nope.
Hewitt Wim 02 was clearly better than Murray Wim 15.
He'd take a set at the very least. more than decent enough chance that 02 Hewitt outlasts 15 Wim fed. fed couldn't keep up high enough level for more than 2 hrs or so in 14-15 generally.

 

[RS]

I don't have a source for this but after that interview, Bud Collins also asked Fed to rate 04 Wimb F Roddick and 06 Wimb F Nadal out of 10.

He gave Roddick a 9 and Ned a 7.25 (said it would've been higher if it wasn't for the bagel).

Roddick at 9 too high

8.5 maybe.

 

[RS]

nope.
Hewitt Wim 02 was clearly better than Murray Wim 15.
He'd take a set at the very least. more than decent enough chance that 02 Hewitt outlasts 15 Wim fed. fed couldn't keep up high enough level for more than 2 hrs or so in 14-15 generally.

Maybe a 30% chance.

If the match is played 20 times the most likely result most times is Federer in 4.

 

[abmk]

Maybe a 30% chance.

If the match is played 20 times the most likely result most times is Federer in 4.

I think you are putting bigger emphasis on the semi, while I'm looking at the whole tournament and 14-15 fed stamina/ability to keep up high level in general, even more so 15 fed.

I'd say its higher than 30%.

 

[RS]

RS right now

If it was 2007 Nadal or 2008 Nadal or 2010 Nadal I would be

 

[RS]

I think you are putting bigger emphasis on the semi, while I'm looking at the whole tournament and 14-15 fed stamina/ability to keep up high level in general, even more so 15 fed.

I'd say its higher than 30%.

I wasn't just think the 15 SF but it was a late round match. It's just hard to see Hewitt being 50-50 over a extended series for me.

IMO takes a player at a higher level than Hewitt with a better serve and more attacking to drag Fed far down from his 15 SF form or expand to the point he was out of breath.