Djokovic 19 consecutive sets won on hard.

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Who decides it?

I don't think he's close to being the best of all times.
Well don't the general public say Federer is the GOAT with most slams?
Slams are the biggest thing in tennis. No debate there.
No one cared about Sampras's masters record, H2H, weeks at number 1 etc when he won his 13th slam.

The same standards apply to everyone.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Who decides it?

I don't think he's close to being the best of all times.
Also it didn't matter that Sampras had 0 RG titles when he became the all time slam holder.

Therefore your comment about Nadal being a distant third on grass or HC means nothing.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Well don't the general public say Federer is the GOAT with most slams?
Slams are the biggest thing in tennis. No debate there.
No one cared about Sampras's masters record, H2H, weeks at number 1 etc when he won his 13th slam.

The same standards apply to everyone.
I have my standard. I don't let people tell me what to think. I didn't even think Federer was the GOAT with 20 slams...

I don't think Nadal is close to being the best of all times, being the third of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces, and never dominating all year as much as two of his contemporaries (his best season is sixth at best in this era). And he doesn't even have the slam record yet.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Also it didn't matter that Sampras had 0 RG titles when he became the all time slam holder.

Therefore your comment about Nadal being a distant third on grass or HC means nothing.
Sampras was a complete player for his era.

Sampras was the best of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces.
Nadal is the third of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces.

And I don't think Sampras was the GOAT, btw.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I have my standard. I don't let people tell me what to think. I didn't even think Federer was the GOAT with 20 slams...

I don't think Nadal is close to being the best of all times, being the third of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces, and never dominating all year as much as two of his contemporaries (his best season is sixth at best in this era). And he doesn't even have the slam record yet.
Not to mention that he still hasn't achieved back to back seasons as Year End number 1 or back to back multi-slam seasons either.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
Also it didn't matter that Sampras had 0 RG titles when he became the all time slam holder.

Therefore your comment about Nadal being a distant third on grass or HC means nothing.
Yeah, I think if the slam record holder had ALL their titles from one Slam that would matter because ability to win on all surfaces is part of the game. But Rafa's won enough off clay for it not to matter.

Naturally if they end up 20 all I will argue that Fed's better distribution should count for more!! But it's not really a legit argument.
 
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vanioMan

Legend
I have my standard. I don't let people tell me what to think. I didn't even think Federer was the GOAT with 20 slams...

I don't think Nadal is close to being the best of all times, being the third of his era on 2 of the 3 main surfaces, and never dominating all year as much as two of his contemporaries (his best season is sixth at best in this era). And he doesn't even have the slam record yet.
There is no credibility with Nadal GOAT talk if he continues to build his resume on clay and avoiding /losing against Djokovic and Fed

38 year fed defeated Djokovic in straights a month ago
 

JoshuaPim

Rookie
Well don't the general public say Federer is the GOAT with most slams?
Slams are the biggest thing in tennis. No debate there.
No one cared about Sampras's masters record, H2H, weeks at number 1 etc when he won his 13th slam.

The same standards apply to everyone.
So if a 7 foot servebot wins 21 Wimbledons, he becomes the GOAT? What a ridiculous argument.
 

BGod

Legend
Yeah, I think if the slam record holder had ALL their titles had one Slam that would matter because ability to win on all surfaces is part of the game. But Rafa's won enough off clay for it not to matter.

Naturally if they end up 20 all I will argue that Fed's better distribution should count for more!! But it's not really a legit argument.
Weeks at #1 & WTF titles though. I know some here argue they are only tie-breakers but I mean 100 more weeks and 6-0 WTFs are big gaps.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think these types of stats matter all that much. Of course sets translate into matches, but when one guy is #1 and is 3 slams ahead of the guy in question then "consecutive sets won on a HC" doesn't really factor into the equation. A stat for wikipedia warriors as it is.
 

TennisFan3

Legend
I don't think these types of stats matter all that much. Of course sets translate into matches, but when one guy is #1 and is 3 slams ahead of the guy in question then "consecutive sets won on a HC" doesn't really factor into the equation. A stat for wikipedia warriors as it is.
Best post in this thread.
 
Such funny stats. And when exactly did prime Nadal have the chance to play past their prime Federer or Djokovic so many times? During his prime he always had to play against their best versions with the exception of 2013 Federer.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Such funny stats. And when exactly did prime Nadal have the chance to play past their prime Federer or Djokovic so many times? During his prime he always had to play against their best versions with the exception of 2013 Federer.
Madrid 2010
Miami 2011
RG 2011
AO 2012
IW 2012
IW 2013
Rome 2013
Cincy 2013
YEC 2013
AO 2014
 

Lebsta

Rookie
As much as it pains me to say, on a hard court Rafa lirterraly has no chance against Novak. He’ll need him to go out early to have any chance at the AO final
 

victorcruz

Professional
Djoko very well might be the HC goat. While Rafa is great enough to beat most anyone else on HC, he isn't putting any dents into Djoko or Fed for the last bunch of years. But we all know in his prime he was winning a good % of them. No need to bash someone that hasn't aged as well as them.

I don't care about him getting trounced in non slams. He got rekt at the AO and that hurt. But that's about it. If he can win a few more slams, I'll be good with that.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
6‑Jan‑2020ATP Atp CupHardF
2​
1​
Djokovic d. Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-2 7-6(4)
1.63​
14‑Jan‑2019Australian OpenHardF
1​
2​
(1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-2 6-3
2.40​
7‑Mar‑2016Indian Wells MastersHardSF
1​
5​
(1)Djokovic d. (4)Rafael Nadal [ESP]7-6(5) 6-2
1.43​
4‑Jan‑2016DohaHardF
1​
5​
(1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-1 6-2
2.35​
15‑Nov‑2015Tour FinalsHardSF
1​
5​
(1)Djokovic d. (5)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-3
1.91​
5‑Oct‑2015BeijingHardF
1​
8​
(1)Djokovic d. (3)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-2 6-2
1.50​
19‑Mar‑2014Miami MastersHardF
2​
1​
(2)Djokovic d. (1)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-3
1.97​
4‑Nov‑2013Tour FinalsHardF
2​
1​
(2)Djokovic d. (1)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-4
1.43​
30‑Sep‑2013BeijingHardF
1​
2​
(1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-4
2.81​

Look at those dominance ratios, damn....
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
6‑Jan‑2020ATP Atp CupHardF
2​
1​
Djokovic d. Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-2 7-6(4)
1.63​
14‑Jan‑2019Australian OpenHardF
1​
2​
(1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-2 6-3
2.40​
7‑Mar‑2016Indian Wells MastersHardSF
1​
5​
(1)Djokovic d. (4)Rafael Nadal [ESP]7-6(5) 6-2
1.43​
4‑Jan‑2016DohaHardF
1​
5​
(1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-1 6-2
2.35​
15‑Nov‑2015Tour FinalsHardSF
1​
5​
(1)Djokovic d. (5)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-3
1.91​
5‑Oct‑2015BeijingHardF
1​
8​
(1)Djokovic d. (3)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-2 6-2
1.50​
19‑Mar‑2014Miami MastersHardF
2​
1​
(2)Djokovic d. (1)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-3
1.97​
4‑Nov‑2013Tour FinalsHardF
2​
1​
(2)Djokovic d. (1)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-4
1.43​
30‑Sep‑2013BeijingHardF
1​
2​
(1)Djokovic d. (2)Rafael Nadal [ESP]6-3 6-4
2.81​

Look at those dominance ratios, damn....
Wow. Since the 2013 US Open final, Nadal hasn't taken a SINGLE set off Djokovic in any of their 9 subsequent meetings on hardcourt!!!
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
6.5 years against Djokovic, 6 years against Federer. That is a long time.
But isn't it pointless these stats ? It would be one thing if he hasn't beaten them anywhere in years , but tennis is played on many surfaces that suit different players, and Nadal has wins over them both in 2019.
It doesn't matter if it's on clay or grass for anyone who just enjoys tennis.
It's not a secret Nadal has never been as good a HC or grass player than the other 2 in his whole career.
The fact remains he was the only one able to dethrone Fed on grass, and he has beaten prime Djokovic on HCs.
He may look lost nowadays, but hasn't this gotten out of control how everything is seemingly only geared to HC stats ?
 

GuyForget

New User
Also it didn't matter that Sampras had 0 RG titles when he became the all time slam holder.

Therefore your comment about Nadal being a distant third on grass or HC means nothing.
in 2000/02 Sampras became the GOAT on 3 of the 4 surfaces (most Wimbledons, joint most US opens in the open era, + most YEs and 6 YE number ones), bit of a difference to being best on one surface and unable to win the YE, and much as i love what Nadal did at W08, he wouldnt have won Wimbledon ever if the grass hadnt been slowed down. + Sampras is still better than Nadal on 3 of the 4 surfaces and 3 of the 4 slams
 

MeatTornado

Legend
But isn't it pointless these stats ? It would be one thing if he hasn't beaten them anywhere in years , but tennis is played on many surfaces that suit different players, and Nadal has wins over them both in 2019.
It doesn't matter if it's on clay or grass for anyone who just enjoys tennis.
It's not a secret Nadal has never been as good a HC or grass player than the other 2 in his whole career.
The fact remains he was the only one able to dethrone Fed on grass, and he has beaten prime Djokovic on HCs.
He may look lost nowadays, but hasn't this gotten out of control how everything is seemingly only geared to HC stats ?
It's not pointless. It's interesting.

I don't think anyone's saying Djokovic is now GOAT because of this, or that Rafa now isn't. It's just a noteworthy stat worth talking about.
 
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