Djokovic 2007 could have beaten Djokovic 2011 and 2015 at the US Open

[BrokenGears]

First serve points won and hold percentage were higher in 2007 than in 2015. So much for 2015 Djokovic's mythical peak serve.

Oooh wow. One case. Consistency matters.

 

[mike danny]

Lmao that is literally the most important stat. 2011 Djokoviv was known for his groundgame and return. Not his terrible 2011 serve. And that was a huge increase of return percentage. This is literally the biggest troll thread made. Nice try. No 2007 Djokovic would get buttfucked by 2011 Djokovic. Just goes to show Peak Djokovic would beat Peak Federer at USO with even young primovic choking to Federer

I mean you’re the one who posted this thread hypocrite

Nope.

 

[mike danny]

Oooh wow. One case. Consistency matters.

Apparently not when 2009 Fed reached all 4 slam finals, while 2015 didn't.

 

[abmk]

AO: Ferrer >Hewitt

RG: Ferrer>>>>Hewitt

WB: Hewitt>>Ferrer

USO:Hewitt~Ferrer

AO : Hewitt > Ferrer (Ferrer could only dream of coming close to make it through a draw like AO 05 for Hewitt to get to the final). even if ferrer has got to QF/SF more thanks to easier 4R opponents (unlike Hewitt vs El Ayanoui in 03, Federer in 04, Gonzalez in 07(3R), Djokovic in 08, Federer in 10, Djokovic in 12).
You could put ferrrer>Hewitt at AO considering only consistency or no of QFs reached,but he didn't reach Hewitt's level at AO from 03-05.

RG : Ferrer >> Hewitt

Wimbledon : Hewitt >>>>>>>>>>> Ferrer

USO : Hewitt >>>>>>>>>>>> Ferrer

YEC : Hewitt >>>>>>>>>> ferrer

 

[Soothsayer]

Enough with the prime/non-prime excuses. Federer not only started to lose against Djokovic in 2015 at age 34.

At the US Open 2010 and Australian Open 2011 Fededer was only 29 years old, yet he lost to Djokovic. So you can't bring the age excuse. Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Stephen Curry... the greatest sportsmen of all time are obviously at his prime at age 29 and keep dominating their sport at that age.

Time to admit prime Federer is not unbeatable. @Lew has never said that prime Djokovic is unbeatable.

No one is unbeatable, even if playing at his best.

Difference is when Fed was 29 (younger than Novak and Nadal now) he had to deal with TWO ATGs, 5/6 years his junior at their peak. Neither Nadal or Novak have to deal with that.

 

[TMF]

Lmao that is literally the most important stat. 2011 Djokoviv was known for his groundgame and return. Not his terrible 2011 serve. And that was a huge increase of return percentage. This is literally the biggest troll thread made. Nice try. No 2007 Djokovic would get buttfucked by 2011 Djokovic. Just goes to show Peak Djokovic would beat Peak Federer at USO with even young primovic choking to Federer

I mean you’re the one who posted this thread hypocrite

But the stats say otherwise. Facts are facts.

 

[TMF]

Oooh wow. One case. Consistency matters.

Stat only matter when it suit your argument and favorite player, but this time it doesn't.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[BrokenGears]

But the stats say otherwise. Facts are facts.

Nope. They don't unfortunately. Your own stats don't support your narrative

 

[BrokenGears]

Stat only matter when it suit your argument and favorite player, but this time it doesn't.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The stat favors my argument. Nice try

Hypocrite lmao

 

[TMF]

Nope. They don't unfortunately. Your own stats don't support your narrative

Yes. Those are the numbers and there's nothing you can say that can change facts.

 

[TMF]

The stat favors my argument. Nice try

Hypocrite lmao

That's rich coming from a troll who create a thread to denigrate Federer.

 

[BrokenGears]

Yes. Those are the numbers and there's nothing you can say that can change facts.

The numbers support my argument thankfully so I don't have to change it.

 

[BrokenGears]

That's rich coming from a troll who create a thread to denigrate Federer.

Are you Federer?

Only one throwing stones is you

Nice try

 

[abmk]

Lmao that is literally the most important stat. 2011 Djokoviv was known for his groundgame and return. Not his terrible 2011 serve. And that was a huge increase of return percentage. This is literally the biggest troll thread made. Nice try. No 2007 Djokovic would get buttfucked by 2011 Djokovic. Just goes to show Peak Djokovic would beat Peak Federer at USO with even young primovic choking to Federer

I mean you’re the one who posted this thread hypocrite

Djokovic's serve was hardly terrible in 11.
He held serve at 86.4%, had an ace % of 6.3%, 74.1% first serves won, 55.6% 2nd serves won.

Djokovic served great in the USO semi for instance.
served bad in the final though.

One significant reason for serve stats being quite a bit less for him in 11 USO compared to USO 07 is that USO was clearly slower in 11.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/sports/tennis/us-open-speed-bumps-on-a-hardcourt.html

of course, this also means that Djokovic's retun stats got a bump up in USO 11 compared to USO 07.

For the whole year, Djokovic held at 83.9% in 2007 and 86.4% in 2011.

As far as the rest of it, goes, past his prime Federer (though he played well) had 2 MPs vs absolute peak Djokovic in USO 2011 semi. Federer at his prime beat him 3 times in a row at the USO from 07-09 losing 1 set in total with Djokovic playing well, though not at peak level. Not too hard for anyone to logically deduce peak/prime Federer would beat peak/Djokovic majority of the times at the USO.

 

[abmk]

No, I dislike you because you insult people lol

Yes, because in your stats it literally showed places where Stan did better compared to Delpo

But I don't insult people and call them ****ty, dumb, idiotic, etc. Don't call people this and I don't care.

it also literally showed places where Delpo did better than Stan.
Point being both were on a similar level overall.

 

[TMF]

The numbers support my argument thankfully so I don't have to change it.

The numbers I posted conclude Nole 2007=2011=2015 at the US Open. Deal with it!

 

[BrokenGears]

Djokovic's serve was hardly terrible in 11.
He held serve at 86.4%, had an ace % of 6.3, 74.1% first serves won, 55.6% 2nd serves won.

Djokovic served great in the USO semi for instance.
served bad in the final though.

One significant reason for serve stats being quite a bit less for him in 11 USO compared to USO 07 is that USO was clearly slower in 11.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/sports/tennis/us-open-speed-bumps-on-a-hardcourt.html

of course, this also means that Djokovic's retun stats got a bump up in USO 11 compared to USO 07.

For the whole year, Djokovic held at 83.9% in 2007 and 86.4% in 2011.

As far as the rest of it, goes, past his prime Federer had 2 MPs vs absolute peak Djokovic in USO 2011 semi. Federer at his prime beat him 3 times in a row at the USO from 07-09 losing 1 set in total with Djokovic playing well, though not at peak level. Not too hard for anyone to logically deduce peak federer > peak djokovic or prime federer > prime Djokovic at the USO, clearly.

Return stats were bumped by 8 points in the final This cannot clearly just be placed on the surface. Serve stats in 2011 for the entire year were below 2012.

3 point increase is huge.

Federer still lost in 2011 and he was playing extremely well in 2011 USO SF

Contradicted by Montreal 2007.

 

[BrokenGears]

The numbers I posted conclude Nole 2007=2011=2015 at the US Open. Deal with it!

Nope

 

[BrokenGears]

it also literally showed places where Delpo did better than Stan.
Point being both were on a similar level overall.

Ok sure maybe.

 

[TMF]

Are you Federer?

Only one throwing stones is you

Nice try

Did you bang your head against the wall and lost your memory? There a thread that you created on Monday to denigrate Federer.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Djokovic's serve was hardly terrible in 11.
He held serve at 86.4%, had an ace % of 6.3%, 74.1% first serves won, 55.6% 2nd serves won.

Djokovic served great in the USO semi for instance.
served bad in the final though.

One significant reason for serve stats being quite a bit less for him in 11 USO compared to USO 07 is that USO was clearly slower in 11.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/sports/tennis/us-open-speed-bumps-on-a-hardcourt.html

of course, this also means that Djokovic's retun stats got a bump up in USO 11 compared to USO 07.

For the whole year, Djokovic held at 83.9% in 2007 and 86.4% in 2011.

As far as the rest of it, goes, past his prime Federer (though he played well) had 2 MPs vs absolute peak Djokovic in USO 2011 semi. Federer at his prime beat him 3 times in a row at the USO from 07-09 losing 1 set in total with Djokovic playing well, though not at peak level. Not too hard for anyone to logically deduce peak/prime Federer would beat peak/Djokovic majority of the times at the USO.

At the USO I have:
1. 2010 Nadal
2. 2015 Djokovic
3. 2011 Djokovic~ 2004 Federer
Djokovic was playing 2011 USO slightly injured (retirement in the Cincinnati final, couple of MTOs in the Dolgopolov, Tipsarevic and Nadal matches at the USO), so it was actually crazy that he was winning back to back against Fed and Nadal that week, but credit to him and to his willpower, although he wasn't clearly at his physical peak because of injury.

 

[BrokenGears]

Did you bang your head against the wall and lost your memory? There a thread that you created on Monday to denigrate Federer.

Nope I actually created it to bolster 2015 Federer

 

[abmk]

Return stats were bumped by 8 points in the final This cannot clearly just be placed on the surface.

of course not, Djokovic's best returning year was 2011. All I said was that he got a bump in return stats at USO 11 due to USO being slower in 11.

Serve stats in 2011 for the entire year were below 2012.


3 point increase is huge.

How does serve stats being below 2012 in 2011 make it terrible for 2011 as a year?
2011 - held at 86.4%, won 67.7% service points
2012 - held at 87.2%, won 68.2% service points

not that big a difference.

Federer still lost in 2011 and he was playing extremely well in 2011 USO SF

Federer played well, as close to his peak level at USO as Djoko did in USO 07, 08, 09 to his at USO. If you want to call it extremely well, same goes for Djoko in 07,08,09 USOs.
Fed got much closer in USO 11 than Djoko did in either of 07,08,09.

Contradicted by Montreal 2007.

bringing in Montreal 07 makes as much sense as bringing in Cincy 12 and Cincy 15.
Fed beat Djokovic far convincingly in Cincy 12 and Cincy 15 than Djoko barely edging out Fed in Montreal 07

Stick to the USO, will you ?
Bo3 vs Bo5 is different.
Also my point was prime/peak level at USO only. Why are you bringing in Montreal ?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Prize money:

Ferrer $31,306,836
Hewitt $20,890,000

Ferrer is the better man because he earned more with the game.

You seem to be unaware of inflation.

 

[TMF]

Nope

Yes.

Nope I actually created it to bolster 2015 Federer

LOL. You're the biggest hater in here.

 

[abmk]

At the USO I have:
1. 2010 Nadal
2. 2015 Djokovic
3. 2011 Djokovic~ 2004 Federer
Djokovic was playing 2011 USO slightly injured (retirement in the Cincinnati final, couple of MTOs in the Dolgopolov, Tipsarevic and Nadal matches at the USO), so it was actually crazy that he was winning back to back against Fed and Nadal that week, but credit to him and to his willpower, although he wasn't clearly at his physical peak because of injury.

This is you :

 

[mike danny]

Nope I actually created it to bolster 2015 Federer

No, you did it to bolster Djokovic.

 

[BrokenGears]

No, you did it to bolster Djokovic.

That too

 

[Nadal_Django]

This is you :

I'm just proving you wrong with facts for the umpteenth time. That's all You've been schooled once more. Thank you very much.

 

[abmk]

I'm just proving you wrong with facts for the umpteenth time. That's all You've been schooled once more. Thank you very much.

more delusions. Which is why I posted the gif showcasing your delusions.
But that went above your head.

So let me correct those delusions.

In 2011 USO, Djoko had minor problem at worst in dolgo/tipsy matches.

For instance :
The tipsy match :

Djokovic gave the fans, and the tennis world, a scare when, in the first game of the fourth set, he ran down a drop shot for an improbable winner, raised his arms in triumph, then went down to the ground in pain. It turned out to be a minor toe injury, the result of his propensity for sliding on hard courts, and after some quick attention from the trainer, he was able to move unhampered.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2011/09/us-open-djokovic-d-tipsarevic/42706/

Only thing that was serious was the shoulder problem in the 4th set due to which Djokovic started rolling serves in.
But Nadal was exhausted by then physically&mentally, so Djokovic strolled through that set by swinging from the ground.

As far as level goes :

Federer 2006
Federer 2004
Federer 2005
Federer 2007
Federer 2008
Djokovic 2011
Nadal 2010
Djokovic 2015

Now , lesson complete for you.

Remember to revise the lesson given to you about Wimbledon 2012.

 

[Nadal_Django]

more delusions. Which is why I posted the gif showcasing your delusions.
But that went above your head.

So let me correct those delusions.

In 2011 USO, Djoko had minor problem at worst in dolgo/tipsy matches.
Only thing that was serious was the shoulder problem in the 4th set due to which Djokovic started rolling serves in.
But Nadal was exhausted by then physically&mentally, so Djokovic strolled through that set by swinging from the ground.

As far as level goes :

Federer 2006
Federer 2004
Federer 2005
Federer 2007
Federer 2008
Djokovic 2011
Nadal 2010
Djokovic 2015

Now , lesson complete for you.
Time for you to go and get treated for those delusions.

You clearly didn't watch the Dolgopolov and Tipsarevic matches then, if you think that it was only a minor injury. Why I'm not surprised!? I wonder if you actually followed tennis back then.
But anyway, I remember the Tipsa interview after the match, and he said that he saw Djokovic clearly being bothered by injury, and he thought that he had real shot at victory that day.

I think that Djokovic by the USO time was already totally physically and mentally spend and that he pulled of that tournament only on sheer willpower, nothing else.

As for your ranking is hilarious and not worthy of a comment, lol, but what else to expect from a guy who thought Federer in 4 both at the WB 2014 and 2015 Finals, tennis knowledge, certainly not.

 

[KINGROGER]

I think 2011ovic might get a set if he faces 2006 Fed at USO. Peak Fed was prone to mental lapses.

 

[KINGROGER]

AO: Ferrer >Hewitt

RG: Ferrer>>>>Hewitt

WB: Hewitt>>Ferrer

USO:Hewitt~Ferrer

Only RG is right. The other 3 Hewitt is far ahead in every measure.

 

[mike danny]

poor confused guy. Tipsy was probably talking about his own injury and bothered by it and you mistook it for him talking about Djokovic's injury.
yeah, tennis.com guys spread fake news and you tell the "truth". LOL !

Its like Trump lying through his teeth and then telling proper news outlets they spread fake news.


@ the last part : Here's one more lesson for the day : there's a big difference b/w prediction and analysis of something that happened.
I know it might be tough for someone like you so detached from reality to understand, but try to make an effort.

That guy does everything in his power to denigrate Federer, but completely forgets that if he tries to argue that Djokovic was injured, even though he wasn't, then it puts Nadal in a very bad light since he got trounced by that Djokovic in the 2011 USO final.

 

[abmk]

That guy does everything in his power to denigrate Federer, but completely forgets that if he tries to argue that Djokovic was injured, even though he wasn't, then it puts Nadal in a very bad light since he got trounced by that Djokovic in the 2011 USO final.

I think he's the most sore guy right now on this forum.

I doubt if he's even a Nadal fan.

Federer hating is far and above #1 in his priority list , even if he is a Nadal fan.

Must be a sad existence.

 

[bigalfie]

IMO this means peak Djoko beats peak Federer. Fed and Djoko both beat Nadal off clay. On clay Nadal owns Federer and beats Djokovic.

Nonsense. Peak Djokovic has objectively by far the lowest peak and overall level of the big 3:

Djokovic match wins against non ATG's:
Safin - 0%
Kyrigos - 0%
Roddick - 44%

In finals:
khachanov - 0%
Zverev - 0%
Wawrinka - 0%

 

[bigalfie]

Hewitt is great, in 15 slam matches against top-20 ranked Big3 he never won more than 1 set.

If this is not a proof that peak Hewitt destroys them I don't know what it is.

Similarly in terms of Djokovic's awful competition:

Total Sets won at first four grand slam finals:
Fed: 92% (OUTSTANDING)
Nadal: 63% (EXCELLENT)
Novak: 43% (POOR/WEAK)
Murray: 8% (EXTREMELY POOR - this is Novak’s main competition)

Consecutive slam final appearance wins
Fed: 7 (OUTSTANDING)
Nadal: 7 (OUTSTANDING)
Djokovic: 4 (POOR/WEAK)
Murray: 1 (Novak’s main competition)

Debut slam final - conversion rate:
Fed: 100 percent
Nadal: 100 percent
Murray: 0 percent (Novak’s main competition)
Djokovic: 0 percent

1ST SLAM FINAL MEETING ON PREFERRED SURFACE VS ANOTHER ATG:
Fed: 100 percent
Nadal: 100 percent
Murray: 0 percent (Novak’s main competition)
Djokovic: 0 percent

Debut slam final set winning conversion
Fed: 100 percent (OUTSTANDING)
Nadal: 75% (EXCELLENT)
Murray: 0 (Novak’s main competition)
Novak: 0 (EXTREMELY POOR)

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Lew I would have straight-setted Lew II because:

 

[bigalfie]

Peak Djokovic can lose to peak Federer, it's not a surprise.

That is fine, the problem is peak Djokovic is losing in routine fashion to Zerev, Karan, Istomin, Wawrinka, Murray etc and is hard to say he has a "peak" when he struggles to dominate for more than 9 months in a go

 

[Lew II]

You seem to be unaware of inflation.

With 10 years of inflation Hewitt's money would be about 27 millions.

 

[NatF]

With 10 years of inflation Hewitt's money would be about 27 millions.

This is sloppy even for you man.

In 2001 Hewitt received $850,000 for his USO win, in 2018 Djokovic got $3,800,000. Not going to work it all out but I doubt it's just a 7 million gap...

I'm no fan of your usual cherry picking but posting blatantly wrong numbers at this level isn't usually your style.

 

[BGod]

2011 Novak peak was his best form and given his physical prime this shouldn't surprise anyone.

Now 2015 was his best season and the GOAT but that was circumstantial.

 

[Lew II]

This is sloppy even for you man.

In 2001 Hewitt received $850,000 for his USO win, in 2018 Djokovic got $3,800,000. Not going to work it all out but I doubt it's just a 7 million gap...

I'm no fan of your usual cherry picking but posting blatantly wrong numbers at this level isn't usually your style.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Ferrer's prize money would be worth $33,984,938.09 switching from 2013 to 2018.
Hewitt's prize money would be worth $28,710,693.75 switching from 2003 to 2018.

Ferrer earned more than Hewitt, I'm sorry.

 

[NatF]

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Ferrer's prize money would be worth $33,984,938.09 switching from 2013 to 2018.
Hewitt's prize money would be worth $28,710,693.75 switching from 2003 to 2018.

Ferrer earned more than Hewitt, I'm sorry.

Not accounting for prize money increases independent of inflation? Ok then.

I forgive you but it's not me you should be asking. It's logic you've been offending.

 

[Lew II]

Not accounting for prize money increases independent of inflation? Ok then.

I forgive you but it's not me you should be asking. It's logic you've been offending.

Internet bullies, would **** in their pants to act like this if I was in front of them.

 

[NatF]

Internet bullies, would **** in their pants to act like this if I was in front of them.

whatever you say.

Maybe they would? That wouldn't make your posts any better though.

Let me know if you're ever in London, we can go to a sports bar or pub and I can show you your first tennis match

 

[Lew II]

whatever you say.

Maybe they would? That wouldn't make your posts any better though.

Let me know if you're ever in London, we can go to a sports bar or pub and I can show you your first tennis match

You're not the judge, idiot. Just answer if you disagree. Your mother didn't teach you how to behave?

 

[NatF]

You're not the judge, idiot. Just answer if you disagree. Your mother didn't teach you how to behave?

Lew cracking again Maybe you should delete your account again?

Did your mother teach you to behave? I don't spend my time baiting strangers on the internet...

 

[Lew II]

Lew cracking again Maybe you should delete your account again?

Did your mother teach you to behave? I don't spend my time baiting strangers on the internet...

It's baiting because it hurts you. For any other it's just stats and opinions.

 

[NatF]

It's baiting because it hurts you. For any other it's just stats and opinions.

I found you on facebook, you're right I probably would **** myself if you were in front of me

You're the one resorting to calling me an idiot but I'm the one that's hurt?