Djokovic 2011 vs Federer 2006

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Djokovic losses in 2011:
Federer (ATG)
Murray (Upper Midcarder)
Del Potro (Upper Midcarder)
Nishikori (Midcarder)
Ferrer (Midcarder)
Tipsarevic (Low card)

Federer losses in 2006:
Nadal x4 (ATG)
Murray (Upper Midcarder)

So would peak Djokovic really thrive in the "weak era" if he was losing to second, third, and fourth rate players in 2011?
 
Nadal_Django said:
Djokovic's competition in 2011: Peak Federer, Peak Nadal, Peak Murray...

Federer's competition in 2006: Davydenko, Baghdatis, baby clay courter Nadal...
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LMAO, what a pathetic clown you are. And anybody still thinks this troll is a Nadal fan? No, this is a Djokovic fanboy who doesn't want Federer fans to bash his favorite player in response to his trolling, that's why he made such a username.
 
zagor said:
Novak ran out of steam after 2011 USO, had a shoulder injury (was rolling in serves by the end of the final basically). Most of those losses where in the indoor season which was very lackluster by his standards, he usually thrives in that part of the year.
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Pretty embarassing that Nadal was breadsticked in the 4th by a Djokovic who was just rolling the serves in.

That's why I think Nadal was overrated in that USO final just because his name is Nadal.
 
LOL wasn't OP one of those regular trolls who moaned about Djokovic dominating a "weak era" in the mid 2010s? Now he is actually questioning even that very same thing, because Djokovic God forbid struggled in the post-US Open season after going 64-2 over the first nine months? :-D

Yes, peak Djokovic would have dominated Federer's bunnies with ease himself.
 
Only question mark for 2011 Djokovic is Nadal at the FO - also depends on whether his body breaks down again.
 
mike danny said:
Pretty embarassing that Nadal was breadsticked in the 4th by a Djokovic who was just rolling the serves in.

That's why I think Nadal was overrated in that USO final just because his name is Nadal.
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Nadal seemed to have ran out of gas after winning 3d set. The match was very intense, with brutal rallies for the first 3 sets.

I agree in principle though, bigger name doesn't always mean a tougher opponent.
 
zagor said:
Novak ran out of steam after 2011 USO, had a shoulder injury (was rolling in serves by the end of the final basically). Most of those losses where in the indoor season which was very lackluster by his standards, he usually thrives in that part of the year.
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This. When we talk about Djokovic 2011 we really mean first half of year.
Then again, he was double match point down against Fed at USO. Could have gone 1-2 againstRoger at slams.
 
zagor said:
Nadal seemed to have ran out of gas after winning 3d set. The match was very intense, with brutal rallies for the first 3 sets.

I agree in principle though, bigger name doesn't always mean a tougher opponent.
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Neither guy could serve in that match - hence the brutal rallies. Think the court was grittier and slower as well.
 
Novak had one of the greatest ever tennis seasons in 2011, imo. For the first nine months or so of the year, he was on a different level. He reminded me of peak Mac in 1984, he was so dominating.

Djokovic suffered somwwhat of a let-down post US Open 2011 especially with a few niggling injuries, so a few of those losses are understandable.

Peak Fed 2006 vs peak Novak 2011. There wouldn't be much between them. Considering Fed in 2011 beat Novak at the French and should have finished him off at the USO, peak Fed would have done ok too.
 
StrongRule said:
LMAO, what a pathetic clown you are. And anybody still thinks this troll is a Nadal fan? No, this is a Djokovic fanboy who doesn't want Federer fans to bash his favorite player in response to his trolling, that's why he made such a username.
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Yes, because the Nadal who was losing to Hewitt, Blake, Gonzalez and Youzhny in Slams outside clay those years, was the absolute peak Nadal. :D

The notion that the 18-20 y/o Nadal is the absolute best most polished version of Nadal ever, and since then he didn't developed even for a millimeter, and his game since then is in constant decline, although he is winning Slams even at 33, is crazy, ludicrous and hilarious at the same time.

I'm always amused how much triggered you get when someone is questioning your Fed boy 2004-07 legacy. So carry on. Lol
 
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Nadal_Django said:
Yes, because the Nadal who was losing to Hewitt, Blake, Gonzalez and Youzhny in Slams outside clay those years, was the absolute peak Nadal. :D

The notion that the 18-20 y/o Nadal is the absolute best most polished version of Nadal ever, and since then he didn't developed even for a millimeter, and his game since then is in constant decline, although he is winning Slams even at 33, is crazy, ludicrous and hilarious at the same time.

I'm always amused how much triggered you get when someone is questioning your Fed boy 2004-07 legacy. So carry on. Lol
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On clay it was peak Nadal and you know it. But as a blind Djokovic fanboy you obviously think Nadal's clay peak was in 2015.
 
Nadal_Django said:
Federer is winning Wimbledon and US Open in 2011 with his Slam daddy Nadal around. Lol Yeah right...:laughing:
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Yes and You do know that Rafael has GRAND TOTAL OF ONE win against Federer on Grass?

How come a match going 9-7 in the fifth somehow becomes a proof that Nadal will always beat Federer at WB?

When he has been consistently outperformed on the surface by Federer.

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ForehandCross said:
Yes and You do know that Rafael has GRAND TOTAL OF ONE win against Federer on Grass?

How come a match going 9-7 in the fifth somehow becomes a proof that Nadal will always beat Federer at WB?

When he has been consistently outperformed on the surface by Federer.

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Federer didn't win a Slam match against Nadal from 2007 until 2017 dude. 2011 was the midst of his mental blockage against Nadal. You think that he would win 2011 WB and USO while seeing ghosts against Nadal or with all those mental demons in his head. :oops: Lol
His shanking backhand being at his peak those years, wouldn't help either. ;)

Check what did Uncle Toni said after the Fed-Djoko 2011 USO SF. He literally said " we were very unlucky with the outcome".
I know that for you guys Federer have never lost a hypothetical match, but all this asured almost arrogant talk that Federer would have won the 2011 WB and USO with a solid Nadal very much around is pure BS and pure revisionism of Nadal- Fed rivalry those years. ;)
First that Strongrule girl/dude with the talk that 2006 Nadal was at his absolute peak, and now this. I mean c'mon...:oops:
 
Djokovic 11 would probably win CYGS that year. There were so few threats in that period. Nadal of course strong on clay, but HC and grass competition were very lackluster IMO. It was really messy.
 
RF-18 said:
Djokovic 11 would probably win CYGS that year. There were so few threats in that period. Nadal of course strong on clay, but HC and grass competition were very lackluster IMO. It was really messy.
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He's not beating Nadal at the RG final in 2006 if he couldn't beat Federer in 2011. As well as Federer was playing that day, I still don't think it was superior to Nadal in 2006. I agree that he would win the other three Slams quite easily, though.
 
Even though for some Djoker fans his peak level was 2011, i think 2015 Djokovic is the worst matchup for 2006 Fed. But yeah, both versions of Djokovic would probably get CYGS at 2004-2007 competition.
 
Third Serve said:
He's not beating Nadal at the RG final in 2006 if he couldn't beat Federer in 2011. As well as Federer was playing that day, I still don't think it was superior to Nadal in 2006. I agree that he would win the other three Slams quite easily, though.
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Probably not more easily than he did in 2011 tbh - at least not much more.
 
Third Serve said:
He's not beating Nadal at the RG final in 2006 if he couldn't beat Federer in 2011. As well as Federer was playing that day, I still don't think it was superior to Nadal in 2006. I agree that he would win the other three Slams quite easily, though.
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Well same as Fed the RG one is the real question. But Djokovic matches up better with Nadal, and his level on clay in 2011 was really high. He was 19-1 on clay that year, and won 3 titles. Losing one match like he did in that SF doesn't say much IMO for his chances on another day against Nadal who he destroyed in straights on 2 occasions that year.

I give Djoko 11 much better chance than 06 Fed had.
 
NatF said:
Probably not more easily than he did in 2011 tbh - at least not much more.
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I say easily compared to Federer. That lackluster AO performance in 2006 is what stuck out to me when making that post and I suspect Djokovic would have done much better there.
 
RF-18 said:
Well same as Fed the RG one is the real question. But Djokovic matches up better with Nadal, and his level on clay in 2011 was really high. He was 19-1 on clay that year, and won 3 titles. Losing one match like he did in that SF doesn't say much IMO for his chances on another day against Nadal who he destroyed in straights on 2 occasions that year.

I give Djoko 11 much better chance than 06 Fed had.
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Yeah but Nadal in a Bo5 match is a far different beast than in Bo3. Besides, I thought Djokovic’s RG performance in 2011 was definitely a step down from what he brought in 2012-2013.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
Hm? Fingerwaggerer? Can't say a match like that proves peak Fed > peak Djok at RG, can't expect Fred to be this clutch on most occasions (annoyingly so). On the balance peak to peak I see Djokovic with an edge at MC/Rome/RG although Federer takes Hamburg|Madrid handily.
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Peak for peak it's hard to call between Fedovic at the FO for me.

I do consider Novak to be an overall better CC player than Fed but for some reason his level nearly always seems to noticeably drop at FO compared to his play in CC masters.
 
Third Serve said:
I say easily compared to Federer. That lackluster AO performance in 2006 is what stuck out to me when making that post and I suspect Djokovic would have done much better there.
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Well let's not forget Murray rolled over in the final, the SF against Kiefer is of course a lot easier than facing Fed. Perhaps Davydenko could sneak the second set in the QF considering Berdych took it to a TB. But yeah overall Djokovic rolls through that AO without difficulty.
 
Third Serve said:
Yeah but Nadal in a Bo5 match is a far different beast than in Bo3. Besides, I thought Djokovic’s RG performance in 2011 was definitely a step down from what he brought in 2012-2013.
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I do definitely agree that Nadal is a different monster when he plays at Chatrier compared to the clay masters. But still I give Djokovic a much better chance than Fed to do the job. The main reason cause of that two handed BH. He doesn't sweat Nadal from that side. Nadal can't bully him on that side, and especially in 2011 Djokovic BH was on fire.
 
NatF said:
Well let's not forget Murray rolled over in the final, the SF against Kiefer is of course a lot easier than facing Fed. Perhaps Davydenko could sneak the second set in the QF considering Berdych took it to a TB. But yeah overall Djokovic rolls through that AO without difficulty.
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Well, I rate 2011 as Djokovic’s best AO win so it would make sense for him to win it easier. I agree about Davydenko taking a set. If Djokovic had to lose a set in this scenario, it would be that one.
 
Third Serve said:
Well, I rate 2011 as Djokovic’s best AO win so it would make sense for him to win it easier. I agree about Davydenko taking a set. If Djokovic had to lose a set in this scenario, it would be that one.
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Last three rounds Djokovic was pretty impervious, Fed probably should have won a set in the SF but Kiefer and Baggy get the treatment.
 
Nadal_Django said:
Federer didn't win a Slam match against Nadal from 2007 until 2017 dude. 2011 was the midst of his mental blockage against Nadal. You think that he would win 2011 WB and USO while seeing ghosts against Nadal or with all those mental demons in his head. :oops: Lol
His shanking backhand being at his peak those years, wouldn't help either. ;)

Check what did Uncle Toni said after the Fed-Djoko 2011 USO SF. He literally said " we were very unlucky with the outcome".
I know that for you guys Federer have never lost a hypothetical match, but all this asured almost arrogant talk that Federer would have won the 2011 WB and USO with a solid Nadal very much around is pure BS and pure revisionism of Nadal- Fed rivalry those years. ;)
First that Strongrule girl/dude with the talk that 2006 Nadal was at his absolute peak, and now this. I mean c'mon...:oops:
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Ahem. 2008 F was right after the greatest beatdown at the grandest stage at RG 2008.

Federer was a mentally broken by Nadal at the point. He even admitted that later.

Yet the final went deep into fifth and Federer could have even won, though Nadal of course deserved it more.

So if a Federer who was baggeled and breadsticked in FO could push Rafael to the brink, why would a Federer who dimantled Djokovic and Ran Rafa close ON CLAY, would have any mental block problem ON GRASS?

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ForehandCross said:
Ahem. 2008 F was right after the greatest beatdown at the grandest stage at RG 2008.

Federer was a mentally broken by Nadal at the point. He even admitted that later.

Yet the final went deep into fifth and Federer could have even won, though Nadal of course deserved it more.

So if a Federer who was baggeled and breadsticked in FO could push Rafael to the brink, why would a Federer who dimantled Djokovic and Ran Rafa close ON CLAY, would have any mental block problem ON GRASS?

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I find it very funny, I have to admit, that you sounds very sure that Federer would win those two hypothetical matches in the midst of his 10 year Slam drought against Nadal, and yet in the same post you're talking about logic. :D
 
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