Djokovic 2011 vs Sinner 2024

[Winner Sinner]

In order for Siner's future season to be compared to Novak 2011, he must:

To beat Alcaraz in 5-6 finals (masters and slams)
To beat another multiple slam winner 3-4 times (masters, slams)
To dominate on hard, clay and grass

So if one, not necessarily Sinner, should close a typical season with a record of 100-0, winning all 4 slams, all 9 masters 1000s, the ATP Finals and in general all the tournaments in which he participates without granting a set all year round but without meeting opponents of the caliber of Nadal 2011 or Federer 2011, for you it will never be put on a higher level than Djokovic 2011 nor even on the same level?

Subjective opinions leave the time they find in these discussions.
We know that Fedal 2011 was strong but we don't know how strong it was.
Who tells you that against Nadal 2010 Djokovic 2011 would have always finished the h2h ahead 6-0?
Every season makes a story in itself, except that that 10-1 against Fedal remains sensational regardless.

 

[dking68]

@Winner Sinner what do you predict for Sinner in 2025?

I predict:

3 slams (AO, WB, USO)
4 masters (Sunshine double, Cincinnati, Shanghai))
ATP Finals
2 500s (Halle, Rotterdam)


10 titles, 8 big titles.

 

[Winner Sinner]

@Winner Sinner what do you predict for Sinner in 2025?

I predict:

3 slams (AO, WB, USO)
4 masters (Sunshine double, Cincinnati, Shanghai))
ATP Finals
2 500s (Halle, Rotterdam)


10 titles, 8 big titles.

I think I've already said it somewhere else in the forum, like you I expect him to win 3 slams, let's say the same as this 2024 plus Wimbledon which his coach Vagnozzi in a recent interview made it clear that he scored with a red circle.

But we also have to wait for the Cas ruling.

Be careful that if he were to win Roland Garros, which is the most complicated slam for him, at that point I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of completing the grand slam, even if at that point paradoxically winning the US Open could be more complicated, even more so than Wimbledon.
On fast hard surfaces like there are in Melbourne and New York, I honestly don't see who can stop him.
At the moment on that type of surface he transmits the same excessive power as Djokovic in his best versions but with apparently weaker competition.

 

[dking68]

I think I've already said it somewhere else in the forum, like you I expect him to win 3 slams, let's say the same as this 2024 plus Wimbledon which his coach Vagnozzi in a recent interview made it clear that he scored with a red circle.

But we also have to wait for the Cas ruling.

Be careful that if he were to win Roland Garros, which is the most complicated slam for him, at that point I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of completing the grand slam, even if at that point paradoxically winning the US Open could be more complicated, even more so than Wimbledon.
On fast hard surfaces like there are in Melbourne and New York, I honestly don't see who can stop him.
At the moment on that type of surface he transmits the same excessive power as Djokovic in his best versions but with apparently weaker competition.

Carlos Alcaraz has an uphill task if Sinner perfects the serve during the offseason. Alcaraz is not well known for defending his titles, apart from Wimbledon, Madrid and IW.
Sinner should win Wimbledon if the serve continues to improve.

Sinner should win another masters title or two

 

[zakopinjo]

So if one, not necessarily Sinner, should close a typical season with a record of 100-0, winning all 4 slams, all 9 masters 1000s, the ATP Finals and in general all the tournaments in which he participates without granting a set all year round but without meeting opponents of the caliber of Nadal 2011 or Federer 2011, for you it will never be put on a higher level than Djokovic 2011 nor even on the same level?

Subjective opinions leave the time they find in these discussions.
We know that Fedal 2011 was strong but we don't know how strong it was.
Who tells you that against Nadal 2010 Djokovic 2011 would have always finished the h2h ahead 6-0?
Every season makes a story in itself, except that that 10-1 against Fedal remains sensational regardless.

If he does it against a field that doesn't have multiple slams in its possession, then yes. Of course, it will not be placed in the same rank.

 

[Third Serve]

This isn't a contest, it is clearly Djokovic 2011. That is one of the greatest seasons of all time.

There’s no “clearly” going on here. 2011 ended the season very poorly so he has that going against him. Not many holes to poke for the first several months of the season though

 

[Hitman]

There’s no “clearly” going on here. 2011 ended the season very poorly so he has that going against him. Not many holes to poke for the first several months of the season though

For me it is and I only speak for myself

 

[Hitman]

If Sinner can repeat his 2024 and add a Wimbledon title and another masters or so, he can be regarded close to 2011. For now, hes not. And hes overdue for a clay court masters title.

Agree.

 

[xFedal]

DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT, IF THOUGHT COMES INTO MIND TELL UR SELF DONT BE STUPID.

 

[thrust]

There’s no “clearly” going on here. 2011 ended the season very poorly so he has that going against him. Not many holes to poke for the first several months of the season though

Novak was playing partly injured after the USO of 11. Novak had a lopsided H-H advantage vs Fedal who were superior to Sinneraz of today. To think otherwise, is denial

 

[xFedal]

 

[thrust]

Doesn't need a poll. Djokov

 

[Fabrivitx]

With today's victory Sinner equals the win/loss record of what many believe was the best season of Djokovic's career, excluding 2015 for statistics.
In fact, 70-6 seasonal record, a record that Sinner could even improve (or worsen) with the upcoming Davis Cup, we'll see.
I would like to point out straight away that this is not a thread to demonstrate which of the 2 is the best season, it is clearly Djokovic's 2011 season, where apart from the statistics I will list below, it is enough just to mention his almost immaculate record of 10- 1 against Fedal to close the contest.
However, it remains significant that after the big three, someone has arrived capable of compiling a season that is at least statistically comparable, something unthinkable until recently.

Record wins/losses
Djokovic 2011= 70-6
Sinner 2024= 70-6

Tournaments won
Djokovic 2011= 10
Sinner 2024= 8

Slam
Djokovic 2011= 3
Sinner 2024 = 2

Big title
Djokovic 2011= 8
Sinner 2024= 6

Masters 1000
Djokovic 2011= 5
Sinner 2024= 3

ATP Finals
Djokovic 2011= 0
Sinner 2024 = 1

Records vs top 10
Djokovic 2011= 21-4
Sinner 2024= 16-5

Records vs top 5
Djokovic 2011= 13-4
Sinner 2024 = 11-4

Records vs top 1
Djokovic 2011= 5-0
Sinner 2024= 1-0

Highest winning streak
Djokovic 2011= 41
Sinner 2024= 16

Maximum losing streak
Djokovic 2011= 2
Sinner 2024= 1

Obviously Sinner also has something in his favor compared to Djokovic 2011, namely having won at least one set in all the seasonal matches played.

Let's say that statistically the thing that tips the scales for Djokovic in 2011 is the Wimbledon tournament which he won while Sinner stopped in the quarter-finals.

The clostebol incident changed peak sinner, we never really see what he could have been if he was mentally in peace in 2024