Djokovic 2015 vs. Federer 2006 (tour by tour comparison)

abmk

Bionic Poster
But I thought the discussion was only about Nadal? :confused:

but evidence of great performances in Bo5 vs others players comes into the picture as well ...

IIRC, djoko lost in straights to ferrer in Bo5 in Davis Cup in 09, though he was challenging nadal in Bo3 at that time ....
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
but evidence of great performances in Bo5 vs others players comes into the picture as well ...

IIRC, djoko lost in straights to ferrer in Bo5 in Davis Cup in 09, though he was challenging nadal in Bo3 at that time ....
Todd Martin has a lot to answer for! :mad:
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Depends which version of Djokovic we're talking about I guess.

yeah, which version ? the one who got taken to 5 by murray in 15 and lost to stan in the final, one who got beat by federer in 4 in 11 ...tell me ...I'm curious ....

the one in 13 SF where he was terrible in set 3, not so good in set 1 etc. etc -- probably the closest - but a slightly better, younger, more confident rafa would've closed him out in 4 most probably ...
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
yeah, which version ? the one who got taken to 5 by murray in 15 and lost to stan in the final, one who got beat by federer in 4 in 11 ...tell me ...I'm curious ....

the one in 13 SF where he was terrible in set 3, not so good in set 1 etc. etc -- probably the closest - but a slightly better, younger, more confident rafa would've closed him out in 4 most probably ...
Yep, any one of those would do.
 

Fedalforever

Semi-Pro
According to Djokovic2011 and other n0le fans, Nole is GOAT on clay and consistency is more important than actually winning titles....so Djokovic losing the Rg finals in 2016,2017,2018 would be better for him than winning 1 title and losing in R1 in the other years.
 

xFedal

Legend
Fed wins 12 titles - all big events as compared to Novak's 11 and the usual deluded Novak fans claim that Novak had a better year? LOL..Low IQ.
WOW! You just said Fed won 12 big events, nothing else can be further than the truth. Novak has the record for top tier tournaments won not Fed.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not talking about YEC at all ...YEC is medium, medium slow (& low bouncing) -- its a good surface for federer's game

I was talking about the first half of the season. He didn't look to be that much of a threat on slow HC and clay in general -- did you think he could really outlast djoko on slow HC this year ? and clay ? got blitzed by stan at the FO, lost to kyrgios in 1R ....

mysterious how nadal is a threat only on clay in 06, when he actually reached Wimbledon final in 2006 in contrast to federer who was 3R at the AO and QF at the FO ( straights loss) ..... also nadal actually won canada and madrid in 05, in addition to defeating federer at dubai in 06.....

at the bold part, LOL, that speaks to the weakness of the field right now ....personal best seasons ever ? fat chance it'd be better than any of his top 5 - 2004-07, 09 ...

Federer got his game together after RG for real, although he was reaching finals of masters and beating Djokovic convincingly at dubai.

But, you cannot argue against that Fed was actually playing some of his best ever tennis from wimbledon. He put up one of his best performances ever against Murray at W and against stan in the USO SF. He didn't lose a set till the USO final wich is a personal record and he beat djokovic in stragihts at Cincy where he also didn't get broken the WHOLE tournament. In wimbledon he was stellar too. At YECs he beats peak Djokovic and any top 8 player in his way.

If there was no Djokovic to stop him, I can bet my LIFE on that we would be here talking now and comparing Feds level of play to his seasons from 04-07. I'm betting my life on that. He could have had two slams and a YECs, aswell as several masters titles results that would be comparable to his other best seasons. But, he had another guy in his way who didn't allow that to happen who btw was playing peak tennis the whole year. Only ONE guy was his problem, the rest he treated like garbage just like he did in his 20s. And you have to accept that without taking credit away from Djokovic.

I'm a big fan of Roger and his game, I love watching him play, I could never call his tennis this year not close to his best, I'm very sure you and others who claim this didn't even watch him back in the day.

Why do you run from the truth? What is it that you are trying to protect? Seriously it is not that serious, he is not your dad. Every expert can see it, federer talks about it himself, his rivals agrees. All but you and lunatics on this forum. Why?
 
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xFedal

Legend
Federer got his game together after RG for real, although he was reaching finals of masters and beating Djokovic convincingly at dubai.

But, you cannot argue against that Fed was actually playing some of his best ever tennis from wimbledon. He put up one of his best performances ever against Murray at W and against stan in the USO SF. He didn't lose a set till the USO final wich is a personal record and he beat djokovic in stragihts at Cincy where he also didn't get broken the WHOLE tournament. In wimbledon he was stellar too. At YECs he beats peak Djokovic and any top 8 player in his way.

If there was no Djokovic to stop him, I can bet my LIFE on that we would be here talking now and comparing Feds level of play to his seasons from 04-07. I'm betting my life on that. He could have had two slams and a YECs, aswell as several masters titles results that would be comparable to his other best seasons. But, he had another guy in his way who didn't allow that to happen who btw was playing peak tennis the whole year. Only ONE guy was his problem, the rest he treated like garbage just like he did in his 20s. And you have to accept that without taking credit away from Djokovic.

I'm a big fan of Roger and his game, I love watching him play, I could never call his tennis this year not close to his best, I'm very sure you and others who claim this didn't even watch him back in the day.

Why do you run from the truth? What is it that you are trying to protect? Seriously it is not that serious, he is not your dad. Every expert can see it, federer talks about it himself, his rivals agrees. All but you and lunatics on this forum. Why?
You still believe in #18?
 

90's Clay

Banned
I'll Take Nole' '15 all day every day.. 34 year old Federer and Stan peaking at the French is still a tougher obstacle than that god awful 2006 field. (outside of Nadal on clay)

2006 was the worst year Ive ever seen in the men's game since watching the men's game since '94
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
You still believe in #18?

It can still happen, but I'm curious to see what happens after Edberg. I hope he keeps playing as he has done. It will result in big titles in 2016. He has now more experience with his new style.
 

xFedal

Legend
It can still happen, but I'm curious to see what happens after Edberg. I hope he keeps playing as he has done. It will result in big titles in 2016. He has now more experience with his new style.
I don't think he will end 2016 in top 3, what do you think?
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think he will end 2016 in top 3, what do you think?

Now that Edberg is gone it is very unpredictable. Ljubicic can totally screw it up, I really did not understand the appointment there. I understand though that Edberg had to go cause he didn't intend to stay so long, it was meant to be 1 year only. But still, fed could have found a bigger name than that.

Key is that Fed maintains his style of play. Then I'm very positive that he will maintain in the top 3 and I can definitely see him win a slam next year. His new schedule will help.
 

xFedal

Legend
Now that Edberg is gone it is very unpredictable. Ljubicic can totally screw it up, I really did not understand the appointment there. I understand though that Edberg had to go cause he didn't intend to stay so long, it was meant to be 1 year only. But still, fed could have found a bigger name than that.

Key is that Fed maintains his style of play. Then I'm very positive that he will maintain in the top 3 and I can definitely see him win a slam next year. His new schedule will help.
Nadal can only improve and Fed has a lot points to defend. Nadal will outpoint Fed so will Murray.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Federer's Masters were worth more than Djokovic's because he had to play an extra round and there were still best-of-5-set finals at the time.

And that's what cost him Cincinnati and Hamburg basically. A 5-hour final in Rome and the fact that he played 6 matches in Canada (4 consecutive 3-setters) and had no BYE in Cincinnati. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
 
Federer's Masters were worth more than Djokovic's because he had to play an extra round and there were still best-of-5-set finals at the time.

And that's what cost him Cincinnati and Hamburg basically. A 5-hour final in Rome and the fact that he played 6 matches in Canada (4 consecutive 3-setters) and had no BYE in Cincinnati. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Excuses over excuses! No1e won more masters, but Fed played in 5 sets (if No1e played in 5 he would maybe won even more, Fed has more difficult to win against No1e in best of 5 for example). There is not If, just fact. Who made better! Fed won 0 titles on clay, yes but Rafa on clay ... bla bla… he had losing record (2-4) against main rival, yes but Rafa on clay .. bla bla ..., still they played 6 matches and just 3 was on clay.

- More than 1000 points less than No1e in 2015!
- 2 less masters!
- No clay titles (he didn’t dominate all surfaces like No1e who won 2 masters on clay)!
- Losing record against main rival (2-4, he didn’t dominate whole tour like No1e)!
- Less top10 wins (19 ws 31) and worst record against top10 players (19-4, 83% vs 31-5, 86%)!
- No excuses!
 

90's Clay

Banned
2006 consisted of NOBODY outside of Nadal on clay.

Roddick- Damn JOKE that year
Hewitt- Already washed up
Baghaditis- Really? He makes Johannson looks like an all time GOAT
Keifer- Who???
Nadal at Wimbledon... Oh so tough... What was he in his FOURTH grass court tourney ever? ROFLMAO (Oh he beat a geriatric 2006 Agassi with Sciatica ,)

Like as Said, 2015 still had a reasonably tough Fed and a damn tough Wawrinka at the French. 2006 had Nadal just out of grade school and a crew of clowns.
 
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tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Excuses over excuses! No1e won more masters, but Fed played in 5 sets (if No1e played in 5 he would maybe won even more, Fed has more difficult to win against No1e in best of 5 for example). There is not If, just fact. Who made better! Fed won 0 titles on clay, yes but Rafa on clay ... bla bla… he had losing record (2-4) against main rival, yes but Rafa on clay .. bla bla ..., still they played 6 matches and just 3 was on clay.

- More than 1000 points less than No1e in 2015!
- 2 less masters!
- No clay titles (he didn’t dominate all surfaces like No1e who won 2 masters on clay)!
- Losing record against main rival (2-4, he didn’t dominate whole tour like No1e)!
- Less top10 wins (19 ws 31) and worst record against top10 players (19-4, 83% vs 31-5, 86%)!
- No excuses!

Nadal on clay in 2006 tops whichever rival on whichever surface Djokovic faced in 2015. His main rival is in his mid 30's which puts an asterisk to whatever Noley has achieved this year.
 

Tony48

Legend
yeah, which version ? the one who got taken to 5 by murray in 15 and lost to stan in the final, one who got beat by federer in 4 in 11 ...tell me ...I'm curious ....

the one in 13 SF where he was terrible in set 3, not so good in set 1 etc. etc -- probably the closest - but a slightly better, younger, more confident rafa would've closed him out in 4 most probably ...

I don't know what goes on in your head to make you think that one match against player A has anything to do with another match against player B. Murry and Wawrinka have absolutely nothing to do with Djokovic vs. Nadal. As a Federer fan, you should already know that.....since his absolutely terrible record against Nadal has nothing to do with his record against everyone else.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I don't know what goes on in your head to make you think that one match against player A has anything to do with another match against player B. Murry and Wawrinka have absolutely nothing to do with Djokovic vs. Nadal. As a Federer fan, you should already know that.....since his absolutely terrible record against Nadal has nothing to do with his record against everyone else.

actually its fairly simple, but you are in denial ..murray and wawrinka are clearly and I repeat clearly easier than nadal on clay, yes, even for djokovic ...so if djokovic goes to 5 vs murray and loses in 4 vs stan, its safe to say he loses to prime nadal as well .......
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Federer got his game together after RG for real, although he was reaching finals of masters and beating Djokovic convincingly at dubai.

But, you cannot argue against that Fed was actually playing some of his best ever tennis from wimbledon. He put up one of his best performances ever against Murray at W and against stan in the USO SF. He didn't lose a set till the USO final wich is a personal record and he beat djokovic in stragihts at Cincy where he also didn't get broken the WHOLE tournament. In wimbledon he was stellar too. At YECs he beats peak Djokovic and any top 8 player in his way.

If there was no Djokovic to stop him, I can bet my LIFE on that we would be here talking now and comparing Feds level of play to his seasons from 04-07. I'm betting my life on that. He could have had two slams and a YECs, aswell as several masters titles results that would be comparable to his other best seasons. But, he had another guy in his way who didn't allow that to happen who btw was playing peak tennis the whole year. Only ONE guy was his problem, the rest he treated like garbage just like he did in his 20s. And you have to accept that without taking credit away from Djokovic.

I'm a big fan of Roger and his game, I love watching him play, I could never call his tennis this year not close to his best, I'm very sure you and others who claim this didn't even watch him back in the day.

Why do you run from the truth? What is it that you are trying to protect? Seriously it is not that serious, he is not your dad. Every expert can see it, federer talks about it himself, his rivals agrees. All but you and lunatics on this forum. Why?

he also lost early in shanghai and paris ....

yes, one guy was his problem , in Bo5, because djokovic knows he can outlast him ...that wouldn't have happened in his prime .......

the rest of the field is clearly worse than it was in federer's prime and they are too much used to same baseline bashing

its obvious federer can produce his best for something like 2 sets , but not more than that ....he used to be able to do that almost at will at his prime over 5 sets and had complete confidence in himself so so ......

federer's best tennis was clearly from 04-07 and it was clearly better than what it was in 15 , just because he's compensating with net play and the rest of the tour has much less of a clue on how to deal with varied play ........

yes, fed's tennis in wimby SF and cincy was close to his very best, but the wimby F or USO F, absolutely not ....

at the YEC, he played some good tennis vs djoko in the RR and vs stan in the SF, but not so much in the other 3 matches - vs kei, berdych or vs novak in the final

I have watched federer's tennis at his peak and I don't need a djoko fanboy like you to tell me what his best tennis is , get it ?

who do you think you are trying to fool ? you are basically a djokovic fan trying to prop up federer to make djokovic's competition look better ......

I can assure you, peak fed would've taken out djoko of this year at both wimby and the USO, no question , he wouldn't even need that much net play, he'd have blasted him away from the baseline with his FH ....
 
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These threads aren't useful.
History isn't going to give a crap about the amount of competition in 2006, 2015, 1996, 1984, 1969, or 1929.
All that matters is whether you win something, or you don't.

No extra points are given/taken for competition, five set matches, wind, hawkeye ability, Mono, Pascal Maria, knees, back, wrists, running into the net, French people, percentage of points won/lost, "keys to the match", gluten, "Tier 1" titles, open eras, closed eras, split fields, split ends, fast grass, slow grass, slow clay, fast clay, indoors, outdoors, underground, on the moon, Babolat, Wilson, or an effing frying pan.

If you play Wimbledon, you either walk away with the trophy or you don't.
The same trophy is always given, also. They don't haul out a wooden one instead if someone does/doesn't think Bjorkman was an ATG.
Is that unfair? Maybe. But that's how it is.
If you have tougher competition to face, you can either win anyway, or you're just going to have to settle for less achievements.
You don't get extra compensation for hard luck - what do you think that $2M cheque they just gave them is?
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I'll Take Nole' '15 all day every day.. 34 year old Federer and Stan peaking at the French is still a tougher obstacle than that god awful 2006 field. (outside of Nadal on clay)

2006 was the worst year Ive ever seen in the men's game since watching the men's game since '94
1998 lol.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
he also lost early in shanghai and paris ....

yes, one guy was his problem , in Bo5, because djokovic knows he can outlast him ...that wouldn't have happened in his prime .......

the rest of the field is clearly worse than it was in federer's prime and they are too much used to same baseline bashing

its obvious federer can produce his best for something like 2 sets , but not more than that ....he used to be able to do that almost at will at his prime over 5 sets and had complete confidence in himself so so ......

federer's best tennis was clearly from 04-07 and it was clearly better than what it was in 15 , just because he's compensating with net play and the rest of the tour has much less of a clue on how to deal with varied play ........

yes, fed's tennis in wimby SF and cincy was close to his very best, but the wimby F or USO F, absolutely not ....

at the YEC, he played some good tennis vs djoko in the RR and vs stan in the SF, but not so much in the other 3 matches - vs kei, berdych or vs novak in the final

I have watched federer's tennis at his peak and I don't need a djoko fanboy like you to tell me what his best tennis is , get it ?

who do you think you are trying to fool ? you are basically a djokovic fan trying to prop up federer to make djokovic's competition look better ......

I can assure you, peak fed would've taken out djoko of this year at both wimby and the USO, no question , he wouldn't even need that much net play, he'd have blasted him away from the baseline with his FH ....

Did you even watch the USO final? Federer had 23 BPs, 11 BPs on Novaks SECOND serve. Are you telling me Federers stamina was simply not good enough in order to capitalize on those opportunities? You are delusional. It has nothing to do with Novak knowing he can outlast Fed. Fed was in perfect shape to win that final but he choked too much on the important moments wich is not rare, he has always had problems on BPs.

When Federer was winning three slams a year, he didn't have peak Djokovic to compete with, it was hewitt, Roddick etc so I don't understand how you don't get that Djokovic in best form is a different story than those guys. Fed or djoko can do what they want when they face those guys but playing eachother it simply doesn't exist doing something at their will.

I haven't said he has played better tennis this year than 04-07 you ****, I've said he has played SOME of his best tennis, wich is true, get that into your head and the difference.

I'm very positive you haven't watched much of Federer except watching youtube videos. You are probably 15 years old, atleast looking at how you write. You can't use basic punctuation and capital letters. So I shouldn't really waste my time on a kid who knows basically nothing about Federer.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Did you even watch the USO final? Federer had 23 BPs, 11 BPs on Novaks SECOND serve. Are you telling me Federers stamina was simply not good enough in order to capitalize on those opportunities? You are delusional. It has nothing to do with Novak knowing he can outlast Fed. Fed was in perfect shape to win that final but he choked too much on the important moments wich is not rare, he has always had problems on BPs.

typical, picking the only match among the 3 slam finals they've had in 2014-15 where stamina didn't play that much of a part ..and part of the reason for the choking on BPs was the confidence due to those losses in wimby 14 and 15 finals which were in major part due to stamina ...

peak to peak - federer wins all of those 3 .....


When Federer was winning three slams a year, he didn't have peak Djokovic to compete with, it was hewitt, Roddick etc so I don't understand how you don't get that Djokovic in best form is a different story than those guys. Fed or djoko can do what they want when they face those guys but playing eachother it simply doesn't exist doing something at their will.

and djokovic in 2015 doesn't have peak federer to compete with ..otherwise, he'd have ended up with 0 or 1 slam ( AO )

face it, djoko's peak doesn't come near federer's on any fast court .......

I haven't said he has played better tennis this year than 04-07 you ****, I've said he has played SOME of his best tennis, wich is true, get that into your head and the difference.

and get this into your head, you FAKER, when federer did play close to his best this year, he beat novak - dubai, cincy, YEC ...

when he did play close to his best, wimby SF or cincy , he actually won ...

he didn't play close to that in the matches he lost to Novak and major part of it was federer himself , it wasn't just because of Novak as you pretend it to be

and don't give me the sh*t that I think that federer cannot lose when he plays well - safin AO 05, nadal rome 06 etc are examples of that ....


I'm very positive you haven't watched much of Federer except watching youtube videos. You are probably 15 years old, atleast looking at how you write. You can't use basic punctuation and capital letters. So I shouldn't really waste my time on a kid who knows basically nothing about Federer.

oh, really ? I didn't know this was some essay writing competition, its a forum FFS.

hilarious to see 15 year old stuff coming from a guy who thinks Novak is the most complete player ever with his awkward net play , barely adequate slice ...that sort of stuff can only come from a guy who's just started watching tennis recently...

just because he's got lucky with the conditions being homogenized and his game being suited for these sort of courts, doesn't get him near a country mile of being the most complete player ever ...
 
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StannisTheMannis

Hall of Fame
When you are having such a great season with just 5 losses with 3 or 4 of them to arch rival and that too on clay, the number of top 10 wins hardly matters. You throw in top 10 every match and Fed still wins .

Fed had 10 more wins and 1 less loss and not a shameful 3 losses to 34 year old. 1 more title as well. Masters win coming in BO 5.

You guys need to give it up.
You...are severely misguided.
 

Tony48

Legend
actually its fairly simple, but you are in denial ..murray and wawrinka are clearly and I repeat clearly easier than nadal on clay, yes, even for djokovic ...so if djokovic goes to 5 vs murray and loses in 4 vs stan, its safe to say he loses to prime nadal as well .......

So basically you just ignored what I said. Cool. I'll iust apply your logic to another scenario to perk your ears up.

Blake and Monoco are clearly -- and I repeat --clearly easier than Nadal on hard, yes even for Federer. So if Federer loses in a final to Nadal, it's safe to say that he loses to prime Blake and Monaco as well.....

Herp derp
 
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