Djokovic a weak returner?

[helloworld]

Yes, I'm sure they'd love to return serves that are a dozen miles faster than most of the serves they've seen, and served from a greater height to produce sharper angles. Obviously.

Do you actually know what you're talking about, or do you just like to shake your fist and tell kids to get off your lawn? Are you aware that racquet and string technology has improved in recent years? Are you aware that this helps people serve faster and more accurately? Are you aware that people still serve from the same baseline?

None of the servers today come even remotely close to the level of 90s great servers like Sampras, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, etc.

 

[Federer20042006]

None of the servers today come even remotely close to the level of 90s great servers like Sampras, Ivanisevic, Krajicek, etc.

In terms of pure serves, the top servers today are better than those guys.

The problem is, their games are no where near as complete. Isner and Karlovic are are a joke. Raonic is better than those two clowns, but not by all that much.

Roddick was underrated from the ground, but his serve wasn't as good as Isner/Karlovic/Raonic, nor Ivanisevic/Sampras/Krajicek.

 

[djokovic2008]

Nole struggling with a big server again today. Del Potro winning over 70% of points on his serve.

The match is still ongoing and either man could win so there's no spoiler and once the match is over let this thread die for 24 hours and I'll bump it then.

The weakest part of Djoker's game is his return of serve and whenever he loses or struggles it's usually to a big server, he is not in the same league as Federer or Murray in this aspect of the game. He can't return aggressively. His floaty short returns are easily put away by the power playing big servers.

Lol you still have the stupidity to continue this thread? Even after today, you need to try and find something djoker is bad at. I'll help you it's the smash now make a thread about that and save your embarrassment.

 

[Brian72]

Check these stats out. I don't think you can extrapolate from one match whether or not someone has a good return of serve. It's the consistency through out the year.

Also, keep in mind that Nadal's stats are heavily weighted with the clay court season where serving has less of an impact on the outcome.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx

Also note that Federer is not in the top 10 in any ROS category for the 2012 season.

To say that Djokovic has a weak return of serve is nuts.

On the other had, look at the stats for Service Games. Nole is in the top 10 in six of the Statistical categories.

If anything, it is Nole's serve that is a weakness. Like Andre Agassi and even Nadal, a week serve can be mitigated by a great ground game.

 

[TTMR]

Nole struggling with a big server again today. Del Potro winning over 70% of points on his serve.

The match is still ongoing and either man could win so there's no spoiler and once the match is over let this thread die for 24 hours and I'll bump it then.

The weakest part of Djoker's game is his return of serve and whenever he loses or struggles it's usually to a big server, he is not in the same league as Federer or Murray in this aspect of the game. He can't return aggressively. His floaty short returns are easily put away by the power playing big servers.

Yep, Djokovic is a weak returner. Also, Jimmy Connors hit harder than most top players today.

 

[zagor]

BeHappy trolling as usual, ROS is one of Novak's biggest strengths in his game.

 

[helloworld]

He's weak against returning huge serve, but very good at returning weak serve.

 

[Gonzo_style]

He's weak against returning huge serve, but very good at returning weak serve.

I agree, he showed today.

 

[TheF1Bob]

LOL at this thread. Good trolling.

 

[dominikk1985]

In terms of pure serves, the top servers today are better than those guys.

The problem is, their games are no where near as complete. Isner and Karlovic are are a joke. Raonic is better than those two clowns, but not by all that much.

Roddick was underrated from the ground, but his serve wasn't as good as Isner/Karlovic/Raonic, nor Ivanisevic/Sampras/Krajicek.

I agree. ivo, raonic and isner have higher hold rates than sampras or becker (even federer) despite the slower surfaces.

Nole is a great returner but he tends to lose his serve sometimes. usually he gets that break back very quickly but guys like isner, roddick or karlovic are not easily broken even by guys like nole, agassi or federer.

thus nole can lose sometimes against those guys.

 

[rommil]

Nole is a great returner....better than either Fed or Rafa.

It's about 6 months and Rafa still has to return

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Ferrer is the new Nadal.

 

[Huanita99]

Nole is great at punishing slow, spinny serves (so usually second serves), but not that good at returning fast serves.

Federer is great at returning huge serves with interest (like Roddick's) and is capable of punishing second serves like Djokovic (but strangely not often enough).

My feeling with Nadal is that he goes for the "get the ball in play"-approach on all serves, which is not at all efficient, but on the upside (or downside depending on who you are), can get his racquet on just about everything.

yes, Fed is the bestest at everything. Fed has the biggest nose on the tour, I"ll give you that, lol. Fed's ROS is not even close to Novaks, watch the match between Novak/Delpotro and you might figure it out. some of you Fed fans are unbelievable. Fed this, Fed that, it's really getting boring.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Are you aware that I´m always talking of equal conditions? that courts are considerable slower than before? a 120 mph serve on old grass could be harder to retrieve than a 150 mph on current grass...

But that has nothing to do with the pure quality of the serving itself. Maybe it would be more fitting to say they would love to return serve on todays courts?

I doubt any of them would salivate at the prospect of returning a John Isner first serve. His serve is a monster.

 

[beast of mallorca]

LOL at this thread. Good trolling.

Shame on them F1Bob for out trolling you !