Djokovic and Alcaraz draw - Wimbledon 2023

[dr325i]

Horrific draw as expected. Almost makes me sick, really.

They apparently aren't tired of this same 36 year old man winning their tournament for the 5th time in a row

when the most exciting player to appear in the last 10 years has arrived on the scene.

Whatta farce

Yes, the draw was rigged. Same machines used in November 2020 did it again

 

[socallefty]

Just watched a replay of the 2022 Wimbledon final. Feel like Djokovic played at a much higher level at the AO and FO this year primarily because of hitting his FH much bigger. The man is actually improving at the age of 36. Do we need to care about his draw?

 

[mike danny]

Although you are correct he did go through Nadal and Federer (who were beating everyone else as well). The Big 3 reigned supreme.

But that poster acted like he overcame peak Fedal all the time. He didn't. His last 15 slams came against their older declined selves.

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Just watched a replay of the 2022 Wimbledon final. Feel like Djokovic played at a much higher level at the AO and FO this year primarily because of hitting his FH much bigger. The man is actually improving at the age of 36. Do we need to care about his draw?

Still there are some dangerous players able to take an advantage of Djokovic having a bad day. It would be a bit Querreyesque.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I'm not even sure Trump's PR team could bend reality to this degree. Nice job!
Oh wait, you're serious - are you?

Actually he has a point just because these guys actually matchup well... Sinner is known to play Djokovic pretty equally, Wawrinka is known to be a Djokovic main rival who has severely challenged him in grand slams in the past, Bublik is playing so good and unconventionally if he keeps it up he will challenge Djokovic, and Musetti is known to give Djokovic trouble I remember seeing him owning him in practice once

 

[SonnyT]

But that poster acted like he overcame peak Fedal all the time. He didn't. His last 15 slams came against their older declined selves.

The Wimbledon where Djokovic beat Federer in 2019 was his 15th. So there was only 8 such slams.

People turn over and retire, and yet some cry about it!

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Yes, the draw was rigged. Same machines used in November 2020 did it again

That Wimbledom machine sure is murder - almost as bad as the Rolandom one…

 

[SonnyT]

But that poster acted like he overcame peak Fedal all the time. He didn't. His last 15 slams came against their older declined selves.

If the opposition was so weak, why didn't Nadal take advantage to win all those titles? Why did he have to wait for Djokovic to be banned from AO, to win it?

I got it. The opposition was too weak for Djokovic, but not for anyone else to win in his stead!

 

[helterskelter]

Nobody cares about that. Djokovic already proved he is a bit better than his two big rivals. So what if he wins some easier titles from now on? He's been beating Nadal and Federer in slams for over 10 years prior to that. Even at RG Djokovic beat Nadal twice. Federer stopped beating Djokovic in slams since 2012 Wimby I think.

So what if Djokovic wins some easier slams, he did it the hard way by smashing Nadal and Federer many times before that.

I agree that if he ends up with like 30 slams he's not that much better than Federer and Nadal, but he is still better. Anyone can see that despite their personal preferrence for a certain style of play.

Nobody cares that we're living in the weakest era of all possible worlds? That would be utterly deplorable if it were true, and I can see why you would come to such a gloomy conclusion if you took your evidence from the blather of the commentators! But remember that they are basically in the marketing business and even they don't believe a word that they spout. Fortunately, many of the excellent writers, researchers, and scholars on this message board not only show us how much people do care about the weak era but also push our understanding of it to ever greater heights on a daily basis! So, I am much more optimistic than you are about this concerning question, and it is all thanks to TTW!

 

[Tweener]

That Wimbledom machine sure is murder - almost as bad as the Rolandom one…

The Rolandex?

 

[SonnyT]

So we came to the same conclusion: the slams are utterly easy for Djokovic, but not anyone else.

Same conclusion for Federer: he was too old to play Djokovic, but not anyone else.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

So we came to the same conclusion: the slams are utterly easy for Djokovic, but not anyone else.

Same conclusion for Federer: he was too old to play Djokovic, but not anyone else.

This is quite simple, Federer can get away with age vs anyone else but versus another contender for best ever you can't afford to be 6 years older

 

[Silverbullet96]

Same conclusion for Federer: he was too old to play Djokovic, but not anyone else.

Never have I seen any Federer fan say Federer was young when facing non-Djokovic opponents.

 

[Chanwan]

Djoko got Sinner in his section. Wawrinka, Rublev/Bublik, Musetti. It has potential to be off the chain!

Potential being the key word here. It's going to be a cakewalk as per usual. Sinner has never got that far anyway

But you are joking, right? Right?

 

[FeroBango]

Just watched a replay of the 2022 Wimbledon final. Feel like Djokovic played at a much higher level at the AO and FO this year primarily because of hitting his FH much bigger. The man is actually improving at the age of 36. Do we need to care about his draw?

This is slightly similar to the first half of Federer's 2017. He was legitimately doing many things better than before in that beautiful phase.

 

[Alcaraz takeover]

Where is @Kralingen that was claiming Djokovic's draw was tougher or just as tough as Alcaraz. Throw common sense out of the window, sure love to be contrarian for the sake of it.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Both have tough draws

 

[Kralingen]

Where is @Kralingen that was claiming Djokovic's draw was tougher or just as tough as Alcaraz. Throw common sense out of the window, sure love to be contrarian for the sake of it.

Jarry performed pretty well, he’s been tougher so far. Berrettini also was someone I didn’t expect to even make it out of the first round… did you see him in Stuttgart? The guy lost lopsidedly left the court in tears and gave an interview saying he didn’t know if he would even play Wimbledon. He was looking incredibly shaky. Good for him to make it.


Personally though let’s see how it unfolds. Hurkacz is a massive serve-volleyer, Bublik won Halle and is possesses one of the 5 biggest serves on tour, he is probably the most in-form grass player this season. And then Sinner to me is tougher than any semi finalist on Carlos’s side.

Additionally the 3R/4R on Carlos’s half are likely the toughest matches he has to play period. The QF is going to either be Dimitrov or Rune and honestly neither strike fear into my heart at all. Rune is heavily flawed still. Dimitrov is Dimitrov. SF who even knows but Tsitsipas or Medvedev have zero grass pedigree.

I feel like Carlos is more than equipped to take down all of these guys.

Why so salty brah?