Djokovic and Federer are so far ahead of everybody else right now

TheFifthSet

Legend
Djoko is still 2nd tier.. So you are making hay when Nadal hasn't played a full season

What the hell do their career accomplishments have to do with this thread?

OP was right in stating that RIGHT NOW, Fed and Djokovic are far ahead of the field, especially on hardcourts, which is sort of relevant considering the HC season is right around the corner. Nadal hasn't won a tournament in 6 months. Fedkovic have won, what, 9 in the past 6 months? This thread was praising them rather than bashing Nadal.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Sure, but that doesn't mean Djokovic and Federer are "so far ahead" of him. In order for that to really be true, you'd have to really favour either Federer or Djokovic to win the AO while not giving much a chance to Nadal, but we all know that's not true. It's not like his level just dropped off a cliff (like Murray for example), he just doesn't sustain a high level for as long right now, but he definitely has a shot at the AO next year.

To be clear, I give Federer and Djokovic major props for their consistency, and would prefer it not to be downplayed, but that doesn't mean Nadal can't beat them when he does play at a high level no matter how short a period of time that is.

Good rational post. Let's be honest, if Nadal is good enough to make it to Federer and Djokovic at the AO 2015, how many people would seriously count Nadal out? That would be suicidal. We know Nadal's record vs Federer at the AO is 3-0 and Nadal has only played Djokovic once at the AO and it was a six hour match with Djokovic barely squeaking out the win. Of course barring something drastic Nadal IS on the same level as Federer and Djokovic despite the fact that Nadal has been out with injury for half the year. Every other player is still far away from those three.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Good rational post. Let's be honest, if Nadal is good enough to make it to Federer and Djokovic at the AO 2015, how many people would seriously count Nadal out? That would be suicidal. We know Nadal's record vs Federer at the AO is 3-0 and Nadal has only played Djokovic once at the AO and it was a six hour match with Djokovic barely squeaking out the win. Of course barring something drastic Nadal IS on the same level as Federer and Djokovic despite the fact that Nadal has been out with injury for half the year. Every other player is still far away from those three.

Nadal isn't in the equation right now cc0. It's all about Fedovic! :)
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal isn't in the equation right now cc0. It's all about Fedovic! :)

That is only because he has been absent. You wait and see. ;) It is hard to envision a scenario where Nadal would not be competitive vs Federer and Djokovic at the biggest events unless something drastic happens.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
I know fully well that there is only so much a 33 year old can do.

But we cannot take away the results he has had. 3000 + points difference over the next higher competitor at this age is rare, if not impossible.

It's not impossible when the next higher competitor couldn't play for half of the season due to bad luck.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
It's not impossible when the next higher competitor couldn't play for half of the season due to bad luck.

No bad luck excuse. The same physique helps him win 14 majors. You cannot have both ways.

Any tournament he abstains is first round loss.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
I don't think losing to 33 year old Federer is anything to be ashamed of T_0. Roger's still a great player as his #2 ranking shows! :)

I'm not saying it's something to be ashamed of. Perhaps comprehension isn't your strong point.

All I'm saying is, at age 33, it seemed that Roger was still too young for prime Djokovic to dominate, so we'll see what happens in 2015...
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
No bad luck excuse. The same physique helps him win 14 majors. You cannot have both ways.

Any tournament he abstains is first round loss.

Oh come on, appendix has nothing to do with it, it's just pure bad luck. So was the wrist injury he got while hitting a BH during training.

Nothing to do with a 'taxing' play style that he chooses to play...
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I'm not saying it's something to be ashamed of. Perhaps comprehension isn't your strong point.

All I'm saying is, at age 33, it seemed that Roger was still too young for prime Djokovic to dominate, so we'll see what happens in 2015...

you implied it, and most people would have interpreted it that way. I definitely did. Perhaps not being a pompous a ss isn't your strong suit.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I'm not saying it's something to be ashamed of. Perhaps comprehension isn't your strong point.

All I'm saying is, at age 33, it seemed that Roger was still too young for prime Djokovic to dominate, so we'll see what happens in 2015...

Ooh you are a sarcastic so and so T_O. You become a very naughty boy when you enter this forum! :grin:
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
you implied it, and most people would have interpreted it that way. I definitely did. Perhaps not being a pompous a ss isn't your strong suit.

That's because you fail at comprehending as well.

Did prime Novak dominate 33 year old Federer? No, he didn't.

Will he dominate 34 year old Federer? Maybe, we'll have to wait and see.

Should Novak be ashamed? No, it is what it is, he just wasn't capable of doing it.

It's just that sensitive insecure clowns like you two don't have any clue how to read things properly.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
That's because you fail at comprehending as well.

Did prime Novak dominate 33 year old Federer? No, he didn't.

Will he dominate 34 year old Federer? Maybe, we'll have to wait and see.

Should Novak be ashamed? No, it is what it is, he just wasn't capable of doing it.

It's just that sensitive insecure clowns like you two don't have any clue how to read things properly.

LOL, you obviously wouldn't have even mentioned Federer's age in the first place if you weren't trying to be sarcastic. You can't bullsh@t a bullsh@tter mate! :lol:
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
I better keep out of this therapy you are all having and go and read about Nadal's h2hs.

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Group Therapy
Doesn't detract from what Federer has done this year or in his career.

All that matters is the titles, h2h means ****.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
That's because you fail at comprehending as well.

Did prime Novak dominate 33 year old Federer? No, he didn't.

Will he dominate 34 year old Federer? Maybe, we'll have to wait and see.

Should Novak be ashamed? No, it is what it is, he just wasn't capable of doing it.

It's just that sensitive insecure clowns like you two don't have any clue how to read things properly.

What do I have to be insecure of? They're two of my favorite players. No horse in this race. Nice beaks though. Really got me good. Moreover, nobody said anything about Djokovic DOMINATING Federer. YOU seem to have concocted that out of thin air.

Let's see if prime Djokovic can handle 34 year old Federer. 33 Seemed a bit too young for him to deal with...


Handle =\= dominate, according to you, you backtracking virtuoso.

I apologize for having the temerity to make a perfectly reasonable inference, and for drawing your ire by doing so. I'm such a dense fool.
 
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Sentinel

Bionic Poster
I really enjoyed watching the set they played today at the IPTL - fantastic quality tennis as usual from these two guys even though it was only an exhibition. These two are so far ahead of all the other players right now it's ridiculous.

I can't wait for more high quality Fedovic matches next year! :)

There there ! You've upset an entire fan base with one sentence, lol.

Yes, the quality of some matches was great. Nole is ahead of the others, but i would not say Fred is ridiculously ahead of the others. And Rafa is very much going to be back shortly to take his #2 position (IMO) (as long as his various body parts can hold up, hehe).

IPTL was good to pass a few days during the off-season. I worry how are Fedovic going to get their training in, with this one-set stuff going on. There's still the Singapore leg.
 

kandamrgam

Hall of Fame
There there ! You've upset an entire fan base with one sentence, lol.

Yes, the quality of some matches was great. Nole is ahead of the others, but i would not say Fred is ridiculously ahead of the others. And Rafa is very much going to be back shortly to take his #2 position (IMO) (as long as his various body parts can hold up, hehe).

IPTL was good to pass a few days during the off-season. I worry how are Fedovic going to get their training in, with this one-set stuff going on. There's still the Singapore leg.

I think the Dubai leg.
 

Chico

Banned
I really enjoyed watching the set they played today at the IPTL - fantastic quality tennis as usual from these two guys even though it was only an exhibition. These two are so far ahead of all the other players right now it's ridiculous.

I can't wait for more high quality Fedovic matches next year! :)

Disagree. Djokovic and only Djokovic is so far ahead of everyone else.
Fed is distant second and then everyone else is behind him.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Have to agree with this, although Federer's shock and awe tactics to beat Djokovic a few months ago was a win for strategy over skill.


Disagree. Djokovic and only Djokovic is so far ahead of everyone else.
Fed is distant second and then everyone else is behind him.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Disagree. Djokovic and only Djokovic is so far ahead of everyone else.
Fed is distant second and then everyone else is behind him.

If Nole is far ahead of Federer then Becker wouldn't be so paranoid about Federer poses a threat to Nole for world #1.
 

sunny_cali

Semi-Pro
Chico, it ended a tie I suppose. Score was 6-6. What weird scoring system!!

No. Federer "won" his individual set with Djokovic 6-5.

The net set score was 27-22 at the time. According to the rules, Fed's team could still win if they won 6 games in a row, whereas Novak's team needed just 1 game, so they played out 1 game on Novak's serve which he won.

BTW, it was a fairly hard-fought set of aggressive tennis - neither of them were in exho mode. Fed made a sick OH ( I have to question just how much of a "back-injury" he had after seeing that shot :)), and Djoker fluffed one. I'd recommend folks who missed it to give it a watch -- good off-season set of tennis.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Er, Djokovic is far ahead. Fed not so much. When was the last time he won a slam? (Unless you just mean in terms of points but it seems obvious to me the story would have been very different if Nadal had played summer hard in 2014...)
 

roundiesee

Hall of Fame
No. Federer "won" his individual set with Djokovic 6-5.

The net set score was 27-22 at the time. According to the rules, Fed's team could still win if they won 6 games in a row, whereas Novak's team needed just 1 game, so they played out 1 game on Novak's serve which he won.

BTW, it was a fairly hard-fought set of aggressive tennis - neither of them were in exho mode. Fed made a sick OH ( I have to question just how much of a "back-injury" he had after seeing that shot :)), and Djoker fluffed one. I'd recommend folks who missed it to give it a watch -- good off-season set of tennis.

Thanks for explaining! :)
 

Chico

Banned
Chico, it ended a tie I suppose. Score was 6-6. What weird scoring system!!

The IPTL rules are so confusing; does any one know why and how the score can be 6-6?

No. Federer "won" his individual set with Djokovic 6-5.

The net set score was 27-22 at the time. According to the rules, Fed's team could still win if they won 6 games in a row, whereas Novak's team needed just 1 game, so they played out 1 game on Novak's serve which he won.

BTW, it was a fairly hard-fought set of aggressive tennis - neither of them were in exho mode. Fed made a sick OH ( I have to question just how much of a "back-injury" he had after seeing that shot :)), and Djoker fluffed one. I'd recommend folks who missed it to give it a watch -- good off-season set of tennis.

LOL. The IPTL is immensely stupid competition. A very bad thing for tennis overall. Whoever came up with this ridiculous things should be put to eternal shame.

Sad that top payers decided to participate. I guess money was just too good.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
LOL. The IPTL is immensely stupid competition. A very bad thing for tennis overall. Whoever came up with this ridiculous things should be put to eternal shame.

Sad that top payers decided to participate. I guess money was just too good.

What is sad is that certain people cannot see that promoting the game in potentially huge markets can never be a bad thing.
 

Chico

Banned
What is sad is that certain people cannot see that promoting the game in potentially huge markets can never be a bad thing.

This is a wrong way to promote the game. Why not play proper sets and use proper official rules. Why invent some ridiculous stupid rules that make no sense. That is not "promoting the game" of tennis.

That is promoting some circus tennis-like nonsense thing. Useless.
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
This is a wrong way to promote the game. Why not play proper sets and use proper official rules. Why invent some ridiculous stupid rules that make no sense. That is not "promoting the game" of tennis.

That is promoting some circus tennis-like nonsense thing. Useless.

Chico, no amount of sugar-coating it will suffice, you're hopeless in every sense. If up until 2014 tennis hasn't taken hold in a cricket-mad country of over a billion, then certainly a different angle has to be tried. Promotions do not have to showcase the end product. Something you can see at every major car show.
 

Chico

Banned
Chico, no amount of sugar-coating it will suffice, you're hopeless in every sense. If up until 2014 tennis hasn't taken hold in a cricket-mad country of over a billion, then certainly a different angle has to be tried. Promotions do not have to showcase the end product. Something you can see at every major car show.

Why do people have a need to insult me when their opinion differs than mine (and is incorrect BTW) is beyond me. Don't help their argument at all. Just makes them look petty and rude.

Oh well, to each their own.

Anyway. If tennis didn't "take hold" so far, this kind of "promotion" is useless and do not help advance tennis popularity. It will not win a since "cricket-mad" fan for the real tennis.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Why do people have a need to insult me when their opinion differs than mine (and is incorrect BTW) is beyond me. Don't help their argument at all. Just makes them look petty and rude.

Oh well, to each their own.

Anyway. If tennis didn't "take hold" so far, this kind of "promotion" is useless and do not help advance tennis popularity. It will not win a since "cricket-mad" fan for the real tennis.

Clearly you didn't hear the crowd.
 

Chico

Banned
^^^^ Has nothing to do with tennis and tennis popularity. As said, this is circus and some people like circus. But I bet not many will come to watch this same thing again. It might be interesting once and that is it.

No need to make WWF of tennis. No thanks. Keep the real thing.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
Let's be honest, if Nadal comes back healthy it is still

1/2- Djokovic/Nadal.
daylight
3- Federer.
more daylight
the rest
 

kandamrgam

Hall of Fame
No. Federer "won" his individual set with Djokovic 6-5.

The net set score was 27-22 at the time. According to the rules, Fed's team could still win if they won 6 games in a row, whereas Novak's team needed just 1 game, so they played out 1 game on Novak's serve which he won.

BTW, it was a fairly hard-fought set of aggressive tennis - neither of them were in exho mode. Fed made a sick OH ( I have to question just how much of a "back-injury" he had after seeing that shot :)), and Djoker fluffed one. I'd recommend folks who missed it to give it a watch -- good off-season set of tennis.

Oh goodness me, didnt know that! What rules! Bhupathi must be smacked on his head!
 

sunny_cali

Semi-Pro
^^^^ Has nothing to do with tennis and tennis popularity. As said, this is circus and some people like circus. But I bet not many will come to watch this same thing again. It might be interesting once and that is it.

No need to make WWF of tennis. No thanks. Keep the real thing.

Some rules were clearly silly and overboard. Nevertheless the tennis itself was pretty good. Neither Fed nor Djok wanted to lose their singles match and Fed was desperate to win his doubles with La Monf as well -- all in all it was fairly intense good tennis.

Oh goodness me, didnt know that! What rules! Bhupathi must be smacked on his head!

Yes, the team in the lead needing to win the last game is silly. Federer checked out after he won the set 6-5.

Yes -- several rules were silly. I am not sure I liked the no-let rule. Novak benefited a few times from it. The "powerwhatever" rule where you could win 2 points with a single point seemed overboard. And Fed letting the time out run out with 20 seconds remaining was also silly.

Bhupathi deserves some kudos for trying out something new, and a few brickbats for silly rules :)
 

sunny_cali

Semi-Pro
Let's be honest, if Nadal comes back healthy it is still

1/2- Djokovic/Nadal.
daylight
3- Federer.
more daylight
the rest

this sounds about right. Except that I am not sure there is that much daylight between Fed and the rest.
 

kandamrgam

Hall of Fame
This is a wrong way to promote the game. Why not play proper sets and use proper official rules. Why invent some ridiculous stupid rules that make no sense. That is not "promoting the game" of tennis.

That is promoting some circus tennis-like nonsense thing. Useless.

I am with you too generally. My take:

- I believe IPTL is a good thing. A year end promotion series is good. Players have the freedom to opt.

- but some of the rules were so silly. I do not think "power point" or similar rules attract more fans. All those have come there were already who knows good proper tennis.

- this series can be used to "test" things that has a pressing demand from a wider circle. Like letting let on serve was great since it was often asked for. And similar things.
 
Did anybody notice Novak's overhead in the last rubber? Lol!

Score was 5-5 between Nole and Rogi, and then in the TB Nole gives a minibreak by hitting an overhead long. It was a "power point" which means the minibreak Federer earned gave him two points.

:lol: Nole's overhead! :lol:

And did you pay attention to his ridiculous sleep-mode in the doubles? Nole has NO natural talent for volleying, he's just a baseline player, as simple as that.
 

kandamrgam

Hall of Fame
:lol: Nole's overhead! :lol:

And did you pay attention to his ridiculous sleep-mode in the doubles? Nole has NO natural talent for volleying, he's just a baseline player, as simple as that.

No I had not watched the doubles. Nole's volleys are much better compared to his slices imo ;) I am one of those guys who believe Nole volleys are decent, though not in the league of "Murderer". Has a much better sense of approaches than Nadal or Federer.

I liked Bopanna's game. Can volley.
 
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No I had not watched the doubles. Nole's volleys are much better compared to his slices imo ;) I am one of those guys who believe Nole volleys are decent, though not in the league of "Murderer". Has a much better sense of approaches than Nadal or Federer.

I liked Bopanna's game. Can volley.

Actually Nole volleys better in singles than in doubles. I guess it's all about the quality of his approaches, in singles he's not forced to hit so tough volleys as in doubles.
 

kandamrgam

Hall of Fame
Actually Nole volleys better in singles than in doubles. I guess it's all about the quality of his approaches, in singles he's not forced to hit so tough volleys as in doubles.

Fair point. Didnt see that. I also loved Monfil's volleys. The guy has touch and class!
 

ultradr

Legend
If all of Murray, Tsonga, Del Potro, and Nadal get fully recovered from injury/surgery,
I think we will have very different picture in 2015.
 
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