Djokovic and Federer are so far ahead of everybody else right now

Sysyphus

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If all of Murray, Tsonga, Del Potro, and Nadal get fully recovered from injury/surgery,
I think we will have very different picture in 2015.

Has Tsonga been seriously injured since Toronto? Forgive my blurred memory. I agree very much that Murray and Nadal will (likely) do very well in '15.
 

pame

Hall of Fame
I am with you too generally. My take:

- I believe IPTL is a good thing. A year end promotion series is good. Players have the freedom to opt.

- but some of the rules were so silly. I do not think "power point" or similar rules attract more fans. All those have come there were already who knows good proper tennis.

- this series can be used to "test" things that has a pressing demand from a wider circle. Like letting let on serve was great since it was often asked for. And similar things.

Even as someone who has followed traditional tennis from mid-sixties, I thoroughly enjoyed the power point - just sayin'
 

Steve0904

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Even as someone who has followed traditional tennis from mid-sixties, I thoroughly enjoyed the power point - just sayin'

I also like the power point. It makes the point doubly important. I'm not a big fan of having to play lets or having to win the last game if your team loses the last set/game, but it's a nice format overall IMO.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Nole is at the top as expected since he's in his prime, but Federer at 33 is phenomenal. Nadal suppose to join Nole but I guess he isn't good enough to keep up.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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bah stale old smelly thread. True OP statement tho lol.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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Right now there is a big 2 (Djoker and Fed) and a bunch of challengers that can't really compete with them (Andy, Kei, Rafa, Raonic, Berd). Djoker and Fed will prob win 90% of the tourneys they both enter this year.

Djoker is in the mid/tail of his prime and Fed in in the mid/tail of his second wind. Much respect to Fed for finding a way to remain top 2 at age 34. Djoker could potentially do it as well but kinda doubtful with his style of play. Rafa no chance.
 
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Right now there is a big 2 (Djoker and Fed) and a bunch of challengers that can't really compete with them (Andy, Kei, Rafa, Raonic, Berd). Djoker and Fed will prob win 90% of the tourneys they both enter this year.

Djoker is in the mid/tail of his prime and Fed in in the mid/tail of his second wind. Much respect to Fed for finding a way to remain top 2 at age 34. Djoker could potentially do it as well but kinda doubtful with his style of play. Rafa no chance.

Very good post.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Right now there is a big 2 (Djoker and Fed) and a bunch of challengers that can't really compete with them (Andy, Kei, Rafa, Raonic, Berd). Djoker and Fed will prob win 90% of the tourneys they both enter this year.

Djoker is in the mid/tail of his prime and Fed in in the mid/tail of his second wind. Much respect to Fed for finding a way to remain top 2 at age 34. Djoker could potentially do it as well but kinda doubtful with his style of play. Rafa no chance.

It certainly seems that way but we still have to bear in mind that the only 2 players to make a Slam final this year are Djokovic and Murray, not Djokovic and Federer. Federer is certainly goating in best of 3 matches at the moment but the jury is still out whether he can still hack it in best of 5 matches and so whether he will make another Slam final this year!

Djokovic, however, is undisputed #1 and probably playing the best tennis of his life right now. He is the player to beat in all the big tournaments, Slams and Masters!
 

Feather

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Nole is at the top as expected since he's in his prime, but Federer at 33 is phenomenal. Nadal suppose to join Nole but I guess he isn't good enough to keep up.

You are actually a disgrace for Roger Federer fans :) just saying
 

robert.s

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Djokovic really took over since 2010. He's building himself some nice domination over the field, even though he's lost some majors, his performance overall has been the best since 2010. Federer is still great enough to win a 2/3 against anyone, and most tournaments are 2/3, so, as long as he wins those games, he'll be in top 4 even if he'll be eliminated before quarterfinals in 3 of the 4 slams. Hard Court Masters are pretty important in the tour ATM and there are quite a few of these, nice to see Federer being a real threat in those A- events.
 
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Steve0904

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Count out Nadal. Count him out even more.

We know how this works for him :)

To be fair, no one has actually "counted out" Nadal since the thread was bumped again, but clearly the OP's statement still applies almost 4 months after the fact.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Mainad, so Djokovic is superior now to 2011?

I think, in some respects, he may well be. Following his loss earlier, Murray commented that Djokovic just never seems to miss these days compared to formerly, and I am presuming he included 2011 in that. Even in 2011, Murray was reasonably competitive with Djokovic. Now he can scarcely win a game against him. Whilst some of this may well be in his head, Djokovic just seems to be on a very high level at the moment and only Federer looks like being able to be competitive with him in the big matches!
 

robert.s

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Murray is just a bad matchup for Djokovic. The only way you could beat Djokovic is hit him with variety and with very accurate strokes (close to the line). Federer does so well vs Djokovic because he is able to dictate points and mix things up. Most tennis players don't go for the line because they risk losing the point. There are far too many players that play with a safety limit, don't go for the extra precision because of the risk involved in taking such a shot. Federer is one of the last players, Wawrinka also, maybe Tsonga or Del Potro as well, who go for winners constantly. Federer is able to hit the most unreturnable balls in men's tennis even to this day (not counting aces here) and in the overall picture, attacking tennis is what you'd want to play vs Djokovic.
 

SpinToWin

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I think, in some respects, he may well be. Following his loss earlier, Murray commented that Djokovic just never seems to miss these days compared to formerly, and I am presuming he included 2011 in that. Even in 2011, Murray was reasonably competitive with Djokovic. Now he can scarcely win a game against him. Whilst some of this may well be in his head, Djokovic just seems to be on a very high level at the moment and only Federer looks like being able to be competitive with him in the big matches!

Mainad, sorry, but no. Murray is just playing significantly worse in all areas in comparison to 2011.

Djokovic is not playing the best tennis of his career.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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I think, in some respects, he may well be. Following his loss earlier, Murray commented that Djokovic just never seems to miss these days compared to formerly, and I am presuming he included 2011 in that. Even in 2011, Murray was reasonably competitive with Djokovic. Now he can scarcely win a game against him. Whilst some of this may well be in his head, Djokovic just seems to be on a very high level at the moment and only Federer looks like being able to be competitive with him in the big matches!

I agree. This is about as good as Nole has been if you think about his results from IW 2014 to now. His level of play in this period is certainly comparable to 2011-AO 2012.
 

Mainad

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Mainad, sorry, but no. Murray is just playing significantly worse in all areas in comparison to 2011.

Djokovic is not playing the best tennis of his career.


Maybe you're right. He certainly doesn't seem to have recovered his 2012-2013 Slam and OG winning form....yet!
 

spinovic

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Murray looked as good as ever for 6 matches and 2 sets in the 2015 Aussie Open. Since then the wheels have fallen off. Not sure what the issue is, but I think he will get back on track at some point this year. And, despite the beat down today, a SF at Indian Wells is a pretty good result for not playing your best tennis. He has never been great there, so maybe it's just one of those events/surfaces that he struggles with.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I certainly hope Murray finds his best form again.

So do I (although we may have to prepare ourselves for the possibility that it might never happen)!


Murray looked as good as ever for 6 matches and 2 sets in the 2015 Aussie Open. Since then the wheels have fallen off. Not sure what the issue is, but I think he will get back on track at some point this year. And, despite the beat down today, a SF at Indian Wells is a pretty good result for not playing your best tennis. He has never been great there, so maybe it's just one of those events/surfaces that he struggles with.

Maybe it's just part of the malaise he usually goes though after losing an AO final. The worrying thing though is that he was playing well up to the semi-final and then fell apart against Djokovic. Has he just lost his nerve when facing him and Federer? :-?
 

FedererDropShot

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How I see it:

Slams:
- Djokovic is outright favourite at 3 of the 4. If he loses to a non-''Big 3/Big 4'' player, it's clearly a huge upset.
- It's a big 2 at RG. Djokovic and Nadal.

WTF:
- Definitely a big 2 of Djokovic and Federer.

Masters (and 500s):
- For HC, it's a big 2 - Djokovic and Federer.
- For clay, it's a big 2 - Djokovic and Nadal.

What's the key message?

Djokovic is far ahead of everybody else in BO3 and BO5.

Roger is far ahead of everybody else in BO3.
 

britam25

Hall of Fame
I really enjoyed watching the set they played today at the IPTL - fantastic quality tennis as usual from these two guys even though it was only an exhibition. These two are so far ahead of all the other players right now it's ridiculous.

I can't wait for more high quality Fedovic matches next year! :)

Agreed, perfect result on the men's side: my 2 favorite players in the final, and my least 3 players picked off, one by one, late in the tournament: Berdych, Nadal, and Murray. Fed looks like the Fed of old, not old Fed.
 

Steve0904

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I hope Rafa and Sir Andrew find their form again soon.

I think Murray is in trouble tbh. The efforts he gives against Novak are pathetic. It just seems like he's a level or two below Djokovic and Federer atm. He might beat Nadal on a HC if they played right now, but I believe Nadal will find some form again, and if that is the case, he'll be better than Murray too.

In the simplest terms, Nadal's an all-time great, Murray's a great player.
 
Agreed, perfect result on the men's side: my 2 favorite players in the final, and my least 3 players picked off, one by one, late in the tournament: Berdych, Nadal, and Murray. Fed looks like the Fed of old, not old Fed.


Yup!!... Win win all the way baby.It ensures at lease one of them wins a title which is great with me and allows the other to somewhat consolidates their points accrued from last year.End result,it allows them to continue to perch themselves in the Top 2 rankings and avoid each other in the finals.


Was sick to death of all those semi final meetings they head time and time again they had a few years back in slams and other important tournaments.One took the other one out and then a player that was on the side of the draw was the benefactor of that... not anymore baby ;)
 
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Federer has declined every year since 2001. It's amazing how he is still competitive today.
 
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