Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Cesc Fabregas, Nov 29, 2012.
Well according to Barry Cowan http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,,17136_8274696,00.html.
LOL WHAT A CLOWN
******** article. He says 'Djokovic and Murray are 2 best players in the world'.
Last time I checked rankings it is "Djokovic and Fed'.
Nadal is still an unknown. He was iinjured back in 2009, then he comes back and wins 3 slams. I wouldn't write him off.
and Raonic in top 4, don't think so.
Typical Brit overhyping Murray (and I'm British...)
Latest isn't always best
They certainly are extraordinary players in terms of sustained power hitting from the back of the court. But new bar? Murray has one slam, so new bar there. Djokovic had a superb 2011 where he got the 10th best winning percentage in the open era...hmmm. Great player no doubt but lets not get carried away.
Maybe in 2020, when all of the top four have retired.
In the first set of his match against Fed at the WTF I thought Murray played as well as Djoker in 2012 - absolutely crushing the ball with frightening depth and consistency. Then he fizzled. If either he or Djokovic can can reach that level of court coverage combined with consistent power hitting again I would agree that the bar has been raised. But when the 31 year old guy with OHBH beats one and nearly beats the other, I'd say the bar is hovering right now.
Federer did set the bar really high.
Federer set the bar too high, I don't see any other player matching it for a while now.
Ahh yes.. Barry Cowan.. The guy who took Sampras to 5 sets at wimbledon in 2001. (the same year Fed fans try to argue Sampras was in his grass prime or something)
It's ridiculous that they do because Sampras was clearly well out of his prime, everywhere by that point.
Raonic breaking into the top 4? :lol:
The guy is just another giraffe serve bot. He can't return and his ground game is top 65.
Lol his ground game is college-level.
No one cares, 90's ****. Sampras is old news, never won the CYGS, never won 5 wimbledons in a row, lost the only official match to baby fed (if you're wanting to make excuses)
gtfo. And don't pull the 'weak era' crap. Cedric Pioline is all I have to say about that.
Well I can't disagree with that :lol:
Djokovic also had a superb 2012, lest you forget.
1 Slam win, 2 Slam finals, 1 Slam semi, 3 Masters titles, several Masters finals, 1 World Tour Finals win, ending the year number 1...
It just shows that Djokovic is contending for just about every single title. You need to count the finals he's made too. It shows he's in great form and a threat against everybody he plays.
I've seen a few of your posts and you really are a troll who has no idea of tennis just watched fed on TV when he was winning and thats it.
Murray didn't raise anything.
Yes, he did:
Only in the mind of a hater.
He was raising Hell on the tour for a few weeks. Finals of W, OG gold, USO title.
Nah. His opponents played badly. Murray was lucky.
It was windy. Djokovic had a bad breakfast...
What would the excuses have been if he'd also won Wimbledon?
Fed is old. Murray lucky. Djokovic in decline. Nadal missing.
Something to do with a roof...
People always make excuses for Murray when it comes to majors. Even this year at the US Open. Can't people just accept that he won it fair and square?
I do,and I was thrilled to see him finally get over the hump and win his first major. It also helped that his win came at the expense of Cvac because anytime he loses birds sing and the heavens open up. :lol:
You are right ..the wind wasnt that much of a big deal and had nothing to do with murray winning the first set tie break 13-11 or whatever it was..there were alot of long close rallies as usual :neutral:
and the wind died right down later to only a breeze..whoooooo :shock: big deal murray was determined THIS TIME he would battle through and win...guess what folks..thats tennis :neutral: so we got..
No screaming into the void,
No shreiking at his box,
No rope-a-dope im so tired and weary act
No going aroung trying to remember which bit of him is injured and grabbing it,
No woulda/shoulda.coulda facial grimaces (acting as if how could he possibly miss that shot),
No losing on the biggest stage.
NO EXCUSES...THIS TIME...(except from djokofanatics).
Actually Cowan is one of the brits who doesn't usually hype up Murray and is very fair.
I agree with a lot of what he said. Djokovic's game probably has improved but he wasn't as clinical in tight situations, and last year every tight match practically, things went his way. Sometimes you go through spells of winning those matches and then it goes wrong. Federer had a few matches where he lost after having match points where in the past they nearly all went in his favour. Nadal had loads of 5 set scares at wimbledon, then finally lost one.
Federer never beat Tommy Haas in a grand slam final. Your argument is invalid.
Also, Todd Martin.
Yes, he won fair and square. But if Melzer won the Australian Open after 3 retirements and a qualifier in the final, would it be accurate to say that he "raised his game" just because he was the last man standing?
Saying that he won fair and square is one thing. Trying to make it as if his quality of play was any different is another.
Probably not in your Melzer scenario but what's that got to do with Murray?
Nobody retired against him at the USO (on the other hand, Djokovic and Federer both progressed through after a retirement) and he didn't get to play a qualifier in the final but the defending champion and world #2 who was soon to be world #1 again!
Do you really see no difference in the quality of his play in Slam finals this year as opposed to his previous Slam finals?
The retirements/qualifier was an analogy, referencing the wind, which played a significant factor in Murray's win.
He played better at Wimbledon when he lost than he did at the U.S. Open when he won.
Wimbledon stats: 46 winners to 25 UEs
U.S. Open stats: 31 winners to 56 UEs
And since Murray doesn't miss much, it really takes something for him to record more errors than winners. And that something was the wind (which affected his opponent even more).
He didn't do anything different.
Wow, it worked!
Djokovic is raising the bar and several trophies and atp 1 to go with it.
Nadal will fix that in 2013 :twisted:
Nadal or Murray.
You wish. Lol.
Fingers crossed lol. Btw, If anyone is wondering why I barely post lately, I work 11 hrs a day, 6 days a week now.
Yeah he'll be unstoppable in 2013. The only person that might be able to stop him is Murray at Wimby but that's it really.
I was wondering how come you don't post much annymore. Now I know why. :shock: You're gonna work yourself to death working hours like that.
Unstoppable? Not quite. Djokovic isn't going to go away and Murray's level has risen (in majors at least).
Yeah, I post things now, and go straight to bed, so if anyone replies to my stuff, I don't see it, so I figured I should probably say why lol. I work for a company that does 60% of their business during the holidays, so after Christmas i'll finally be back more often. I miss this place Don't even get me started on the last time I got to watch live tennis. Im actually at work now as a matter of fact, but we aren't too busy right now.
All the top four AND Albert Montañes.
I hear you man. Hope you make a lot of green bucks this season
Albert will win two majors next season.
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