Djokovic and Rafa need to thank Federer for setting lofty goals

[ND-13]

As a Novak and Rafa admirer , I have no illusions that Novak and Rafa achieved whatever they did and the player they became is not their sheer talent alone but in large part due to Federer

If Federer did not show them the path , they would have probably achieved half as much as what they did

Federer unfortunately did not have the same luck. He had surpassed all his targets more than 9 years ago and left with no targets to reach.

Thus comparing absolute slam counts and other records are meaningless when a player is setting targets and another is trying hard to reach them .

Thanks to Fed for producing 2 ATG !!

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

I am left with no targets to reach so I will just keep winning more Slams, see where that takes my unlucky soul...

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[titoelcolombiano]

lol - they all pushed each other to greater heights that they would have reached on their own. If Rafa & Djoker were good but not great Fed would have probably hit 16 slams and retired comfortably in 2010.

 

[Phoenix1983]

As a Federer and Nadal fan, I approve of this thread.

As a Novak Djokovic hater, I must concede that he played his part as well.

 

[Sasuke]

lol - they all pushed each other to greater heights that they would have reached on their own. If Rafa & Djoker were good but not great Fed would have probably hit 16 slams and retired comfortably in 2010.

The OP has a point. But what you wrote is also true

Oh, btw.. interesting that RF-18 has an admirer in ND-13

 

[ND-13]

lol - they all pushed each other to greater heights that they would have reached on their own. If Rafa & Djoker were good but not great Fed would have probably hit 16 slams and retired comfortably in 2010.

Let us be fair .

Roger , like Usain Bolt, set a 100m WR @9:58

If Djokovic and Rafa are steadily climbing up from 11.0 secs to 10.5 to 10 now, does it help Fed ?

Fed is looking at himself to see whether he can do a 9.4 now

 

[clayqueen]

Roger set the bar on clay.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Indeed.

From a Murray and Zverev fan.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Agreed.

From a Tomic and Fognini fan.

 

[AiRFederer]

Agreed.

-Barca and Real Madrid Fan here

 

[tennisaddict]

Roger set the bar on clay.

I don't know why you find it funny.

Federer has set a huge target and Rafa's end goal is 21 at this time, clay or non clay.

He will try to get there by all means , even if it means he has to win 15 RG.

Clay is just the "means" to the end , what is a "Fed Goalpost".

 

[clayqueen]

what is a "Fed Goalpost".

Fed has more than one Goalpost:
1. To win a slam 10 times
2. Is to have a positive h2h against Rafa and Djoker.
3. To be good on clay
4. To be better on h/c than Djoko
5. To win as many M1000s as Rafa and Djoker

 

[Plamen1234]

Fed has more than one Goalpost:
1. To win a slam 10 times
2. Is to have a positive h2h against Rafa and Djoker.
3. To be good on clay
4. To be better on h/c than Djoko
5. To win as many M1000s as Rafa and Djoker

He is good on clay and better on HC than Djokovic.So only 3 goalpost remain.The first one could happen if he wins Wimbledon this year.The last one is not important and the second one could happen but unfortunately Djokovic dont want to meet him

 

[True Fanerer]

Fed has more than one Goalpost:
1. To win a slam 10 times
2. Is to have a positive h2h against Rafa and Djoker.
3. To be good on clay
4. To be better on h/c than Djoko
5. To win as many M1000s as Rafa and Djoker

Fed is HC GOAT .

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Fed has more than one Goalpost:
1. To win a slam 10 times
2. Is to have a positive h2h against Rafa and Djoker.
3. To be good on clay
4. To be better on h/c than Djoko
5. To win as many M1000s as Rafa and Djoker

He is good on clay and he’s better on HC than Djokovic.

Only Zverev fans care about M1000s.

 

[zagor]

As a Novak and Rafa admirer , I have no illusions that Novak and Rafa achieved whatever they did and the player they became is not their sheer talent alone but in large part due to Federer

If Federer did not show them the path , they would have probably achieved half as much as what they did

Federer unfortunately did not have the same luck. He had surpassed all his targets more than 9 years ago and left with no targets to reach.

Thus comparing absolute slam counts and other records are meaningless when a player is setting targets and another is trying hard to reach them .

Thanks to Fed for producing 2 ATG !!

Thank you for bringing much needed balance to the forum, new user.

 

[SLD76]

Wake me when
Rafa has 5 or more titles at 9 different tournaments across two surfaces


Hell, wake me when he has a WTF title


Federer was stopped on clay more often than not by Nadal


Meanwhile Nadal has never played Fed at USO

 

[clayqueen]

Never seen a more unfulfilled bunch of fans as Federer's fans. They claim that he is the ultimate but deep down they don't believe it so they spend sleepless nights thinking of their strategy to rubbish his opponents. I really feel for them. Rafa fans are so content.

 

[SLD76]

Never seen a more unfulfilled bunch of fans as Federer's fans. They claim that he is the ultimate but deep down they don't believe it so they spend sleepless nights thinking of their strategy to rubbish his opponents. I really feel for them. Rafa fans are so content.

Lmaoooo, you've a wonderfully ironic ability to project

 

[Clay lover]

What???? If they're as motivated by Federer as you claim why haven't they surpassed Federer? How is it not fair to Federer if as the motivator he is still ahead in slam count?

 

[clayqueen]

Federer was stopped on clay more often than not by Nadal

It's a myth that many people blindly believe without checking the facts. Federer has lost to more people on clay that you could count on both hands. At RG alone, aside from the 5 times he's lost to Nadal, he has lost to:


1999 Rnd 1- Rafter
2000 Rnd 4 - Corretja
2001 QF - Corretja
2002 - Rnd 1 Arazi
2003 - Rnd 1 - Horna
2004 - Rnd 3 - Kuerten
2010 - QF Soderling
2012 - SF - Djokovic
2013 - QF Tsonga
2014 - Rnd 4 - Gulbis
2015 - QF - Wawrinka

 

[SLD76]

This is fake. It's a myth that many people blindly believe without checking the facts. Federer has lost to more people on clay that you could count on both hands. At RG alone, he has lost to:


1999 Rnd 1- Rafter
2000 Rnd 4 - Corretja
2001 QF - Corretja
2002 - Rnd 1 Arazi
2003 - Rnd 1 - Horna
2004 - Rnd 3 - Kuerten
2008 - QF Soderling
2012 - SF - Djokovic
2013 - QF Tsonga
2014 - Rnd 4 - Gulbis
2015 - QF - Wawrinka

Lmaooooo



So you gonna cherry pick the very start of his career and the latter stages of it




Shameless

 

[Deleted member 756486]

This is fake. It's a myth that many people blindly believe without checking the facts. Federer has lost to more people on clay that you could count on both hands. At RG alone, he has lost to:


1999 Rnd 1- Rafter
2000 Rnd 4 - Corretja
2001 QF - Corretja
2002 - Rnd 1 Arazi
2003 - Rnd 1 - Horna
2004 - Rnd 3 - Kuerten
2008 - QF Soderling
2012 - SF - Djokovic
2013 - QF Tsonga
2014 - Rnd 4 - Gulbis
2015 - QF - Wawrinka

Fed made it to the final in 2008.

 

[SLD76]

Meanwhile


Whom did Nadal lose to at AO, USO AND WTF from 2005 to current

 

[clayqueen]

Another thread serving as group therapy for lost Fedfans.

 

[SLD76]

Another thread serving as group therapy for lost Fedfans.

The only thing lost is facts and reality on you


But that's par for the course for most Nadal acolytes

 

[clayqueen]

Fed made it to the final in 2008.

How could I miss the beatdown in the final?: 61 63 60

 

[Deleted member 756486]

How could I miss the beatdown in the final?: 61 63 60

You obviously did miss it if he lost in the QF according to you.

 

[clayqueen]

You obviously did miss it if he lost in the QF according to you.

That was just a typo. The list of losses is so long it was bound to happen.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

That was just a typo. The list of losses is so long it was bound to happen.

Why don’t you post Nadal’s Wimbledon record so we can compare?

 

[clayqueen]

Why don’t you post Nadal’s Wimbledon record so we can compare?

I haven't claimed that Nadal has only lost to Fed at Wimbledon.

 

[Jonas78]

1999 Rnd 1- Rafter
2000 Rnd 4 - Corretja
2001 QF - Corretja
2002 - Rnd 1 Arazi
2003 - Rnd 1 - Horna
2004 - Rnd 3 - Kuerten
2010 - QF Soderling
2012 - SF - Djokovic
2013 - QF Tsonga
2014 - Rnd 4 - Gulbis
2015 - QF - Wawrinka

Lol! Take away Rafas 6 best years on grass/HC and send me the list of his Wimbledon/AO/USO losses will you?

 

[clayqueen]

Lol! Take away Rafas 6 best years on grass/HC and send me the list of his Wimbledon/AO/USO losses will you?

I am not tortured by Rafa's losses like Fedfans are in denial about his dismal record at RG.

 

[clayqueen]

For fans of Federer

 

[SLD76]

For fans of Federer

Send it to Rafa for his knees, thigh and hip

 

[Jonas78]

I am not tortured by Rafa's losses like Fedfans are in denial about his dismal record at RG.

Im perfectly fine with the fact that the only one who could beat Roger on clay In his best years was Rafa. Roger would have 5-6 FO's if not for the King of Clay. Nothing else to expect really; Federer played the best clay-player to ever live In Rafas peak years on Feds worst surface.

 

[Tennisgods]

Never seen a more unfulfilled bunch of fans as Federer's fans. They claim that he is the ultimate but deep down they don't believe it so they spend sleepless nights thinking of their strategy to rubbish his opponents. I really feel for them. Rafa fans are so content.

If you’re so content, why do you always poke at Fed fans?

I actually like Rafa. It’s you I find insufferable.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

@clayqueen working overtime

 

[Zhilady]

Roger set the bar on clay.

20 > 16.

 

[clayqueen]

If you’re so content, why do you always poke at Fed fans?

I actually like Rafa. It’s you I find insufferable.

I just challenge the massaging of the facts

 

[clayqueen]

Im perfectly fine with the fact that the only one who could beat Roger on clay In his best years was Rafa. Roger would have 5-6 FO's if not for the King of Clay. Nothing else to expect really; Federer played the best clay-player to ever live In Rafas peak years on Feds worst surface.

Shakes head.

 

[Zhilady]

Fed has more than one Goalpost:
1. To win a slam 10 times
2. Is to have a positive h2h against Rafa and Djoker.
3. To be good on clay
4. To be better on h/c than Djoko
5. To win as many M1000s as Rafa and Djoker

Nadal has bigger goalposts:

1. To win 20 Slams
2. To have a positive H2H against Djokovic and Davydenko
3. To be good on grass
4. To be better on hardcourts than Federer AND Djokovic
5. To win as many WTF titles as Nalbandian and Davydenko.

 

[Tennisgods]

I just challenge the massaging of the facts

No you don’t. You just hate on Fed. Even some of your more reasonable looking posts have a sly dig at him. Why can’t you respect his achievements?

 

[cc0509]

Never seen a more unfulfilled bunch of fans as Federer's fans. They claim that he is the ultimate but deep down they don't believe it so they spend sleepless nights thinking of their strategy to rubbish his opponents. I really feel for them. Rafa fans are so content.

Oh, stop your complete tripe. It's way beyond nauseating already.

Why on earth would a Federer fan be unfulfilled or losing sleep? He's the most accomplished player of all time. YOU are the one in denial. YOU are the delusional one. You are some beyond middle-aged woman obsessed with a tennis player who could be your son and you're preoccupied with trying to prove Federer is a piece of garbage who doesn't deserve to be in the same room as Nadal. Don't you comprehend how wrong and more importantly, how sad that is?

In all seriousness, Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are all great players for different reasons. Can't you live with that?

 

[Tennisgods]

I think Federer owes a lot to Rafa and Djokovic. He might not still be playing if it weren’t for those guys pushing him to stay relevant.

 

[True Fanerer]

It's a myth that many people blindly believe without checking the facts. Federer has lost to more people on clay that you could count on both hands. At RG alone, he has lost to:


1999 Rnd 1- Rafter
2000 Rnd 4 - Corretja
2001 QF - Corretja
2002 - Rnd 1 Arazi
2003 - Rnd 1 - Horna
2004 - Rnd 3 - Kuerten
2010 - QF Soderling
2012 - SF - Djokovic
2013 - QF Tsonga
2014 - Rnd 4 - Gulbis
2015 - QF - Wawrinka

Nadal's list on HC and grass.

 

[kevaninho]

It's a myth that many people blindly believe without checking the facts. Federer has lost to more people on clay that you could count on both hands. At RG alone, he has lost to:


1999 Rnd 1- Rafter
2000 Rnd 4 - Corretja
2001 QF - Corretja
2002 - Rnd 1 Arazi
2003 - Rnd 1 - Horna
2004 - Rnd 3 - Kuerten
2010 - QF Soderling
2012 - SF - Djokovic
2013 - QF Tsonga
2014 - Rnd 4 - Gulbis
2015 - QF - Wawrinka

Yep its funny how all Fed fans say he would've had 5 FO if not for Nadal LOL

 

[kevaninho]

Nadal's list on HC and grass.

Oh using 2 surfaces as an argument against someones clay record. Typical Fed fan

 

[True Fanerer]

You can tell it's clay season.VB out in full force with guns blazin.