Djokovic beat Fedal 4 times in their favourite Slam

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Lew II

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Wins over other Big3 in their favourite Slam (AO Djokovic, RG Nadal, WI Federer):

Djokovic 4
Nadal 1
Federer 1

Wins over other Big3 in their two favourite Slams (AO-WI Djokovic, RG-UO Nadal, WI-AO Federer)

Djokovic 9
Nadal 5
Federer 2

Wins over other Big3 in their three favourite Slams (AO-WI-UO Djokovic, RG-UO-WI Nadal, WI-AO-UO Federer)

Djokovic 14
Federer 8
Nadal 7

This is one great achievement by Djokovic, that puts into perspective how good he's been on all surfaces.
 
Happy the OP knows what their fave slams are! Maybe Rafa loves AO and Wimby the best! it's all dust in the wind man.
 
Nadal wins against Nole on clay in Grand Slams: 5

Nole wins against Nadal in Grand Slams off clay: 5

Nadal has destroyed Nole exactly as often at his favourite slam as Nole has beaten Rafa in his 3 favourite slams.

This is one great achievement by Nadal, which puts into perspective that Djokovic needs to combine his 3 best slams to match Nadals achievement at only his best Grand Slam.
 
Winner said:
Nadal wins against Nole on clay in Grand Slams: 5

Nole wins against Nadal in Grand Slams off clay: 5

Nadal has destroyed Nole exactly as often at his favourite slam as Nole has beaten Rafa in his 3 favourite slams.

This is one great achievement by Nadal, which puts into perspective that Djokovic needs to combine his 3 best slams to match Nadals achievement at only his best Grand Slam.
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Yeah Nadal is the best ever on clay, while Djokovic is the best ever across all surfaces.
 
KINGROGER said:
Nole isn’t even the undisputed best on any single surface at the moment.
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Why not give him time? People seem to forget Djokovic is the youngest and has eclipsed Fedal in many categories already! It only makes sense he's on course to be THE GOAT! He has at least 2 or 3 more years of top-flight tennis winning at least 1 major per year, maybe 2! People would have to be in total denial not to agree with these simple facts! ;)
 
Fiero425 said:
Why not give him time? People seem to forget Djokovic is the youngest and has eclipsed Fedal in many categories already! It only makes sense he's on course to be THE GOAT! He has at least 2 or 3 more years of top-flight tennis winning at least 1 major per year, maybe 2! People would have to be in total denial not to agree with these simple facts! ;)
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Their peaks are all over and Federer won the most.

it’s a question of who will inflate their totals the most in their 30s in the face of no competition.
Justice Underworld said:
First man ever in history to win 6, 7, 8 titles at a Slam on hardcourt pretty much separates him from everybody else on that surface.
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He needs another slam to separate himself from Federer on HCs in accompishments.
 
KINGROGER said:
Their peaks are all over and Federer won the most.

it’s a question of who will inflate their totals the most in their 30s in the face of no competition.

He needs another slam to separate himself from Federer on HCs in accompishments.
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What a terrible argument to not have to face the music.

Not in most people's minds. He's already surpassed Federer on hardcourt.
 
Justice Underworld said:
What a terrible argument to not have to face the music.

Not in most people's minds. He's already surpassed Federer on hardcourt.
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You have any polls to back your post? In who’s mind? Some Novák trolls on the Internet? Lol.

Federer is still slightly ahead on HCs. The additional 1 YEC and titles as well as superior diversity of surfaces won gives him the edge.
 
KINGROGER said:
You have any polls to back your post? In who’s mind? Some Novák trolls on the Internet? Lol.

Federer is still slightly ahead on HCs. The additional 1 YEC and titles as well as superior diversity of surfaces won gives him the edge.
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You're basically saying that no matter how much more Djokovic wins, it doesn't matter because Federer won more in his peak. It's a weak, self-serving argument.

Djokovic has like 3 more Masters titles to offset that 1 YEC title and has more titles than Federer did at his age. It's basically check mate.
 
Justice Underworld said:
You're basically saying that no matter how much more Djokovic wins, it doesn't matter because Federer won more in his peak. It's a weak, self-serving argument.

Djokovic has like 3 more Masters titles to offset that 1 YEC title and has more titles than Federer did at his age. It's basically check mate.
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Fed has the highest peak yes. Djokovic is doing well at cleaning up in this pathetic era though.

Fed at his best won 9 HC slams and 6 YEC... Djokovic by same age only had 8 HC slams and 5 YEC... so Fed wins the age argument. Djokovic wins the “cleaning up in 30s” argument.

3 more masters (lol Paris) isn’t enough to offset 12 total titles and 1 YEC.
Only checkmate to a biased fanboy.
 
Lew II said:
You don't need to be the best on a single surface to be the best across all surfaces.
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Best argument for Djokovic is winning all the masters, but I don’t see him as being particular better on clay than Fed, and have him behind on grass, any medium-fast HCs, indoors, carpet.

GOAT slow HC player for sure.
 
KINGROGER said:
Fed has the highest peak yes. Djokovic is doing well at cleaning up in this pathetic era though.

Fed at his best won 9 HC slams and 6 YEC... Djokovic by same age only had 8 HC slams and 5 YEC... so Fed wins the age argument. Djokovic wins the “cleaning up in 30s” argument.

3 more masters (lol Paris) isn’t enough to offset 12 total titles and 1 YEC.
Only checkmate to a biased fanboy.
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While you people are screaming about weak era, players and making millions and millions of dollars. Some next gens already made in a season more money than any player other than Federer did in 2003-07.
 
KINGROGER said:
Fed has the highest peak yes. Djokovic is doing well at cleaning up in this pathetic era though.

Fed at his best won 9 HC slams and 6 YEC... Djokovic by same age only had 8 HC slams and 5 YEC... so Fed wins the age argument. Djokovic wins the “cleaning up in 30s” argument.

3 more masters (lol Paris) isn’t enough to offset 12 total titles and 1 YEC.
Only checkmate to a biased fanboy.
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According to who does Federer have the highest peak? Stats say Djokovic does. None of this matters though to how much some achieves overall in their career.

This also weak. There is no cutoff when somebody is supposed to have achieved the most of their career. If we go by that then right now, Djoker has 2 more Grand Slams on hardcourt than Federer at the same age.

More Paris masters, more Canada masters, more Miami masters, and more Shanghai masters to be exact. Lol Paris is right. Federer got 12 more titles on hardcourt by playing 6 years longer on tour. Not even relevant to be considered for a serious discussion.
 
Justice Underworld said:
According to who does Federer have the highest peak? Stats say Djokovic does. None of this matters though to how much some achieves overall in their career.

This also weak. There is no cutoff when somebody is supposed to have achieved the most of their career. If we go by that then right now, Djoker has 2 more Grand Slams on hardcourt than Federer at the same age.

More Paris masters, more Canada masters, more Miami masters, and more Shanghai masters to be exact. Lol Paris is right. Federer got 12 more titles on hardcourt by playing 6 years longer on tour. Not even relevant to be considered for a serious discussion.
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Stats show Federer won 11/16 slams at his peak. Neither of the other two approach that, nor his win % in those years.

Yeah Paris masters is easily the weakest of the lot. Djokovic is lagging slightly behind in career accomplishments on HCs (that’s a fact) and also won less during his peak.

Edit: Djokovic has the best 12 month period ever, courtesy of 0 ATG opponents on any surface.
 
Lew II said:
While you people are screaming about weak era, players and making millions and millions of dollars. Some next gens already made in a season more money than any player other than Federer did in 2003-07.
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Not sure what relevance prize money has to the current unprecedented weak era.
 
KINGROGER said:
Stats show Federer won 11/16 slams at his peak. Neither of the other two approach that, nor his win % in those years.

Yeah Paris masters is easily the weakest of the lot. Djokovic is lagging slightly behind in career accomplishments on HCs (that’s a fact) and also won less during his peak.
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Yea and I guess that was over great competition while Djoker mopped up over weaklings for his whole career.

Keep believing that while the majority believes the opposite. Djoker is equal to or greater than Federer in 6 out of 9 of the big tournaments on hardcourt. The only one of those 6 where Federer equals him is Indian Wells, oh and he did that in his mid 30s since those titles weigh less in your eyes.
 
Justice Underworld said:
Yea and I guess that was over great competition while Djoker mopped up over weaklings for his whole career.

Keep believing that while the majority believes the opposite. Djoker is equal to or greater than Federer in 6 out of 9 of the big tournaments on hardcourt. The only one of those 6 where Federer equals him is Indian Wells, oh and he did that in his mid 30s since those titles weigh less in your eyes.
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Djokovic had nearly 3 years of 0 atg on any surface. He’s the king of weak eras lol.

Who is this mythical majority? I don’t really care about your made up arguments, Federer is factually just ahead on HCs.

Federer has better overall accomplishments and also has better accomplishments during prime years.
 
DSH said:
Djokovic 2017, 2018:

Istomin
Chung

:eek::oops::rolleyes:
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Djokovic 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2019, 2020:

Federer
Federer
Murray
Murray
Nadal
Wawrinka
Murray
Wawrinka
Murray
Federer
Murray
Nadal
Federer
Thiem

:eek::oops::rolleyes:

But yes, I agree he plays worse when he's in need of surgery.
 
KINGROGER said:
Djokovic had nearly 3 years of 0 atg on any surface. He’s the king of weak eras lol.

Who is this mythical majority? I don’t really care about your made up arguments, Federer is factually just ahead on HCs.
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Weak era arguments are in fact weak.

My arguments are made up when I show hardcore stats but yours are gospel. You are quite lost. The next few years should be fun for you.
 
Justice Underworld said:
Weak era arguments are in fact weak.

My arguments are made up when I show hardcore stats but yours are gospel. You are quite lost. The next few years should be fun for you.
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equal slams
1 more YEC for fed
12 more titles for fed
More overall titles and more slams during his peak (20s)

You don’t have any arguments other than “majority disagrees with you”. LOL.
 
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KINGROGER said:
You are a ****ing idiot lol.

equal slams
1 more YEC for fed
12 more titles for fed
More overall titles and more slams during his peak (20s)

You don’t have any arguments other than “majority disagrees with you”. LOL.
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Typical of a lost Federer fan. When they lose the argument and cannot bully their way through, they resort to expletives and insults. This post sums you up perfectly. A big hahaha. Your meltdowns will be golden.
 
This thread turned on Lew quick :whistle::whistle::whistle:

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Wasting all that time looking up useless stats to get slayed every day :p
 
It doesn't take into account how comparatively little it meant to beat Nadal there in 2015 :unsure: not much use to anyone but a robot.
 
Lew II said:
While you people are screaming about weak era, players and making millions and millions of dollars. Some next gens already made in a season more money than any player other than Federer did in 2003-07.
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How dense are you? Reminds me of Osmium.
 
Nadal 2015= Djokovic 2017

The difference was that in his worst form Nadal reached the qf to be defeated by Djokovic in RG, instead, the Serbian was losing to guys like Istomin and Chung avoiding being defeated in his favorite Slam against the Spaniard and the Swiss in 2017 and in 2018.
 
Lew II said:
You don't need to be the best on a single surface to be the best across all surfaces.
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So you admit that Novak Djokovic isn't the best on any particular surface.

And he's clearly not the best overall, as he hasn't won the most slams.

So what's your argument?
 
Is this a reaction to ESPN having a Serena day, and a Federer vs. Nadal day, but no Novak day?
 
Djokovic definitely has the record for the grand slam of retirements so kudos to him for refusing to stick it out. Stand by your principles.
 
Lew II said:
Wins over other Big3 in their favourite Slam (AO Djokovic, RG Nadal, WI Federer):

Djokovic 4
Nadal 1
Federer 1

Wins over other Big3 in their two favourite Slams (AO-WI Djokovic, RG-UO Nadal, WI-AO Federer)

Djokovic 9
Nadal 5
Federer 2

Wins over other Big3 in their three favourite Slams (AO-WI-UO Djokovic, RG-UO-WI Nadal, WI-AO-UO Federer)

Djokovic 14
Federer 8
Nadal 7

This is one great achievement by Djokovic, that puts into perspective how good he's been on all surfaces.
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I didn’t imagine he was so good before I read this.
 
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