Djokovic beat Rafa and Roger...

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Epic to beat mid 30s Federer when Djoker was in his best year? Not sure I agree with that - as it should have happened. Nadal was just befuddled by Djoker at the time as I recall. That was impressive.
So both were pretty medicore things really. No big deal really.
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Rafa streak was more impressive because Fed was 33-34 , but we need to accept it noone else was beating Rafa and Fed in those slams .

He directly took away 6 slams from them in a period of 12-14 months !
USO 2011 is a toss up between Federer and Nadal, but he brat them both, so its still the 6 slams overall
 

Imperator

Hall of Fame
What was brutal about it was that it happened from out of no where. Nobody saw 2011 coming. We were all shocked by what happened.
That's why a lot of Fedal fans never coped, with Federer fans pretending he was heavily declined and Nadal fans acting as if Primedal wasn't in splendid form.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Nadal came back after AO12 with a 6-1 record through USO13 so at the time it felt like he got him back for the 2011 stunner, but that run in summer 13 was like the last gasp of prime Nadal and Djokovic has totally had his number since then.

2011 is definitely by far Djokovic’s most impressive period though because all of his main competitors were still pretty strong even if it wasn’t each of their absolute best years.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Man, I feel bad for Djo fanatics since they continually have to post threads about how things are "epic" to sooth whatever hole in their lives they have. Serious. Like several a day now. I imagine them at home, posting, then ripping their shirts off like they are Djo himself. Seriously...
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
And 5-4 since then, Rafa's favor. 5-2 off HC, 0-4 off clay, 5-3 off-grass.
How exactly?

Djokovic's four wins against Nadal in this period were Wimbledon 2018, AO 2019, ATP Cup 2020 and RG 2021. So it should be 0-3 off clay and 5-1 on clay, with his five wins being Madrid 2017, Rome 2018, Rome 2019, RG 2020 and Rome 2021.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
How exactly?

Djokovic's four wins against Nadal in this period were Wimbledon 2018, AO 2019, ATP Cup 2020 and RG 2021. So it should be 0-3 off clay and 5-1 on clay, with his five wins being Madrid 2017, Rome 2018, Rome 2019, RG 2020 and Rome 2021.
You're right, I gave Novak an extra win there, fixed.
 

lrdrdy

New User
he also did this to murray, uso 14, ao 15, rg 15. and did doubles on murray (ao 16, rg 16) and fed (uso 10, ao 11) too.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic beating Nadal 7 times in a row was pretty brutal.
Nadal overcame it, to win 3 straight years at the French Open against Djokovic, and to regain world number 1 in 2013 and beat Djokovic in the US Open final again. Nadal in fact swept that North American hardcourt summer. Rather satisfying when some were saying in 2011 that Nadal wouldn't beat Djokovic again.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed being 7-1 against Nadal after turning 34 is pretty amazing too. Not "brutal" since Rafa dominated him in earlier years, but massively impressive nonetheless.
The dynamic between them shifted. Nadal in more recent years is more aggressive and tries to shorten points more. That helps him against the field, but not against Federer. Federer also hits more flat out against Nadal. Nadal needs the spin and grinding to beat Federer, high to the backhand in particular.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Djokovic still third of the three unfortunately. That is why NY and Tokyo were so important for him. However he has 2022 to correct his dissapointig end of season.

Nadal has been 3rd of the three.

2000-2010 - Fed won 16 slams and some 270 odd weeks at 1, Nadal won 9 slams and was 100 odd weeks at 1
2011-2021 - Djokovic won 19 slams and some 340 odd weeks as 1, Nadal won 11 slams and was 109 odd weeks at 1

So Nadal has been 2nd to both the champions in their peak, greatest number 2 and hence the third wheel.
 

goldengate14

Semi-Pro
Nadal has been 3rd of the three.

2000-2010 - Fed won 16 slams and some 270 odd weeks at 1, Nadal won 9 slams and was 100 odd weeks at 1
2011-2021 - Djokovic won 19 slams and some 340 odd weeks as 1, Nadal won 11 slams and was 109 odd weeks at 1

So Nadal has been 2nd to both the champions in their peak, greatest number 2 and hence the third wheel.
That is not how the perception is among the public and players. The Nadal Golden Career Slam has to put him on top of the pile purely because of the hyperbole Agassi got when he was only player to have it before Rafa arrived. Agassi was always introduced as the Golden Slam winner.
It does seem there is a degree of insecurity among those who dislike Nadal. Every achievement he has is attempted to be dismissed. His statue is even criticised lol. Examples are
1. 13 FOs shows clay court tennis is meaningless and is too many to be a GOAT
2. His golden slam is irrelevant as gold medals mean nothig (despite players saying the exact opposite)
3. Wimbledon 2008 was an awful match and Nadal won because of bad light (the inference must be Nadal was wearing night vision contact lenses)
4. Nadal has an inflated Us Open record due weak draws.
I am not actually a fan of Nadal particularly but when one sees the nonsense as above it is so laughable it is hard not to warm to the guy.
Federer is right there with Nadal. I like Djokovic but i just do not see how he is anythig but third of this era.
That is not being disrespectful to Djokovic. Just an honest opinion shared by the majority of tennis fans if the ATP comment sections are anythig to go by.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
That is not how the perception is among the public and players. The Nadal Golden Career Slam has to put him on top of the pile purely because of the hyperbole Agassi got when he was only player to have it before Rafa arrived. Agassi was always introduced as the Golden Slam winner.
It does seem there is a degree of insecurity among those who dislike Nadal. Every achievement he has is attempted to be dismissed. His statue is even criticised lol. Examples are
1. 13 FOs shows clay court tennis is meaningless and is too many to be a GOAT
2. His golden slam is irrelevant as gold medals mean nothig (despite players saying the exact opposite)
3. Wimbledon 2008 was an awful match and Nadal won because of bad light (the inference must be Nadal was wearing night vision contact lenses)
4. Nadal has an inflated Us Open record due weak draws.
I am not actually a fan of Nadal particularly but when one sees the nonsense as above it is so laughable it is hard not to warm to the guy.
Federer is right there with Nadal. I like Djokovic but i just do not see how he is anythig but third of this era.
That is not being disrespectful to Djokovic. Just an honest opinion shared by the majority of tennis fans if the ATP comment sections are anythig to go by.
Ok bud
 

WildRevolver

Semi-Pro
Man, I feel bad for Djo fanatics since they continually have to post threads about how things are "epic" to sooth whatever hole in their lives they have. Serious. Like several a day now. I imagine them at home, posting, then ripping their shirts off like they are Djo himself. Seriously...
You can definitely sense them having to suppress tears as they feign a smile.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
3 consecutive slams in 2011/2012 (Rafa) and 2015/2016 (Roger)

How epic is that?

In 2015-2016, Federer was far from his peak. 34-35 yo Federer was still a formidable opponent, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not like Federer was as good as he once had been.
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
In 2015-2016, Federer was far from his peak. 34-35 yo Federer was still a formidable opponent, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not like Federer was as good as he once had been.
he was better...he had to improve his game to compete with Rafa and Novak
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Man, I feel bad for Djo fanatics since they continually have to post threads about how things are "epic" to sooth whatever hole in their lives they have. Serious. Like several a day now. I imagine them at home, posting, then ripping their shirts off like they are Djo himself. Seriously...
"TTW: Soothing Holes in Posters' Lives Since ___"
 

Strale

Semi-Pro
Man, I feel bad for Djo fanatics since they continually have to post threads about how things are "epic" to sooth whatever hole in their lives they have. Serious. Like several a day now. I imagine them at home, posting, then ripping their shirts off like they are Djo himself. Seriously...
There is nothing wrong with enjoying epic wins from the goat..
 
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