AO - beat Medvedev who had won the previous 20 matches
RG - beat Nadal and Tsitsipas who had both won the previous 10 matches
WI - beat Berrettini who had won the previous 11 matches
UO - beat Zverev who had won the previous 16 matches
All things considered, Medvedev was the better player of the North American Hard court season. He pretty much destroyed the field in canada, was cruising through the draw till the camera incident slightly gave him a minor temporary injury so he lost to Andre Bweh.AO - beat Medvedev who had won the previous 20 matches
RG - beat Nadal and Tsitsipas who had both won the previous 10 matches
WI - beat Berrettini who had won the previous 11 matches
UO - beat Zverev who had won the previous 16 matches
"In form" is kinda relative to the rest of the tour though. If you like ultimatetennisstatistics, his slams this year are the weakest out of all his slam wins in terms of "strength" and elo.
Who said anything about Federer in this thread?Fair enough.
Per UTS' Title Difficulty metric, RG 2021 ranks as Novak's 13th-most difficult slam victory; AO 2021 ranks as his 18th-most difficult. Wimbledon 2021 does, indeed, rank as his 20th-most, i.e., least, difficult slam victory, which makes sense.
But then, if you compare those 3 slams to the Title Difficulty rating of Roger's 20 slams, they'd rank:
2021 RG: 4th (of 21)
2021 AO: 10th
And 2021 Wimbledon wouldn't even be last! Roger had two "easier" slams, per this metric.
lol I think that says more about UTS title difficulty metric than it does Federer's draws, tbh.Fair enough.
Per UTS' Title Difficulty metric, RG 2021 ranks as Novak's 13th-most difficult slam victory; AO 2021 ranks as his 18th-most difficult. Wimbledon 2021 does, indeed, rank as his 20th-most, i.e., least, difficult slam victory, which makes sense.
But then, if you compare those 3 slams to the Title Difficulty rating of Roger's 20 slams, they'd rank:
2021 RG: 4th (of 21)
2021 AO: 10th
And 2021 Wimbledon wouldn't even be last! Roger had two "easier" slams, per this metric.
lol I think that says more about UTS title difficulty metric than it does Federer's draws, tbh.
Fed has had some real easy ones though. 2018 AO was hilarious, as was AO 2006.
I think the argument Fed fans usually fall back on is: his peak was so good that it doesn't matter who he was playing, whereas easy draws in your old age allow players to inflate their resume or something like that. Compelling enough for me, easier draws would be more advantageous the older you are.
Who said anything about Federer in this thread?
If you say so, but you're not actually making an argument about its "quality."I dunno, sometimes making statements about the quality of a tennis metric requires discussing how that metric judges arguably the best tennis player ever?
"In form" is kinda relative to the rest of the tour though. If you like ultimatetennisstatistics, his slams this year are the weakest out of all his slam wins in terms of "strength" and elo.
Berrettini wasn't a tough opponent by any standards. This years wimbledon draw for winner was the easiest in 2 decades.AO - beat Medvedev who had won the previous 20 matches
RG - beat Nadal and Tsitsipas who had both won the previous 10 matches
WI - beat Berrettini who had won the previous 11 matches
UO - beat Zverev who had won the previous 16 matches
Nah it is not truthBerrettini wasn't a tough opponent by any standards. This years wimbledon draw for winner was the easiest in 2 decades.
Yeah undoubtedly the biggest disappointment of the year.. This season was his chance to kick on and dominate after finally bagging a major victory but he just got injured at the wrong time. He definitely has Novak's number on clay and would have been his biggest threat at the Aus Open.I still think a healthy, in-form Thiem would have taken out a tired Djokovic in the FO2021 final.
and if Thiem was his SF opponent instead of Karatsev at the AO, doubt he does as well vs. Medvedev in the final.
For me Thiem will be the key to 2022, really. If he's healthy and back to 2020 form the draws take on a new complexion entirely. If not, I don't think the slam contenders change at all from 2021.
Nah it is not truth
Berrettini wasn't a tough opponent by any standards.
True enough; anything can happen on grass! Anyone can beat anyone really! Nole could have hurt himself early on when grass quite slippery! He got thru it though with little effort in the end! He did complicate his life by dropping that first set to Matteo in the Wimbledon final when up a break!
He did come with some serious grass form though having just won Queen's.
Will Roger being injured in 2023 cast a large shadow over whoever wins slams?Wimby was a soft af draw but I will agree Berrettini was the 2nd best player on grass. Shapo choked but was better than Medvedev or Zverev to my eye at least.
AO undeniably played the 2 best HC players
RG undeniably played the 2 best Clay players
USO undeniably played the 2 best HC players again
Of course - Thiem, Roger, and Rafa's injuries cast a large shadow here. So, meh to bad competition historically, but in the context of 2021, Djokovic did play the best players possible.
How did Med destroy the field in Canada? Did you watch his match against Hurkacz? Zverev was way more impressive in Cincy.All things considered, Medvedev was the better player of the North American Hard court season. He pretty much destroyed the field in canada, was cruising through the draw till the camera incident slightly gave him a minor temporary injury so he lost to Andre Bweh.
Nah but I genuinely think a somewhat healthy Roger is the only one in the ‘21 field who could have given Novak a match at Wimbledon really.Will Roger being injured in 2023 cast a large shadow over whoever wins slams?
Considering the level of competition on Grass currently, I struggle to hype the form of any of the youngsters until they actually win Wimbledon. Did anyone really think Berrettini had any chance against Djokovic in the final?He did come with some serious grass form though having just won Queen's.
My bad, sorryHow did Med destroy the field in Canada? Did you watch his match against Hurkacz? Zverev was way more impressive in Cincy.