Djokovic can already become the GOAT in the next slam
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To be the overall GOAT, Djokovic needs to win 12 Roland Garros and 9 Wimbledon titles. Otherwise, he is just the hard court GOAT.
Too easy to win the Grand Slam race when 2 of 4 Grand Slams are on hard courts and you are a hard court specialist (in the sense of hard courts being your more succesful court).
If 2 of 4 Grand Slams were on grass, Federer could already have 23 Grand Slams or more.
If 2 of 4 Grand Slams were on clay, Nadal could have 30 Grand Slams.
The Grand Slam count is irrelevant. There will never be an overall GOAT. The Grand Slam count only indicates which player is greater on hard courts, not which player is greater overall.
Too easy to win the Grand Slam race when 2 of 4 Grand Slams are on hard courts and you are a hard court specialist (in the sense of hard courts being your more succesful court).
If 2 of 4 Grand Slams were on grass, Federer could already have 23 Grand Slams or more.
If 2 of 4 Grand Slams were on clay, Nadal could have 30 Grand Slams.
The Grand Slam count is irrelevant. There will never be an overall GOAT. The Grand Slam count only indicates which player is greater on hard courts, not which player is greater overall.
You are a Nadal fan I suppose?
Djokovic will be tied overall GOAT when he wins 20 slams and overall GOAT when he wins 21, nothing more to the equation.
All of these players started playing tennis knowing there were 2 hard court grand slams, 1 grass and 1 clay... the AO or USO was not added as a Grand Slam half way through Djokovic's career.
Therefore it is up to them to be a specialist on whatever surface suits them. And Rafa's is clay, finished.
Djokovic will be tied overall GOAT when he wins 20 slams and overall GOAT when he wins 21, nothing more to the equation.
All of these players started playing tennis knowing there were 2 hard court grand slams, 1 grass and 1 clay... the AO or USO was not added as a Grand Slam half way through Djokovic's career.
Therefore it is up to them to be a specialist on whatever surface suits them. And Rafa's is clay, finished.
Based on what? There is no argument to put Djokovic as the GOAT.
H2H overall? Roddick leads overall Djokovic 5-4, so he would be the GOAT according to that criterion.
H2H in Grand Slams? Nadal leads Djokovic 9-6 in Grand Slams (inclduing 2-1 at the US Open), so he would be the GOAT according to that criterion.
NCYGS? Laver made the CYGS twice, not only once, so he would be the GOAT according to that criterion.
H2H overall? Roddick leads overall Djokovic 5-4, so he would be the GOAT according to that criterion.
H2H in Grand Slams? Nadal leads Djokovic 9-6 in Grand Slams (inclduing 2-1 at the US Open), so he would be the GOAT according to that criterion.
NCYGS? Laver made the CYGS twice, not only once, so he would be the GOAT according to that criterion.
False. Some players play substantially better on grass or clay than hard courts.
Why does Federer have "only" 5 US Open and 8 Wimbledon titles? If there were 2 Grand Slams on grass, he could have already 23 Grand Slams.
Why does Nadal have 1 Australian Open and 11 Roland Garros titles? If there were 2 Grand Slams on clay. Nadal could have already 30 Grand Slams.
The Grand Slam count is irrelevant, since 2 of 4 Grand Slams are on hard courts. The Grand Slam record doesn't indicate which player is greater overall, but which player is greater on hard courts.
Why does Federer have "only" 5 US Open and 8 Wimbledon titles? If there were 2 Grand Slams on grass, he could have already 23 Grand Slams.
Why does Nadal have 1 Australian Open and 11 Roland Garros titles? If there were 2 Grand Slams on clay. Nadal could have already 30 Grand Slams.
The Grand Slam count is irrelevant, since 2 of 4 Grand Slams are on hard courts. The Grand Slam record doesn't indicate which player is greater overall, but which player is greater on hard courts.
Nope. There will never be a tennis GOAT.
The Grand Slam count is irrelevant, since 2 of 4 Grand Slams are on hard courts. The Grand Slam record doesn't indicate which player is greater overall, but which player is greater on hard courts.
If there were 2 Grand Slams on clay. Nadal could have already 30 Grand Slams. If there were 2 Grand Slams on grass, he could have already 23 Grand Slams.
The Grand Slam count would only be relevant if 33% of Grand Slams were on clay, 33% were on hard courts, and 33% were on grass. Otherwise, it just indicates which player is greater on hard courts not overall.
The Grand Slam count is irrelevant, since 2 of 4 Grand Slams are on hard courts. The Grand Slam record doesn't indicate which player is greater overall, but which player is greater on hard courts.
If there were 2 Grand Slams on clay. Nadal could have already 30 Grand Slams. If there were 2 Grand Slams on grass, he could have already 23 Grand Slams.
The Grand Slam count would only be relevant if 33% of Grand Slams were on clay, 33% were on hard courts, and 33% were on grass. Otherwise, it just indicates which player is greater on hard courts not overall.
Look, when Nadal was born clay already had only 1 slam tournament.
He decided to become specialist of a less important surface, therefore with less competition, because this is what suited his abilites.
With your logic otherwise we could say that if tennis was about who generates the most spin or picks his butt the most, Nadal would be the GOAT.
He decided to become specialist of a less important surface, therefore with less competition, because this is what suited his abilites.
With your logic otherwise we could say that if tennis was about who generates the most spin or picks his butt the most, Nadal would be the GOAT.
Roddick is not Djokovic main rival. Federer, Nadal and Murray is.
Nice Cherry picking, h2h in slams? H2h overall, 28-25 Djokovic. If you wanna cherry pick slams, Djokovic leads the h2h over Nadal on HC and grass in Grand slams. Being better on 2 surfaces > Being better on one surface. Sorry to tell ya that mate.
Nice Cherry picking, h2h in slams? H2h overall, 28-25 Djokovic. If you wanna cherry pick slams, Djokovic leads the h2h over Nadal on HC and grass in Grand slams. Being better on 2 surfaces > Being better on one surface. Sorry to tell ya that mate.
I agree that would be some super human achievement. I think that achievement would inspire him further to do the CYGS too. He won’t let up like he did last time. He’s learned from the past and he’s peaking better in slams now!
If Djoko wins the FO he could become the GOAT very soon. He’s be above nadal then for sure and breathing down feds neck!
If Djoko wins the FO he could become the GOAT very soon. He’s be above nadal then for sure and breathing down feds neck!
Slam court surfaces are what they are. Players know this and all need to adapt to those surfaces in order to win. Of the top three, Nadal's performance in slams is more lopsided as to surface, with 11 of his 17 on clay. Federer and Novak are similar in their slam court surface success. Overall, I would rate Novak over Roger on clay, Roger on grass and about even on hard, with Nadal probably the clay GOAT. As for the pre open era players post 1950 I would rate Rosewall, Laver, then Gonzalez as the all court surface great players.
Slam surfaces are what they are is not a convincing argument
Surfaces have been changed at USO and AO not too long ago.
Nadal would have whipped everyone’s rear if there had been 2 clay slams and you all know it
Nadal is the GOAT for me objectively speaking taking into account how he was the big daddy of all in big matches
Surfaces have been changed at USO and AO not too long ago.
Nadal would have whipped everyone’s rear if there had been 2 clay slams and you all know it
Nadal is the GOAT for me objectively speaking taking into account how he was the big daddy of all in big matches
