Djokovic-can he become greater than Federer on three surfaces?

[metsman]

The arguments for hard and clay have already been eloquently presented. Djokovic is 2 slams behind and 1 WTF behind but 1 MASTERS ahead. The masters, being half the worth of slams, make up for 1 slam. So Djovak merely has to win 1 more HC slam and 1 more WTF. This does not have to be consecutively. If he gets to the second week of two more HC slams they will add up to 1 HC slam so he is done. Same with WTF.

Clay: Obviously Djokvak has all the masters titles multiple times except Madrid. Fedr does not...not even close. Because of that, the lack of FO title is easily glossed over. But just for sure, Novak will have to win the FO, which he can.

Now the tricky part: Grass-There are no masters on this surface, therefore the importance of this surface should be halved. Therefore, Roger has 3.5 W (round down to 3) and Novak has 1.5 (round up to 2). No one cares about Halle, mickey mouse 250. However, now we look at competition: Novak beat Nadal and Fedr, holders of 31 grand slam titles. In fact he beat Fed twice so in actuality he beat 47 grand slams worth of competition. Fedr on the other hand beat baby Nadal, Roddick, and Phillipousis, and Murray. Being generous and giving Nadal all his slams, that only adds up to 17 slams! Therefore Novak's true number of Wimbledon's is 47/17 * 2= 5.53 WImbledons(round up to 6). We have already established that the true value of Fed's wimbledons is 3 so by some measures that Nole is alreayd ahead. In either case, Novak has to win 1 more title to equal Roger's 7 fake Wimbledon count so he should do that.

 

[Jaitock1991]

This could be a bumpy ride.

 

[BeatlesFan]

The short answer: NO.

Does the question even need to be asked?

Federer won 5 straight USO's. Djoker has 2 and will not get to 5 considering his age.

Federer has won RG, and got to 5 additional RG finals. Nole hasn't won it once and probably never will.

Trot out all the Masters 1000 wins of Djoker, and it has no bearing on legacy. Majors are the only things that count in terms of surface greatness.

 

[THE FIGHTER]

to be honest, unless djokovic clears the field with a 50% Masters titles gap, I do not see this stat going down in history as a very strong one. and will probably be forgotten. Unless somehow masters become more prestigious than slams.

 

[Inanimate_object]

I appreciate the time and effort you took to present this argument. Allow me to present, what I believe to be a quite relevant counter-point.

 

[metsman]

This could be a bumpy ride.

that's what I am counting on

 

[tennis_pro]

Forget hard and clay, there is NO CHANCE that Djokovic will be greater than Federer on grass.

 

[mavsman149]

Forget hard and clay, there is NO CHANCE that Djokovic will be greater than Federer on grass.

Hard and clay is possible but the nonsense with halving the Wimbledon titles on grass is some kind of special. Djokovic will not touch Fed on grass.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

The masters, being half the worth of slams, make up for 1 slam.

Grass-There are no masters on this surface, therefore the importance of this surface should be halved.

I presume this is a troll thread?
I've had you pegged as a good poster man.

 

[PeterHo]

No. Simple.

 

[MSK]

Ahahaha what is this drivel.

 

[metsman]

I presume this is a troll thread?
I've had you pegged as a good poster man.

it was a parody of the thread RF-18 posted saying can Djokovic become greater than Federer on 2 surfaces.

 

[metsman]

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...-federer-on-two-surfaces.550105/#post-9858379

 

[Fiero425]

Forget hard and clay, there is NO CHANCE that Djokovic will be greater than Federer on grass.

At least he has more than one Wimbledon title! ;-) After 2014, it's all been gravy IMO! To have a 2015 like this, he'll be immortal; even though commentators and historians seem to forget there was another "GOAT" in this era besides Fedal! I thought Borg and Sampras' records would last forever; at least a couple more decades! They weren't just surpassed, they were obliterated in so many ways! Sampras went from "The GOAT" without a FO to maybe 6th or 7th behind Federer, Nadal, Nole, Laver, Rosewall, & Borg! I still think his game beats Roger's in his prime, but that doesn't matter now! We've seen unprecedented changes in records in just 10 years! It's not exactly what I'd call a "Golden Age" for tennis, but it is historic regardless! ;-)

 

[metsman]

At least he has more than one Wimbledon title! ;-) After 2014, it's all been gravy IMO! To have a 2015 like this, he'll be immortal; even though commentators and historians seem to forget there was another "GOAT" in this era besides Fedal! I thought Borg and Sampras' records would last forever; at least a couple more decades! They weren't just surpassed, they were obliterated in so many ways! Sampras went from "The GOAT" without a FO to maybe 6th or 7th behind Federer, Nadal, Nole, Laver, Rosewall, & Borg! I still think his game beats Roger's in his prime, but that doesn't matter now! We've seen unprecedented changes in records in just 10 years! It's not exactly what I'd call a "Golden Age" for tennis, but it is historic regardless! ;-)

sampras is the only man in history who could consistently play with Roger on fast courts imo. I still might give Roger a slight edge there. He is top 2 of all time on fast hard and grass and possible the greatest on carpet as we have not seen Roger play there much. His health condition shut him out of the slow court slams most year and precluded him from GOAT discussion.

In any case Pistol is still 4th on my list and some days I switch him with Borg for 3-4. I was a Sampras fan growing up and I still remember his awesomeness. Seven Wimbledons in Eight years will never be approached.