Djokovic can't reach this level at 37+ years old

Boomski

Rookie
Federer's last years of his career, besides his injury, are so underrated. He played absolutely fantastic tennis at 37+ years old, especially in 2019. He wasn't as fortunate as Djokovic having to deal with 5 & 6 years younger ATG players at the same time.

When comparing Federer's level to Djokovic's at the same age, it's a great difference.

Discuss.

 

ND-13

Legend
Sometimes i wonder why Djokovic does not get the endorsements he deserves for his achievements, but when we see these kind of videos we know why. The public perception and the value that they place is not merely on numbers and stats, but as a more holistic thing of what gave the viewer satisfaction.
 

Clay lover

Legend
If we just go by numbers it's hard to tell as Djokovic hasn't been 37+ for long enough yet. Federer had 2 4Rs, 2 SFs, 1 QF and 1F whereas Djokovic has had 1F and 1 3R after turning 37, but has one OG to show for it.

I feel like Djokovic seemed to have declined a little more after 37 from what I've seen, but at the same time he always seems to have that mental toughness to get what he wants when the situation is dire, as evidenced by his OG. We also don't know how he will bounce back from lulls and moments of wavering focus. He's still pretty fit to me - at least compared to Roger at the same age - just a little deflated at the moment - he could always bounce back like he did like after the slump in mid 16-mid 17 provided he remains fit like he has.
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Federer's last years of his career, besides his injury, are so underrated. He played absolutely fantastic tennis at 37+ years old, especially in 2019. He wasn't as fortunate as Djokovic having to deal with 5 & 6 years younger ATG players at the same time.

When comparing Federer's level to Djokovic's at the same age, it's a great difference.

Discuss.


Nay. Federer was great, yes. But Djokovic's 2023 and OG 2024 was better.

Who did Federer beat in 2017-2018? Djokovic was injured and MIA. Nadal was way past his prime. Murray and Wawrinka were declining fast. Medvedev and Zverev were still not the solid top-5 they've been since 2019. The best players Federer was beating in Slams were Nishikori, Raonic, Cilic. Djokovic in 2023 beat all the best young players. Alcaraz in RG, Cincinnati and Turin (and then in OG), Sinner in Wimbledon and Turin, Zverev in Cincinnati, Medvedev in USO. He was 1 set away from a Super CYGS (4 Slams + WTF). Federer literally skipped one of the 4 Slams in 2017-2018, and lost to freaking Millman at USO and Anderson in Wimbledon.

Both are impressive but Djokovic already surpassed Federer. Winning the French Open and the US Open and the WTF at 36 was insane. Clearly the most 2 physiccal, difficult Slams. Federer was 28 when he won his only FO and 27 when he won his last USO. And 29 when he won his last WTF. Djokovic was 36. It's a great difference, indeed.
 

Boomski

Rookie
Nay. Federer was great, yes. But Djokovic's 2023 and OG 2024 was better.

Who did Federer beat in 2017-2018? Djokovic was injured and MIA. Nadal was way past his prime. Murray and Wawrinka were declining fast. Medvedev and Zverev were still not the solid top-5 they've been since 2019. The best players Federer was beating in Slams were Nishikori, Raonic, Cilic. Djokovic in 2023 beat all the best young players. Alcaraz in RG, Cincinnati and Turin (and then in OG), Sinner in Wimbledon and Turin, Zverev in Cincinnati, Medvedev in USO. He was 1 set away from a Super CYGS (4 Slams + WTF). Federer literally skipped one of the 4 Slams in 2017-2018, and lost to freaking Millman at USO and Anderson in Wimbledon.

Both are impressive but Djokovic already surpassed Federer. Winning the French Open and the US Open and the WTF at 36 was insane. Clearly the most 2 physiccal, difficult Slams. Federer was 28 when he won his only FO and 27 when he won his last USO. And 29 when he won his last WTF. Djokovic was 36. It's a great difference, indeed.

Djokovic was 35 and 36 in 2023. This post is about 37+.

And Federer had way tougher competition than Djokovic 30+ years of age it's not even a comparison.
 

JasonZ

Hall of Fame
Federer's last years of his career, besides his injury, are so underrated. He played absolutely fantastic tennis at 37+ years old, especially in 2019. He wasn't as fortunate as Djokovic having to deal with 5 & 6 years younger ATG players at the same time.

When comparing Federer's level to Djokovic's at the same age, it's a great difference.

Discuss.

that doesnt matter, because federer level was still not enough to win anything important after he turned 37 (actually 36,5), while djokovic won olympic gold at 37 and showed a super high level there.
 
Djokovic at his best, never reached 2004-2009 Fedal :cool: :cool:
Nadal-Federer are the 2 greatest players ever, because their peak was the highest.
So its no surprise that 37-year-old Djokovic is not the greatest 37yo either...
Ive been saying this is the consensus among sports fans for a while whether it is fair or not but Djokovic won the bulk of his majors post peak Fedal and that is a fact that sticks for many outside Serbia.
 

Boomski

Rookie
that doesnt matter, because federer level was still not enough to win anything important after he turned 37 (actually 36,5), while djokovic won olympic gold at 37 and showed a super high level there.

Because of competition. Learn to view number and statistics within context. Not everything is black or white.

Djokovic beat a version of Nadal on clay at the Olympics that even the Federer of 2013 would have managed to beat in straights. Djokovic beat an underwhelming Alcaraz in the final, a three sets final at that too.

Federer beat Nadal at SF at Wimbledon and almost Djokovic in the final. That tops Djokovic's Olympic gold without a shadow of a doubt.

That's context.
 

ND-13

Legend
Because of competition. Learn to view number and statistics within context. Not everything is black or white.

Djokovic beat a version of Nadal on clay at the Olympics that even the Federer of 2013 would have managed to beat in straights. Djokovic beat an underwhelming Alcaraz in the final, a three sets final at that too.

Federer beat Nadal at SF at Wimbledon and almost Djokovic in the final. That tops Djokovic's Olympic gold without a shadow of a doubt.

That's context.

Over time I have come to realize that Nolefam brethren may not be as sharp as what i imagined once. Nuance and analysis are lacking, they embrace pseudo science when it comes from Novak, not able to understand others view points, etc. But i have hope.
 
Sometimes i wonder why Djokovic does not get the endorsements he deserves for his achievements, but when we see these kind of videos we know why. The public perception and the value that they place is not merely on numbers and stats, but as a more holistic thing of what gave the viewer satisfaction.
You guys are so desperate in your denial it's truly sad.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
30yo Fed = 2011. So his losses from 2011-onward don't matter? Great!
Joker fans and their double standards.
Also, what great rival did Djokovic defeat in his three GS titles at 36 years old?
No "BH and return of serve" Tsitsipas?
"Mr Cramps" Alcaraz at Roland Garros?
"Gassed and confussed" Medvedev at the US Open?
:X3:
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
If you ignore the most painful loss ever, 2019 was one of the most fun years I've had as a fan because at the close of 2018 it looked like the end was imminent. I didn't think we'd see a 2nd miracle where he could play close to 2017 levels again. But it happened.

Turned out he just had to let that hand injury actually heal and was able to come out of the gate in 2019 smacking forehands with authority again.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
Who did Federer beat in 2017-2018? Djokovic was injured and MIA. Nadal was way past his prime. Murray and Wawrinka were declining fast. Medvedev and Zverev were still not the solid top-5 they've been since 2019. The best players Federer was beating in Slams were Nishikori, Raonic, Cilic. Djokovic in 2023 beat all the best young players. Alcaraz in RG, Cincinnati and Turin (and then in OG), Sinner in Wimbledon and Turin, Zverev in Cincinnati, Medvedev in USO. He was 1 set away from a Super CYGS (4 Slams + WTF). Federer literally skipped one of the 4 Slams in 2017-2018, and lost to freaking Millman at USO and Anderson in Wimbledon.
Kind of crazy to just throw Nadal out of the window. He finished #1 in 2017 & 2019. Of course he was way past his prime, but so was Federer. I don't see how any of Djokovic's 2023 wins were more impressive than beating a 30-33 year old Nadal.

Even if you do ignore Nadal and focus on the Lost Gen opponents Fed beat, it's not far off from who Novak faced in 23. Alcaraz at RG should've been the highest level faced, but he cramped up from nerves. That was as bad a Cilic at Wimbledon.
 

JasonZ

Hall of Fame
Because of competition. Learn to view number and statistics within context. Not everything is black or white.

Djokovic beat a version of Nadal on clay at the Olympics that even the Federer of 2013 would have managed to beat in straights. Djokovic beat an underwhelming Alcaraz in the final, a three sets final at that too.

Federer beat Nadal at SF at Wimbledon and almost Djokovic in the final. That tops Djokovic's Olympic gold without a shadow of a doubt.

That's context.
djokovic beat a very well playing alcaraz and hold up to the biggest pressure, while federer played great but choked at wim 2019. how can you say that federers most bitter loss tops one djokovics biggest victories?
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Kind of crazy to just throw Nadal out of the window. He finished #1 in 2017 & 2019. Of course he was way past his prime, but so was Federer. I don't see how any of Djokovic's 2023 wins were more impressive than beating a 30-33 year old Nadal.

Even if you do ignore Nadal and focus on the Lost Gen opponents Fed beat, it's not far off from who Novak faced in 23. Alcaraz at RG should've been the highest level faced, but he cramped up from nerves. That was as bad a Cilic at Wimbledon.
And don't forget that his draw prior to the 2023 US Open final was a bad joke.
:whistle:
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
And don't forget that his draw prior to the 2023 US Open final was a bad joke.
:whistle:
Age-wise the 23 USO for Novak would be the equivalent of the 2018 AO for Fed, which was also a joke of a draw. So I won't hold that against him.
 
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Dropshot777

Rookie
Nay. Federer was great, yes. But Djokovic's 2023 and OG 2024 was better.

Who did Federer beat in 2017-2018? Djokovic was injured and MIA. Nadal was way past his prime. Murray and Wawrinka were declining fast. Medvedev and Zverev were still not the solid top-5 they've been since 2019. The best players Federer was beating in Slams were Nishikori, Raonic, Cilic. Djokovic in 2023 beat all the best young players. Alcaraz in RG, Cincinnati and Turin (and then in OG), Sinner in Wimbledon and Turin, Zverev in Cincinnati, Medvedev in USO. He was 1 set away from a Super CYGS (4 Slams + WTF). Federer literally skipped one of the 4 Slams in 2017-2018, and lost to freaking Millman at USO and Anderson in Wimbledon.

Both are impressive but Djokovic already surpassed Federer. Winning the French Open and the US Open and the WTF at 36 was insane. Clearly the most 2 physiccal, difficult Slams. Federer was 28 when he won his only FO and 27 when he won his last USO. And 29 when he won his last WTF. Djokovic was 36. It's a great difference, indeed.
So beating the rest of the big four just a bit past their prime is less impressive than going back and forth with two upcoming teenagers who arguably haven’t even reached their prime?
 
When comparing Federer's level to Djokovic's at the same age, it's a great difference.
the old classic "Level" = shotmaking and all-court play
Alcaraz played one of his worst matches since becoming top 10 in that Olympics final. A real choke.
just limiting to losses on clay since becoming top 10, Alcaraz played clearly worse in losing to Zv*rev at RG '22, Musetti in Hamburg, Sinner in Umag, and Jarry in Buenos Aires '24. the Norrie and Djokovic losses in '23 have the mid-match injury/cramp complicating factors, the Monteiro loss in '24 was a retirement after two games, and the Rublev loss was coming off the forearm injury, but those were still generally worse (except for the first two sets against Djokovic at RG '23 which i think were better than their Olympics match). then you're left with the Marozsan loss, which similarly flowed downstream from poor returning, but i think that was also a worse level. then you add in So Many hard court losses which were a worse level and this opinion just looks silly. the Olympics loss was probably his best level in a loss while healthy and completing the match (for the sake of comparison) from '22-'24, besides maybe losing to Nadal in IW '22, Dimitrov in Shanghai '23, and Humbert in Paris '24
 
Alcaraz played one of his worst matches since becoming top 10 in that Olympics final. A real choke.
You seems to suggest alcaraz did not gave his 100%. In which world are you living. Novak won but no way alcaraz was nervous or under any pressure. He played as well as he can play.
It does not matter you like or dislike novak but that match was not easy by any standard.
 

longtimelurker

Professional
You seems to suggest alcaraz did not gave his 100%. In which world are you living. Novak won but no way alcaraz was nervous or under any pressure. He played as well as he can play.
It does not matter you like or dislike novak but that match was not easy by any standard.
Talk tennis world - the alternate world where you can escape the truth and reality :cool:
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
It is hard for me to not question the tennis acumen or vision of someone who doesn’t recognize the high level at which the Olympic final was played by both players. It was one of the few epic matches of last year that people will talk about far into the future.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Ive been saying this is the consensus among sports fans for a while whether it is fair or not but Djokovic won the bulk of his majors post peak Fedal and that is a fact that sticks for many outside Serbia.
"tennis fans"? You mean Fed/Nadal Fans? Yes, there are many more of those than ND fans. However, if you ask experts, or their common opponents throughout the career, the consensus is overwhelming and opposite from what you are saying. 2011-2015 majors, greatest dominance in tennis was definitely NOT post-peak Nadal, Murray, Stan, yes Federer (but as this thread states, Federer was not greatly off his peak much later in his career...not only according to TTW "experts" but Federer himself). A recent example:
“I get that he’s not the fan favorite…but it’s as clean-cut as it gets with the guy. He played in Roger and Rafa’s primes! I get it: he shot Bambi, we can say.”
-Reilly Opelka on Novak Djokovic

428 weeks at #1 (since 2011) = 8.5 years is another testament to this -- consistency during this period when his major competitors were peaking, and were not, during the changeover of generations and during new generation ramp up...
Yes, he did get some "free" slams on the list, so did Nadal rack up at the FO with literally no one his level (clay king) his whole career...
And yes, those early wins vs 35yo cripple Agassi, Philly, Baghdadis, punching bag Roddick, double bagel Hewitt and Gonzales were also a rack up of "free" slams...
 
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"tennis fans"? You mean Fed/Nadal Fans? Yes, there are many more of those than ND fans. However, if you ask experts, or their common opponents throughout the career, the consensus is overwhelming and opposite from what you are saying. 2011-2015 majors, greatest dominance in tennis was definitely NOT post-peak Nadal, Murray, Stan, yes Federer (but as this thread states, Federer was not greatly off his peak much later in his career...not only according to TTW "experts" but Federer himself). A recent example:
“I get that he’s not the fan favorite…but it’s as clean-cut as it gets with the guy. He played in Roger and Rafa’s primes! I get it: he shot Bambi, we can say.”
-Reilly Opelka on Novak Djokovic

428 weeks at #1 (since 2011) = 8.5 years is another testament to this -- consistency during this period when his major competitors were peaking, and were not, during the changeover of generations and during new generation ramp up...
Yes, he did get some "free" slams on the list, so did Nadal rack up at the FO with literally no one his level (clay king) his whole career...
And yes, those early wins vs 35yo cripple Agassi, Philly, Baghdadis, punching bag Roddick, double bagel Hewitt and Gonzales were also a rack up of "free" slams...
Most players (Alcaraz Sinner for example) consider Nadal or Federer as GOAT. Your logic is flawed as 2011-2015 was 50% post peak Nadal as 2014 onwards he was a shadow really.
The fact Djokovic's mates like Opelka are having to push this narrative jjust bears out what i am saying as clear as day. I love Djokovic btw, but he is badly advised and his fans do him no favours. Djokovic is much more like me as a person than Fedal.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Most players (Alcaraz Sinner for example) consider Nadal or Federer as GOAT. Your logic is flawed as 2011-2015 was 50% post peak Nadal as 2014 onwards he was a shadow really.
The fact Djokovic's mates like Opelka are having to push this narrative jjust bears out what i am saying as clear as day. I love Djokovic btw, but he is badly advised and his fans do him no favours. Djokovic is much more like me as a person than Fedal.
What does his personality have to do with achievements??
Becker, Mac, Rafa, Rafas uncle, Murray, Agassi, and many others have stated that Novak is a clear goat by numbers.
I do agree with your personality point (to some extend…he has given much more for good cause than the other two, more than once donating complete tournament wins for a good cause). However, that is his character too, cannot change that Balkan blood.
And yes, watching Federer play was more pleasing on one’s eyes too…
But none of it matters at all if we are talking about the achievements on the court.

Some Rafa fans claim that it does not matter that Rafas record is so Clay skewed (“all slams are equal”). Ok, but Rafa really did not have true competition on Clay for 15 years with just a few exceptions (Federer but not really, Thiem and some of ND), yet, we argue if Stan, 2012-2022 Rafa and Federer, 2022-2023 Sinner and Alcaraz were real competition for a 35yo Novak, LOL.

Let me add a few things:
Carlos Alcaraz considers Novak Djokovic to be the greatest tennis player of all time (GOAT). He said, "As far as numbers, it's Novak Djokovic without a doubt".

"It's a clear sign that he is the greatest of all time"- When Sampras claimed Novak Djokovic to be the GOAT​

 
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What does his personality have to do with achievements??
Becker, Mac, Rafa, Rafas uncle, Murray, Agassi, and many others have stated that Novak is a clear goat by numbers.
I do agree with your personality point (to some extend…he has given much more for good cause than the other two, more than once donating complete tournament wins for a good cause). However, that is his character too, cannot change that Balkan blood.
And yes, watching Federer play was more pleasing on one’s eyes too…
But none of it matters at all if we are talking about the achievements on the court.

Some Rafa fans claim that it does not matter that Rafas record is so Clay skewed (“all slams are equal”). Ok, but Rafa really did not have true competition on Clay for 15 years with just a few exceptions (Federer but not really, Thiem and some of ND), yet, we argue if Stan, 2012-2022 Rafa and Federer, 2022-2023 Sinner and Alcaraz were real competition for a 35yo Novak, LOL.
Thats the point. The GOAT by numbers is not the compliment you think it is, it is a backhanded one, and i say that as when Nadal was two slams clear many commentators through clenched teeth added that caveat..GOAT.. statistically at least.
Djokovic is a great guy, and he clearly has an argument to be GOAT as have Federer and Nadal as its a subjective argument. I am not arguing who is GOAT, i am simply saying what the consensus is, it is a different argument.
I want Djokovic to carry on playing for as long as he can and win slams albeit i dont think he will, I am Rafa and Novak and Roger fan. Real tennis fans are.
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Thats the point. The GOAT by numbers is not the compliment you think it is, it is a backhanded one, and i say that as when Nadal was two slams clear many commentators through clenched teeth added that caveat..GOAT.. statistically at least.
Djokovic is a great guy, and he clearly has an argument to be GOAT as have Federer and Nadal as its a subjective argument. I am not arguing who is GOAT, i am simply saying what the consensus is, it is a different argument.
I want Djokovic to carry on playing for as long as he can and win slams albeit i dont think he will, I am Rafa and Novak and Roger fan. Real tennis fans are.
See a few things I added above, it is an easy search, you can do it yourself.
Yes, Sinner thinks it is RF
The rest of top 10….nope
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Thats the point. The GOAT by numbers is not the compliment you think it is, it is a backhanded one, and i say that as when Nadal was two slams clear many commentators through clenched teeth added that caveat..GOAT.. statistically at least.
Djokovic is a great guy, and he clearly has an argument to be GOAT as have Federer and Nadal as its a subjective argument. I am not arguing who is GOAT, i am simply saying what the consensus is, it is a different argument.
I want Djokovic to carry on playing for as long as he can and win slams albeit i dont think he will, I am Rafa and Novak and Roger fan. Real tennis fans are.
What does that “real tennis fans are” mean? Are real football fans those that are fans of Real Madrid, MU and Bayern? Or real basketball fans only those that favor Bulls, Knicks and Lakers?
I disagree with you. There are those that are fans of all 3, or two of them or love one and respect the other two (you must for everyone’s achievements) or not a fan of any of the three but respect all three and do not have a bias toward one or the other. I consider myself that one as I was always an AM fan.
 
What does that “real tennis fans are” mean? Are real football fans those that are fans of Real Madrid, MU and Bayern? Or real basketball fans only those that favor Bulls, Knicks and Lakers?
I disagree with you. There are those that are fans of all 3, or two of them or love one and respect the other two (you must for everyone’s achievements) or not a fan of any of the three but respect all three and do not have a bias toward one or the other. I consider myself that one as I was always an AM fan.
Hey, thats fine, disagree with me, i welcome that as in this day and age it is good to celebrate a disagreement given how silencing debate now seems the norm.
Real tennis fans i term as those who go to events outside of the slams. Ok some cannot due to finance but say going to a challenger event locally or a 250 event locally if you have one where there are no big names playing i would say shows a proper fan.
As for man utd fans, most are not real fans now neither are Liverpool or Man City fans etc. In the UK they have priced out real soccer fans long ago. I cant comment about Spain and Germany. Most old school UK soccer fans now follow cubs in the lower leagues.
 
See a few things I added above, it is an easy search, you can do it yourself.
Yes, Sinner thinks it is RF
The rest of top 10….nope
Just to clarify if the whole top 10 said Nadal or Federer was GOAT doesnt mean i would agree or suggest others should. It is a subjective issue with people valuing different achievements more.
I value Indian wells more than any other m1000 event, some people value Monte Carlo or Rome more etc.
On other platforms i spend a lot of time defending Djokovic from some of the truly nasty stuff that is said, this site is good as the toxicity is largely absent.
 

longtimelurker

Professional
Sorry to say but you either are yourself a professional player or you are a random guy pretending to be a tennis fan .
Yes it was BO3 finals but quality wise it was upto the slam finals.
I was actually agreeing with you highlighting most people like to hide the truth. The gold medal match was of a high standard and both played great tennis.
 

jl809

Legend
I don’t think Djoker will be able to post the season overall that Fed did in 2019. Wimbledon final, RG SF (losing to Nadal), IW F and Miami winner plus winner of a bunch of 500s, wins over Nadal AND Djokovic, 83% win rate. Doubt Djoker will have the legs or consistency to pull something like that off, and he certainly won’t have the peak ceiling that Fed displayed at Wimbledon 2019

But without the equivalent of 2019 Djokodal as slam competition - especially with a possible ban for Sinner etc - and the field beyond Sinneraz in a trash bag - I wouldn’t be surprised if Djoker does win 1 slam, which would automatically make his 2025 season better than Fed’s 2019. Imo his best chances are RG and the US Open, neither of which I think Sinneraz are comfy at
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
I don’t think Djoker will be able to post the season overall that Fed did in 2019. Wimbledon final, RG SF (losing to Nadal), IW F and Miami winner plus winner of a bunch of 500s, wins over Nadal AND Djokovic, 83% win rate. Doubt Djoker will have the legs or consistency to pull something like that off, and he certainly won’t have the peak ceiling that Fed displayed at Wimbledon 2019

But without the equivalent of 2019 Djokodal as slam competition - especially with a possible ban for Sinner etc - and the field beyond Sinneraz in a trash bag - I wouldn’t be surprised if Djoker does win 1 slam, which would automatically make his 2025 season better than Fed’s 2019. Imo his best chances are RG and the US Open, neither of which I think Sinneraz are comfy at
Who cares if ND will have the same or better year than RF at this age. Totally irrelevant.
One thing is for sure, RF will never achieve numbers that Nad has achieved on tennis courts and ND Will never have as fat of the bank account or SM followers as RF…
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
djokovic beat a very well playing alcaraz and hold up to the biggest pressure, while federer played great but choked at wim 2019. how can you say that federers most bitter loss tops one djokovics biggest victories?
Yes, because a BO3 tournament is comparable to a BO5. :laughing:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Nay. Federer was great, yes. But Djokovic's 2023 and OG 2024 was better.

Who did Federer beat in 2017-2018? Djokovic was injured and MIA. Nadal was way past his prime. Murray and Wawrinka were declining fast. Medvedev and Zverev were still not the solid top-5 they've been since 2019. The best players Federer was beating in Slams were Nishikori, Raonic, Cilic. Djokovic in 2023 beat all the best young players. Alcaraz in RG, Cincinnati and Turin (and then in OG), Sinner in Wimbledon and Turin, Zverev in Cincinnati, Medvedev in USO. He was 1 set away from a Super CYGS (4 Slams + WTF). Federer literally skipped one of the 4 Slams in 2017-2018, and lost to freaking Millman at USO and Anderson in Wimbledon.

Both are impressive but Djokovic already surpassed Federer. Winning the French Open and the US Open and the WTF at 36 was insane. Clearly the most 2 physiccal, difficult Slams. Federer was 28 when he won his only FO and 27 when he won his last USO. And 29 when he won his last WTF. Djokovic was 36. It's a great difference, indeed.
Wow, you just denigrated most of Djokovic's slams post 2013. :laughing:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
again, that doesnt matter. he won, one of his biggest wins, federer lost, his most bitter loss. nothing else is relevant.
It is relevant because the Olympics are not a slam. Slam pressure is a totally different beast.

Not to mention the fact that he only had to beat Alcaraz, while Fed had to beat 2 dudes with 20+ slams.
 

AndrewUtz

Semi-Pro
Djokovic at his best, never reached 2004-2009 Fedal :cool: :cool:
Nadal-Federer are the 2 greatest players ever, because their peak was the highest.
So its no surprise that 37-year-old Djokovic is not the greatest 37yo either...
McEnroe 84 peak was higher than nadal-federer. So dumb.
 
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