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Djokovic declares he will bread all time slam record and he will be GOAT and make federer and nadal look like lamb
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea I should have known it was false considering the source (dailymail) and their track record. If he had said this and been quoted, I guarantee we would have heard a lot more about it.
zagor
Bionic Poster
There was a thread on on MTF and here, sources were some british news (maybe dailymail).
That said, even if the quote is true, what exactly is so outrageously arrogant about it? It's normal sports banter as far as I'm concerned.
I mean Fed was shaky in 2008, Novak was emerging as a rival to the duopoly and yes many were indeed wondering if Fed is gonna break Pete's record considering this was still a time when most pros were done contending when they're 30 (and Fed was gonna turn 27).
Can you imagine any NBA player for example getting flak for saying something like this? Or heck even tennis players before the 2000s like Becker or Lendl or even Andre. It's hilarious how prissy tennis fans can be, it's a competition FFS.
All of the big 3 are great players and we should be glad to watch them all at the same time instead of fighting over who is marginally better.
Just because one is on the top or will go to the top, does not make the other two inferior.
In Roger's defense, setting a target is tougher. Chasing a set target is relatively easier.
Just because one is on the top or will go to the top, does not make the other two inferior.
In Roger's defense, setting a target is tougher. Chasing a set target is relatively easier.
zagor
Bionic Poster
The quote really isn't that bad, hardly warrants the pearl clutching reaction to it.
Of course, who knows if Novak even ever said it. Need multiple sources to confirm.
Jaitock1991
Hall of Fame
While looking up Djokovic quotes, I came up with this gem from 2008:
And people call Fed arrogant?
Wow. If he actually said that literally and it's not just some made up quote or total BS translation, that's a nasty degree of disrespect and arrogance(perhaps fueled by Fed's own slightly hostile attitude towards both him and his father especially back then). He was young at the time obviously and has probably matured a lot since then, but it does tell a pretty good story of who this man is at his core and why so many people simply won't like him no matter how nice and classy he tries to come across as. Words can never hide the vibe you give off.
Not that it's in any way wrong to think these things inside though; I think any great competitor needs this type of confidence and I also believe that this is one of the most fundamental things that nextgen is massively lacking. But saying it out in public like this is way too far imo.
125downthemiddle
Banned
Yeah the sensitivity is a bit over the top from all fanbases I'll admit including my own.
I guess it's the "gentleman's sport" reputation of it, but there was certainly a lot more trash talk back in the day (Connors/Mac/Lendl etc.)
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
He actually already did all that before the match in that clip.
At least have your facts straight if you're gonna brag about Fred.
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Ah. So, within one year of the quoted remarks, Federer increased his major title haul from 12 to 16.
Yow, Djoker was almost on the mark!
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
The tweener was from the 09 US Open. Fed completed the career slam at RG and broke the record at Wimbledon earlier in that season.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea I think it's honest but a little cocky, and nothing to get that worked up over. Just makes it less believable that he said it since no one can find a record of the interview anywhere else.
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So, from the time of Djoker's quoted remarks, Federer reached the finals of the next eight major tournaments, winning four of them.
And was beaten by Federer 18 more times, nine of which came after he turned 30.
Rough!
Alfred Chicken
Rookie
marc45
G.O.A.T.
This is all from Graham Bensinger's new interview with him. It's on tonight locally for a half hour but they obviously shot a lot more footage
click here and keep scrolling down.. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Graham+Bensinger
clearly they did this before virus concerns hit
click here and keep scrolling down.. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Graham+Bensinger
clearly they did this before virus concerns hit
RaulRamirez
Legend
Nice clickbait.
He said, "I believe I can...." - and nothing the least bit derogatory toward Fed or Rafa.
What is wrong with people - not even clever.
He said, "I believe I can...." - and nothing the least bit derogatory toward Fed or Rafa.
What is wrong with people - not even clever.
I have Sampras greater than Nole,. It's not all about the Slam count.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
Then where do you put Djokodal? Also you do realise Sampras won almost half the masters big 3 did? Nor does he have longevity to his name.
Druss
Hall of Fame
LOL....ridiculous! Where are your stats to prove this?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
H2H against main rivals.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Borg, Sampras and Big3 are top5 of the Open Era in no specific order.
Big3 have better numbers but Borg and Sampras were the best in their era. None of the Big3 can say he's the best of his era.
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Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Sampras was the best of his era. Federer is not.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
At least, You are 10 times more consistent than most here. Those who mock you, they change their tune on a dime.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
I have no reason to think that the 3 greatest ever happened to play all in the same era. It would be too much of a coincidence. Everyone must be compared to his peers first, and if you're not the best of your era first you can't be the best ever.
I was replying to a quote from 2008 genius. Stop acting like a Fed fan. You aren't. Just a butthurt Roddick/Djokovic fan in disguise LOL
Breakpointerer
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Tennis_Freak99
Legend
While looking up Djokovic quotes, I came up with this gem from 2008:
And people call Fed arrogant?
I have recently said a few things about Federer's comments on the past with respect to his fellow colleagues, having firmly believed that Novak hasn't indulged in any such conversations. If this is true then I'm a bit taken aback honestly. Having said that, I still believe this quote isn't half has bad as what Fed said to him. It shows that he doesn't want to bow down to the stature of Fed in that period and that he would rather play the man than the name. He doesn't really belittle him in any way and even says that 'maybe he will beat Sampras's record eventually' though he and Rafa will be there to stop him. He does have an undertone of cockiness and overconfidence which I don't appreciate really, but isn't as arrogant as it is blown out to be.
A big reason why The Next-Gen aren't successful yet is that they respect the 'aura' of the Big 3 way too much, which Novak challenges here and successfully does so. Roger definitely wasn't the same successful player post 2008, we all know that.
PS: I searched for this quote online and found it on 2 websites only which collects quotes (one being azquotes.com). However, there is no video proof or news article that validates this. If a top player said a bold statement like that it definitely would have made the headlines. I don't think we should believe this without concrete proof, there is a lot of fake news out there. If you already have proof then do share, till then this stands obsolete.
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beard
Legend
You posted fake news, shame on you... Novak never said this shhiittt... Have you checked source? Off course not...
Don't you think someone would post this crap already on this forum, as evidence of Novak's arrogance?
beard
Legend
Just fake... Made by some sore Fed fan...
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
Don't remember Breadovic being much of a slam roadblock pre-2010.
Druss
Hall of Fame
You mean like versus 1-2 slam winners Hewitt, Safin, Stich, Krajicek?
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Federer is not the best of his era due to 4-10 in Slams finals against Djokodal.
Sampras is the best of his era since no one came close to his achievements in over two decades.
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citizens of Wonderland can cherry pick numbers, to create alternative facts, suitable to what they believe
although, in @Lew II defense, he often doesn't deny choosing stats which promote one player
@Lew II Fed era was supposed to end around 2012.
The fact that he still plays, and keeps defeating Djokovic and Nadal means that they, and the generations coming after them failed to retire him, which in turn speaks of how stronk / weak are these generations.
Can you tell me when was the last time that the winner of 2 GS and contender for YE#1 loses in straight sets to a grand daddy?
When did Fed, or Safin, or Hewitt, or Sampras or Agassi, or Borg lose to a 37 / 38 / 39 years old grand daddy?
or when did they need to take the grand daddy to the tiebreak of the 6th set in W final? yes 6th set, as 12:12 is precisely 2 usual sets.
so, if you want to check Fed relative to his era and generation, look at the time when the Tour was dominated by folks born 1978 - 1982 or so.
Folks born in 1988 clearly don't belong to Fed era or generation, but if they can't retire him, it's their problem, not Fed's
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Had he retired in 2012 he still wouldn't be the best of his era, since he would have a losing score against players who also won more Slams than him.
@Lew II this is a great example how you try to cherry pick things to create a narrative fitting your alternative reality.
see, I told you that comparing Fed to his era means looking at Fed results when his generation dominated the ATP Tour.
Something like the guys born 1978-1982
can you tell me which guys born 1978-1982 won more Slams than Fed and at the same time had a better H2H?
cause if not, my post about cherry picking BS that fits Wonderland alternative reality stands correct.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
He's contemporary of Djokodal, he played lots of matches against them. The birth year doesn't tell the full story, or Ferrer would have to be considered a contemporary of Hewitt for example, while he peaked much later.
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