Djokovic deserved it-but Rafa WAS injured

What shots?

And now you're saying me might have been fatigued instead of injured, those are two very different things.



But you said it was clear?
No, I was being kind and was trying to help you get out of the hole you have dug for yourself.

By the end of the second set it was obvious something was wrong with Nadal. The winners he was attempting to play were very unusual for him. That suggested only two possibilities -possibly related. He was injured or he was fatigued. The two often go together. The extra energy he was putting into the shots to try and end the rallies is very fatiguing. Anyone who plays tennis knows that. It's like a boxer punching themselves out, not pacing themselves.

But as I said. No big deal you missed it. Lots of people did.
 

Eren

Professional
I've always said Djokovic was the best of the Big 3. He just has that little bit extra that the other two struggle to cope with.

He would already be the slam record holder if not for his strange personality and Covid.
Wawrinka did some damage tbh. Djoko would be undisputed GOAT if not for those 3 losses at the AO QF 2014, RG F 2015, USO F 2016.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
No, I was being kind and was trying to help you get out of the hole you have dug for yourself.

By the end of the second set it was obvious something was wrong with Nadal. The winners he was attempting to play were very unusual for him. That suggested only two possibilities -possibly related. He was injured or he was fatigued. The two often go together. The extra energy he was putting into the shots to try and end the rallies is very fatiguing. Anyone who plays tennis knows that. It's like a boxer punching themselves out, not pacing themselves.

But as I said. No big deal you missed it. Lots of people did.
Nobody cares, nor are you some "magic" tennis analyst! If you are a Nadal fan, you should feel embarrassed if he actually used this excuse. I too get tired and have more issues if I am exhausted! I am not Nadal though! What utter rubbish.
Most of us know who really knows tennis among the posters here, and it is not you.
 

Eren

Professional
Rafa says he has had a nagging scaphoid bone wrist injury since 2005.

"I had a bandage that was compressing me too much and it was already unbearable."​
Scaphoid_bone

You serious? Did Nadal himself say this after the match or are you just trolling?
 
Nobody cares, nor are you some "magic" tennis analyst! If you are a Nadal fan, you should feel embarrassed if he actually used this excuse. I too get tired and have more issues if I am exhausted! I am not Nadal though! What utter rubbish.
Most of us know who really knows tennis among the posters here, and it is not you.
No need to get upset. I simply call it as I see it. I thought Djokovic was the favourite and was mocked for it. I thought something was wrong with Nadal -possibly an injury -by the end of the 2nd set.

You and others called it differently. No big deal. That's part of what makes tennis great. People analyze it in different ways.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
No need to get upset. I simply call it as I see it. I thought Djokovic was the favourite and was mocked for it. I thought something was wrong with Nadal -possibly an injury -by the end of the 2nd set.

You and others called it differently. No big deal. That's part of what makes tennis great. People analyze it in different ways.
Again, show us the picture of the bandage?
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
No, I was being kind and was trying to help you get out of the hole you have dug for yourself.

You said the injury was clear in the OP, now it's apparently subtle.

By the end of the second set it was obvious something was wrong with Nadal. The winners he was attempting to play were very unusual for him. That suggested only two possibilities -possibly related. He was injured or he was fatigued. The two often go together. The extra energy he was putting into the shots to try and end the rallies is very fatiguing. Anyone who plays tennis knows that. It's like a boxer punching themselves out, not pacing themselves.

But as I said. No big deal you missed it. Lots of people did.

Nadal was injured because he was attempting to hit winners? Nadal has been hitting plenty of winners at the FO the last few years, even last year he beat Novak convincingly because he dominated shorter rallies while Novak had the edge in longer ones.

Nadal hasn't been grinding people down on clay for quite a few years now. Ever since teaming up with Moya Nadal upped the aggression in his game.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
Nadal was fatigued because Nole was having him run like ping pong left and right and he was standing so far behind the baseline, he might have played from Spain!
 

jstr

Rookie
If he was injured, I didn't see it. Nadal even went into his customary "higher gear" in the 3rd and 4th set to little avail. Djoko was just able to gain "one more shot necessary" percentages over the course of the ordeal, similar to his Wimbledon wins against Federer.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
You said the injury was clear in the OP, now it's apparently subtle.



Nadal was injured because he was attempting to hit winners? Nadal has been hitting plenty of winners at the FO the last few years, even last year he beat Novak convincingly because he dominated shorter rallies while Novak had the edge in longer ones.

Nadal hasn't been grinding people down on clay for quite a few years now. Ever since teaming up with Moya Nadal upped the aggression in his game.
Right? But, some youngest poster is being kind to us? Sparing us? Who have been on TTW for over 10 years? LOL!
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
I suspected Djokovic would win -I had him slight favourite before the match -and he was the deserved victor, but Nadal was clearly injured. It was obvious there was something wrong as early as the 2nd set. Both things can be true. Both ARE true.

Well done to both men. You played like true champions. Staying in the tournament and giving your all on the court, fighting to your last drop of energy as befits ATGs.

We salute you!
was the injury to his wrist or his ankle?
 
Let's see man.
Today's win is almost like a slam win in itself .

I am fine even if Novak loses on Sunday..

I like shock and surprise in sports and Novak provided that to us today . Tennis fans should be happy about this ..:)
This almost feels like how Fed was dethroned at 2008 WB final. It was shocking aswell .
Nadal has never lost a RG final, it's not the same.
 

Desertman

Hall of Fame
I suspected Djokovic would win -I had him slight favourite before the match -and he was the deserved victor, but Nadal was clearly injured. It was obvious there was something wrong as early as the 2nd set. Both things can be true. Both ARE true.

Well done to both men. You played like true champions. Staying in the tournament and giving your all on the court, fighting to your last drop of energy as befits ATGs.

We salute you!
The only thing Nadal injured was his pride.
 

HelenCH

Rookie
Once a player steps on a court and don't retire during the match they are fit. Injured ones have two options: either to withdraw before the match or to start the match and retire; if none is taken, a player is fit.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I’ve watched the match twice now and haven’t seen the slight sense of any injury impacting Nadal’s play. The topspin speed and RPM of his shots shown occasionally also had no dropoff from previous matches. It looked like Nadal had to run a lot more than Djokovic and that probably fatigued him by the end of the match.

His will to win was slowly eroded mentally by Djokovic’s higher level of serving and returning in the fourth set also and he physically didn’t seem to try as hard and went for winners quicker after that. But, I looked at it as a testament to Djokovic wearing him down just like Nadal typically does to his opponents.
 
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Some have poor inventing skills, that's for sure.

No proof of his injury, no pic, no video, Rafa himself didn't say he was injured, played to finish, you don't even know what part of body you invented he injured. Lol.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
No, not always injured.The scaphoid condition has existed since 2005.
But Rafa says it flares up only after long matches.

Scaphoid-Bone.jpg
How many 4+ hour matches has Rafa played since 2005, that he did not even mention this?
I think they were not so few.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Once a player steps on a court and don't retire during the match they are fit. Injured ones have two options: either to withdraw before the match or to start the match and retire; if none is taken, a player is fit.

You are a truth-teller.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I think I've even felt my scaphoid trying to hit the famous Nadal forehand. If it was affecting him, then all that means is that there is a price to be paid for going off-textbook.
 

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
Nadal takes injury timeouts for the smallest injuries in the world (still within the rules), so why wouldn't he if he had such a serious wrist injury? Sounds fishy.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
Why isn't anyone mentioning this Semi effectively being a night match from the middle of the third set?

Djoker had a taste of this in the 2012 final where he reeled off 8 straight games until the drizzle & Nadal's complaints were too much.

I firmly believe if this was the first semi played from 3pm as opposed to 7pm Nadal would have won this.

How many night matche did Djoker ever have vs Rafa @ RG??

I think the answer is zero!

Edit Rafa even mentioned the fact in his post match presser' that the night conditions killed his spin & were more favourable for Djoker. It wasn't sore loser talk from Rafa on this occasion as it was just blatantly obvious raw truth of the situation!

Djoker has even admitted in the past that he prefers night matches.
 

reef58

Semi-Pro
No need to get upset. I simply call it as I see it. I thought Djokovic was the favourite and was mocked for it. I thought something was wrong with Nadal -possibly an injury -by the end of the 2nd set.

You and others called it differently. No big deal. That's part of what makes tennis great. People analyze it in different ways.

I think Nole was injured at the end of the second set also, so it is even for both players. That is how I see it.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It's a bit like Naomi saying she'd rather not do a presser. Decisions are made on a commercial basis, so players don't get to choose.

Why isn't anyone mentioning this Semi effectively being a night match from the middle of the third set?

Djoker had a taste of this in the 2012 final where he reeled off 8 straight games until the drizzle & Nadal's complaints were too much.

I firmly believe if this was the first semi played from 3pm as opposed to 7pm Nadal would have won this.

How many night matche did Djoker ever have vs Rafa @ RG??

I think the answer is zero!

Edit Rafa even mentioned the fact in his post match presser' that the night conditions killed his spin & were more favourable for Djoker. It wasn't sore loser talk from Rafa on this occasion as it was just blatantly obvious raw truth of the situation!

Djoker has even admitted in the past that he prefers night matches.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Edit Rafa even mentioned the fact in his post match presser' that the night conditions killed his spin & were more favourable for Djoker. It wasn't sore loser talk from Rafa on this occasion as it was just blatantly obvious raw truth of the situation!

Djoker has even admitted in the past that he prefers night matches.

If you read between the lines, Rafa is saying he wins this match if it is played in the daytime. But Roland Garros desperately needs the TV audience so it is scheduled later with players ridiculously running around at midnight.

Yes, this is how capitalism works, for better or for worse. Deal with it.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
If you read between the lines, Rafa is saying he wins this match if it is played in the daytime. But Roland Garros desperately needs the TV audience so it is scheduled later with players ridiculously running around at midnight.

Yes, this is how capitalism works, for better or for worse. Deal with it.

Me or the world?

I was hoping for a night match to give Djoker an edge. I was just pointing out an obvious fact.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
It's a bit like Naomi saying she'd rather not do a presser. Decisions are made on a commercial basis, so players don't get to choose.

Are you trying to say that Nadal was peeved that he had to play Djoker during the night conditions & it was really obvious?
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Are you trying to say that Nadal was peeved that he had to play Djoker during the night conditions & it was really obvious?

She is a malcontent who claims that asking about her clay record is an attack on her mental health. What next? Should fans also be prohibited from booing a player during a match? That causes far greater mental anguish to the player.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
Ideally, these matches should be played in daytime conditions just as they have been for 100 years. But that is no longer the way of the world.

Wasn't it nice to finally see a DjokerDal night match on court Pilliip Chatrier??

We know how this match plays out during sunny conditions + Nadal has won 13 French Opens. What an achievement for him would it have been to defeat an in form Djoker playing with his most favorable condition???

Even if i were a Nadal fan i would have wanted this extra RG achievement! After 13 crowns there wasn't much left for Nadal to accomplish here apart from the above.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
She is a malcontent who claims that asking about her clay record is an attack on her mental health. What next? Should fans also be prohibited from booing a player during a match? That causes far greater mental anguish to the player.

I don't follow the w.t.a. as it's substandard in comparison to the men's game :p
 

weelie

Professional
All the clay season I’ve been looking for the menacing look in Rafa’s eyes, and the killer robot way he hits the ball, wins the point, cleans the lines with his shoes, rinse repeat… hardly saw that at all, only in glimpses…
 

Chatrier

New User
The “quote” that has been posted regarding Rafa’s issue on Friday has been inaccurately reported or mistranslated. It shouldn’t have been so hard for anyone to realise that what is being referred to is a tarsal scaphoid, therefore it’s his foot rather than his wrist. That is the issue that Rafa has had since 2005. He had the tape ("bandage") removed from his foot in Friday’s match. I don’t know why he didn’t have it replaced, I’d guess he knew he’d already as good as lost and/or it wasn’t going to help. There was no MTO, maybe some of you were watching the match with adverts shown during the changeovers and didn’t see what happened.

I'm not making excuses, it is what it is and Djokovic played really well, congratulations to him.
 
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