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Novak Djokovic earned one of the biggest wins of his career against Rafael Nadal on Friday evening in their blockbuster Roland Garros semi-final, which was one of the best matches of the season, full of twists, turns and sensational tennis.

The odds were stacked against the World No. 1, as Nadal was 105-2 at the clay-court Grand Slam and 7-1 at this tournament against him. But Djokovic showed incredible mental fortitude and physical skill in a 3-6, 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-2 victory over four hours and 22 minutes.

"It was for sure the most beautiful match I've played here in Paris," Djokovic said on court in French.

The top seed lost the first five games and appeared in danger of letting the match slip away. But Djokovic never lost his focus against the 13-time champion, and now he will play 2019 Nitto ATP Finals winner Stefanos Tsitsipas for the Coupe des Mousquetaires.
Infosys Stats - Djokovic v Nadal

Stat Novak Djokovic Rafael Nadal
1st-Serve Pts Won 65% (55/85) 59% (51/86)
2nd-Serve Pts Won 50% (24/48) 40% (19/47)
Return Pts Won 47% (63/133) 41% (54/133)
Net Pts Won 65% (20/31) 73% (11/15)
Break Pts Converted 36% (8/22) 38% (6/16)
Winners 50 48
Unforced Errors 37 55

Nadal was chasing a record 21st Grand Slam title, which would have moved him past Roger Federer to stand alone atop the all-time list. But now Djokovic is one victory from completing a second Career Grand Slam and earn his 19th major crown, which would put him within one of Federer and Nadal.
Based on his nearly flawless performance Friday, you would not know that Djokovic trailed Lorenzo Musetti two sets to none in the fourth round here and won just seven games against Nadal in last year's Roland Garros final. The Spaniard overwhelms opponents with his unrelenting play and unmatched focus. But Nadal ran out of answers against Djokovic's all-around jaw-dropping tennis.

The match was played on Court Philippe-Chatrier in front of a raucuous crowd, which was allowed to stay for the whole match despite a curfew in France. It was the best atmosphere since the return of fans following the COVID-19 pandemic.

"You tell yourself there is no pressure," Djokovic said. "But there is a lot of pressure, trust me."


In these legends' historic ATP Head2Head rivalry, the winner of the first set had claimed 50 of their 57 meetings. Not since the 2014 Roland Garros final, won by Nadal, had one of them triumphed after losing the first set. But Djokovic flipped the script to advance to his sixth final at the clay-court Grand Slam.

“I was feeling good mentally, physically. I was motivated. I had a really clear plan in tactics, what I needed to do in order to perform better than I [did] in last year's final,” Djokovic said. “The beginning of the match was kind of resembling last year's final, but I just managed to get myself back into the first set. Even though I lost it, I felt like 3-6 down, I found my game.”
The third set proved pivotal, and it was like a heavyweight fight, with both superstars trading haymakers. They showed incredible shotmaking, athleticism and mental fortitude, playing their very best in one of the best sets in years, featuring four service breaks and 14 break points.

Djokovic let slip a chance to serve out the set at 5-4, 30/0, with a missed mid-court forehand into the net slowing his momentum. But the Serbian saved a set point at 5-6 with a daring drop shot, and he battled through a thrilling tie-break in which he chased down two critical drop shots and eventually won those points. Nadal mishit a high forehand volley long, and that proved costly.

Nadal showed his trademark grit by breaking serve immediately in the fourth set. But Djokovic accelerated to the finish, winning the final six games to reach the final.
After a slow start, the Serbian was able to pin the third seed in his backhand corner to prevent the lefty from taking the initiative in rallies with his devastating forehand. In last year's final, Djokovic bailed out of rallies early by using many drop shots. This time, Nadal was going away from his typical patterns, and after the first set he was unable to control play from the middle of the court consistently.

The top seed put Nadal under pressure in the first game of the match, earning two break points. But after saving those break points with big serves, the Spaniard raced to a 5-0 lead and eventually took the set 6-3 despite a late charge from Djokovic.

“Even though I didn't have such a great start, I was not too nervous, because I felt like I was hitting the ball very well,” Djokovic said. “It was just a matter of me working my way into the match and adjusting to his ball, which is completely different than any other player's ball. The amount of spin he plays with from the forehand corner, it's tremendous. But I was ready.”
Nadal showed great intensity from the first ball in the opener, attacking relentlessly and forcing Djokovic to try to play offence from difficult positions on the court. At points, the Serbian blasted balls at the lefty's forehand and had success, but he struggled with his drop shot, much like he did in last year's championship match on this court.

When Nadal took the first big strike in rallies, he was more effective at maintaining control of points and finishing them. He hit his third double fault of the match to give a break back, and that turned the tide. Djokovic settled down to push the Spaniard in his next service game. Although he was unable to win the set, he successfully found his rhythm and carried that momentum into the second set.

The 2016 champion let slip an early break advantage in the second with a few unforced errors doing the damage. But Djokovic remained calm and earned the decisive break at 3-2. The top seed, who at times struggled to put points away at the net, saved two break points at 5-3 before levelling the match.
Djokovic put pressure on Nadal in almost every service game, and that left the 13-time champion scrambling for a way to change the rhythm of the match. Even after Nadal worked hard to retrieve one break and get back on serve in the middle of the third set, the World No. 1 was undeterred.
The 34-year-old broke back in the next game to lead 4-3 when Nadal missed a forehand into the net. The pair’s level was scintillating, with former World No. 1 Andy Murray tweeting, “You cannot play better clay court tennis than this. It’s perfect.”
 
Another former World No. 1, Andy Roddick, chimed in by saying, "To this point, it's one of the best matches I've ever seen."

Nadal had only lost one set this tournament entering the semi-finals, and that came in the quarter-finals against Diego Schwartzman. Four of the Spaniard's seven Roland Garros victories against Djokovic came in straight sets.

The last two times Djokovic and Nadal met in a Grand Slam semi-final, they also produced unforgettable matches. At Wimbledon in 2018, Djokovic defeated Nadal 10-8 in the fifth set. At Roland Garros in 2013, Djokovic served at 4-3, 40/40 in a tension-filled fifth set, but inexplicably ran into the net while moving forward to put away an easy forehand volley. The Spaniard eventually won 9-7 in the decider.

Djokovic now leads their historic ATP Head2Head rivalry 30-28, and he snapped a five-match losing streak against his great rival on clay.
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Djokovic's next opponent, Tsitsipas, battled past Alexander Zverev 6-3, 6-3, 4-6, 4-6, 6-3 in three hours and 37 minutes in the day's first semi-final. The Serbian owns a 5-2 advantage against the 22-year-old, and he defeated him in five sets in last year's Roland Garros semi-finals.



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The problem with the overreaction of pundits most of whom dislike Nadal is that Nadal hit 55 UFEs. Only 48 winners.
In last year final Nadal hit about 17 UFEs.
Nadal serve percentage of 58 per cent is abysmal even on a fast court. On clay at his best he is around 70pct.
There is no way around this. Nadal was abysmal. The stats above clearly show it.
Sadly his performance last night is now common for him. He is in decline. He played very similar against Rublev in MC.
There is a risk here Djokovic thinks he did better than he did.
 
Djokovic has not won the FO yet so the word “dethrone” is inappropriate. So far he was only able to “upset” the favorite Nadal but it will all be pointless if he loses to city pass tomorrow.
 

Novak Djokovic earned one of the biggest wins of his career against Rafael Nadal on Friday evening in their blockbuster Roland Garros semi-final, which was one of the best matches of the season, full of twists, turns and sensational tennis.

The odds were stacked against the World No. 1, as Nadal was 105-2 at the clay-court Grand Slam and 7-1 at this tournament against him. But Djokovic showed incredible mental fortitude and physical skill in a 3-6, 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-2 victory over four hours and 22 minutes.

"It was for sure the most beautiful match I've played here in Paris," Djokovic said on court in French.

The top seed lost the first five games and appeared in danger of letting the match slip away. But Djokovic never lost his focus against the 13-time champion, and now he will play 2019 Nitto ATP Finals winner Stefanos Tsitsipas for the Coupe des Mousquetaires.
Infosys Stats - Djokovic v Nadal

StatNovak DjokovicRafael Nadal
1st-Serve Pts Won65% (55/85)59% (51/86)
2nd-Serve Pts Won50% (24/48)40% (19/47)
Return Pts Won47% (63/133)41% (54/133)
Net Pts Won65% (20/31)73% (11/15)
Break Pts Converted36% (8/22)38% (6/16)
Winners5048
Unforced Errors3755

Nadal was chasing a record 21st Grand Slam title, which would have moved him past Roger Federer to stand alone atop the all-time list. But now Djokovic is one victory from completing a second Career Grand Slam and earn his 19th major crown, which would put him within one of Federer and Nadal.
Based on his nearly flawless performance Friday, you would not know that Djokovic trailed Lorenzo Musetti two sets to none in the fourth round here and won just seven games against Nadal in last year's Roland Garros final. The Spaniard overwhelms opponents with his unrelenting play and unmatched focus. But Nadal ran out of answers against Djokovic's all-around jaw-dropping tennis.

The match was played on Court Philippe-Chatrier in front of a raucuous crowd, which was allowed to stay for the whole match despite a curfew in France. It was the best atmosphere since the return of fans following the COVID-19 pandemic.

"You tell yourself there is no pressure," Djokovic said. "But there is a lot of pressure, trust me."


In these legends' historic ATP Head2Head rivalry, the winner of the first set had claimed 50 of their 57 meetings. Not since the 2014 Roland Garros final, won by Nadal, had one of them triumphed after losing the first set. But Djokovic flipped the script to advance to his sixth final at the clay-court Grand Slam.

“I was feeling good mentally, physically. I was motivated. I had a really clear plan in tactics, what I needed to do in order to perform better than I [did] in last year's final,” Djokovic said. “The beginning of the match was kind of resembling last year's final, but I just managed to get myself back into the first set. Even though I lost it, I felt like 3-6 down, I found my game.”
The third set proved pivotal, and it was like a heavyweight fight, with both superstars trading haymakers. They showed incredible shotmaking, athleticism and mental fortitude, playing their very best in one of the best sets in years, featuring four service breaks and 14 break points.

Djokovic let slip a chance to serve out the set at 5-4, 30/0, with a missed mid-court forehand into the net slowing his momentum. But the Serbian saved a set point at 5-6 with a daring drop shot, and he battled through a thrilling tie-break in which he chased down two critical drop shots and eventually won those points. Nadal mishit a high forehand volley long, and that proved costly.

Nadal showed his trademark grit by breaking serve immediately in the fourth set. But Djokovic accelerated to the finish, winning the final six games to reach the final.
After a slow start, the Serbian was able to pin the third seed in his backhand corner to prevent the lefty from taking the initiative in rallies with his devastating forehand. In last year's final, Djokovic bailed out of rallies early by using many drop shots. This time, Nadal was going away from his typical patterns, and after the first set he was unable to control play from the middle of the court consistently.

The top seed put Nadal under pressure in the first game of the match, earning two break points. But after saving those break points with big serves, the Spaniard raced to a 5-0 lead and eventually took the set 6-3 despite a late charge from Djokovic.

“Even though I didn't have such a great start, I was not too nervous, because I felt like I was hitting the ball very well,” Djokovic said. “It was just a matter of me working my way into the match and adjusting to his ball, which is completely different than any other player's ball. The amount of spin he plays with from the forehand corner, it's tremendous. But I was ready.”
Nadal showed great intensity from the first ball in the opener, attacking relentlessly and forcing Djokovic to try to play offence from difficult positions on the court. At points, the Serbian blasted balls at the lefty's forehand and had success, but he struggled with his drop shot, much like he did in last year's championship match on this court.

When Nadal took the first big strike in rallies, he was more effective at maintaining control of points and finishing them. He hit his third double fault of the match to give a break back, and that turned the tide. Djokovic settled down to push the Spaniard in his next service game. Although he was unable to win the set, he successfully found his rhythm and carried that momentum into the second set.

The 2016 champion let slip an early break advantage in the second with a few unforced errors doing the damage. But Djokovic remained calm and earned the decisive break at 3-2. The top seed, who at times struggled to put points away at the net, saved two break points at 5-3 before levelling the match.
Djokovic put pressure on Nadal in almost every service game, and that left the 13-time champion scrambling for a way to change the rhythm of the match. Even after Nadal worked hard to retrieve one break and get back on serve in the middle of the third set, the World No. 1 was undeterred.
The 34-year-old broke back in the next game to lead 4-3 when Nadal missed a forehand into the net. The pair’s level was scintillating, with former World No. 1 Andy Murray tweeting, “You cannot play better clay court tennis than this. It’s perfect.”
“Djokovic sucks at volleys”
“Djokovic has no weapons”

lol
 
Nadal made 55 UFEs and Djokovic fans are acting like Djokovic achieved mission impossible.
Yesterday Nadal playing like that would have lost to Berrettini. He was woeful. 10 DFs 56 UFEs. I cannot find a match in Nadals career where he hit that many UFEs and DFs.

I'm ok with it though bc I would have burned their village down with my level of trolling if Nadal won :D
 
Nadal made 55 UFEs and Djokovic fans are acting like Djokovic achieved mission impossible.
Yesterday Nadal playing like that would have lost to Berrettini. He was woeful. 10 DFs 56 UFEs. I cannot find a match in Nadals career where he hit that many UFEs and DFs.

He made 55 unforced errors due to the pressure Djokovic imposed. Against any other player he wouldn't have made that many mistakes.

You know that, but as a troll, you keep posting ********.
 
I remember how Wimbledon 2019 Win changed people's perception about Djokovic . Most neutral tennis fans started respecting Novak after pulling out victory from jaws of defeat .
People who used to ignore him as a third-wheeler started to acknowledge his greatness .

And now RG2021 is a career defining match . Noone believed Novak stands a chance to beat Nadal in semi-Finals on Nadals most favourite Court .
And almost all tennis universe witnessed the mockery Nadal made of Djokovic and bagelled him in finals just 8 months back .
From losing 1st set to destroying Nadal's game-plan and playing a tactical genius match for next 3 hours and pulling out an impossible victory after being 0-5 down ,it was just historic . He managed to do the toughest thing in sport ,that is to beat Rafa at Roland Garros .

This match clearly elevates the legendary status of Djokovic to highest levels .
 
I'm ok with it though bc I would have burned their village down with my level of trolling if Nadal won :D
I would not have even bothered lol as for me Djokovic was not the main goal. The trophy was so id have waited till Nadal had won.
Nobody can answer the Nadal 56 UFEs point. Just a wall of silence lol.
 
He made 55 unforced errors due to the pressure Djokovic imposed. Against any other player he wouldn't have made that many mistakes.

You know that, but as a troll, you keep posting ********.
Hmmmm. Think you confusing forced errors with unforced bud.
10 DFs for instance not really due to anyone but Nadal.
Also he made a ton v Sinner bud
 
I remember how Wimbledon 2019 Win changed people's perception about Djokovic . Most neutral tennis fans started respecting Novak after pulling out victory from jaws of defeat .
People who used to ignore him as a third-wheeler started to acknowledge his greatness .

And now RG2021 is a career defining match . Noone believed Novak stands a chance to beat Nadal in semi-Finals on Nadals most favourite Court .
And almost all tennis universe witnessed the mockery Nadal made of Djokovic and bagelled him in finals just 8 months back .
From losing 1st set to destroying Nadal's game-plan and playing a tactical genius match for next 3 hours and pulling out an impossible victory after being 0-5 down ,it was just historic . He managed to do the toughest thing in sport ,that is to beat Rafa at Roland Garros .

This match clearly elevates the legendary status of Djokovic to highest levels .

But yet he still can’t beat Kyrgios, anywhere.:confused:
 
Nadal made 55 UFEs and Djokovic fans are acting like Djokovic achieved mission impossible.
Yesterday Nadal playing like that would have lost to Berrettini. He was woeful. 10 DFs 56 UFEs. I cannot find a match in Nadals career where he hit that many UFEs and DFs.

That is a reach.

Berretini has no backhand, Nadal would target that for a 6-2 flush win.
 
Hmmmm. Think you confusing forced errors with unforced bud.
10 DFs for instance not really due to anyone but Nadal.
Also he made a ton v Sinner bud

I'm not confusing. When Djokovic is in Ultron mode, you only have a chance if you press him, and the closer you are to risk, the more you will miss.

That was Stanimal's great virtue. He was able to take a risk and miss very little on big points.
 
I'm not confusing. When Djokovic is in Ultron mode, you only have a chance if you press him, and the closer you are to risk, the more you will miss.

That was Stanimal's great virtue. He was able to take a risk and miss very little on big points.
Had Nadal played like FO 2020 it would have been same scoreline. Djokovic was not in Ultron mode. He his 37 UFEs .
Not many pro matches have 92 UFEs.
 
I'm not confusing. When Djokovic is in Ultron mode, you only have a chance if you press him, and the closer you are to risk, the more you will miss.

That was Stanimal's great virtue. He was able to take a risk and miss very little on big points.
What Stan did in the 2015 Final was a great strategy of holding serve using his forehand to bludgeon the ball and then attacking Novak's serve. Djokovic cooperated with Stan by hitting back the same type of ball in every rally so that Stan could get into a good rhythm and tee off.
 
Djokovic has not won the FO yet so the word “dethrone” is inappropriate. So far he was only able to “upset” the favorite Nadal but it will all be pointless if he loses to city pass tomorrow.
Even if he lose, it won't be pointless, because Nadal won't get the 21, and Djoko won't have to win +1.
Big difference, don't you think.
 
Even if he lose, it won't be pointless, because Nadal won't get the 21, and Djoko won't have to win +1.
Big difference, don't you think.
No if Djokovic loses tomorrow it is a disaster. He wont be beating Tsitsipas again. He wont be getting 20 Majors.
He has to win tomorrow. And he has to win W.
 
I'm not confusing. When Djokovic is in Ultron mode, you only have a chance if you press him, and the closer you are to risk, the more you will miss.

That was Stanimal's great virtue. He was able to take a risk and miss very little on big points.
I think Lorenzo Musetti shows how you should play against Djokovic. I always though, based on my judgment, that the best way is to not give Djokovic a rhythm. If you just blast the ball, it will come back faster, because of his blocks. You should play with imagination as much as you can, and use a wide variety of shots. Musetti did a great job, but he didn't have stamina for more than 2 sets. I pretty much see he struggle at the end of the first to be fair.
There was 1 match against Federer on the ATP finals, where Fed beat him straight up, and main reason was because of he didn't give him any rhythm at all.
You need imagination and variety in your game, not to be just a "blaster".
 
No if Djokovic loses tomorrow it is a disaster. He wont be beating Tsitsipas again. He wont be getting 20 Majors.
He has to win tomorrow. And he has to win W.
Every single post you are overreacting. If you want people to take you seriously, just stop.
Firstable, there is a big IF he lose, and even if he, he can still get 20 at the end of the year. Even if he just won 1, he will be at 19, and next year could make it 20. Not that hard, right ?
Nothing will hurt him, even if he lose tomorrow, which is still a big stretch.
 
Even if he lose, it won't be pointless, because Nadal won't get the 21, and Djoko won't have to win +1.
Big difference, don't you think.

Not a big difference. Nadal has 20 slams already and is part of the coveted historic legendary Club 20. He doesn't need to win any more slams. Djokovic however does in order to join Fedal and if he doesn't win tomorrow he will still need 2.
 
The most important thing for Djokovic in the Slams race is not to beat Roland Garros, but to prevent Nadal from winning.

Nole won where they expected him to win: Australian Open. Nadal failed to win Roland Garros.

Even if he loses RG 2021, although it is disappointing, he will still be 20-20-18 and not 21-20-18 as expected.
 
Not a big difference. Nadal has 20 slams already and is part of the coveted historic legendary Club 20. He doesn't need to win any more slams. Djokovic however does in order to join Fedal and if he doesn't win tomorrow he will still need 2.
Yeah it's a big thing, because Djokovic want to have the most. Nadal also, no matter what he says. That was a huge hit for Nadal.
Nadal chances to get to 21 are super slim now, i can say pretty much equally to Federer getting a 21. And Djokovic have pretty much this and next year to make it to 20, 21 or even 22.
It won't be the end of the world if he somehow lose tomorrow, but for Nadal it definitely was!
 
Nadal made 55 UFEs and Djokovic fans are acting like Djokovic achieved mission impossible.
Yesterday Nadal playing like that would have lost to Berrettini. He was woeful. 10 DFs 56 UFEs. I cannot find a match in Nadals career where he hit that many UFEs and DFs.
Nobody can answer the Nadal 56 UFEs point. Just a wall of silence lol.
Hmmmm. Think you confusing forced errors with unforced bud.
10 DFs for instance not really due to anyone but Nadal.
Also he made a ton v Sinner bud
I'll give it a go. "would have lost to Berretini"/"woeful" => hyperbole/overstating your case.
8 DF's and 55 UFE's, not "10 DFs 56 UFEs", but close enough.
Rafa made 71 UFE's in their "greatest of all time" 2012 AO final. Rafa made 44 UFE in their great 2013 FO semi. On Friday, he was in the middle between those 2.

I'm not saying he was great/peak etc. Just not as bad as you claim.
Double faults are very much a function of what your opponent does to your serve. If Novak is punishing Rafa's 2nd serve, Rafa will try to put more ommph on it -> more DF's.
If you're under constant attack on your serve, your 1st serve percentage might also suffer.
The better your opponent defends, the more times you need to "win the point". I.e. playing Rafa/Novak/Murray and other great defenders tend to lead to a (much) higher amount of unforced errors compared to playing Isner/Karlovic/Opelka.
Novak's defence forces Rafa to go for the lines/go for broke earlier than he might want. And as it was evident Rafa couldn't hang with Novak physically on Friday, Novak's defence and superior physical endurance at this stage of their careers, forces Rafa to try and shorten the rallies -> taking the kind of risk he's successfully averted for most of his career.

In other words: Rafa had a choice between being killed slowly by rallying with Novak in the mid- and long rally categories - two categories Rafa has historically enjoyed, but where Novak got the better off him on Friday (see Brain Game). Or he go for the shorter rallies, a category which he successfully won despite his many double faults.
Alas, going for your shorts, before you give yourself a put away volley/put away forehand tends to increase the amount of unforced errors.

It's my contention that Rafa needed to take that risk as he couldn't hang with Novak physically for five full sets. Does this answer your question on the 55 UFE?
Again, I'm not saying he was playing great. Just not anything close to woeful either.
 
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I mean no, Djokovic losing RG tomorrow would be an absolutely crushing loss. Getting excuses in early doesn’t change that - getting surpassed by NextGen in a final, losing the chance to get 19 is huge when his clock is ticking.

We all saw Nadal yesterday - fatigued and despite able to push to his limit, his physical decline was evident. Never take a player who relies on movement as much as Djokovic for granted at age 34. For all we know this could be his last chance.
 
No if Djokovic loses tomorrow it is a disaster. He wont be beating Tsitsipas again. He wont be getting 20 Majors.
He has to win tomorrow. And he has to win W.
If Djokovic loses to Tsitsipas tmr, he won't ever beat Tsitsipas again on any court because.....?? Don't follow your logic here
I mean no, Djokovic losing RG tomorrow would be an absolutely crushing loss. Getting excuses in early doesn’t change that - getting surpassed by NextGen in a final, losing the chance to get 19 is huge when his clock is ticking.

We all saw Nadal yesterday - fatigued and despite able to push to his limit, his physical decline was evident. Never take a player who relies on movement as much as Djokovic for granted at age 34. For all we know this could be his last chance.
Did you see any sign of fatigue in Djoko's game on Friday? I didn't. No one knows whether Djoko will be a contender for slams for this season, the next 3 seasons or the next 5. Personally, I don't see him going anywhere for the foreseeable future. I don't see him being as dominant as in 2015-early 2016, but I see him as one of the favorites for the next many slams until proven otherwise/a steep decline suddenly happens.
 
I have said it for long time, that this and the next year are pretty much the chances for the so call Big 3 to wins majors.
With Federer, you never know. He could really play till 50s, if he is 100% fine after the knee. And even if he is on garbage level 80% of the time, he could have a easy draw somewhere, get some luck somewhere and somehow manage to steal 1 more.
A lot of stars need to be ordered for that, but its possible.
But what i don't see is Nadal/Djokovic to win any GS after 2022.
As i said already Nadal best chances are USO this year, AO next year(slim ones) and FO(even if he get super easy draw as usual) and pretty much thats it.
Djokovic have RG tomorrow, Wimbledon this year, USO, AO next year, RG next year, Wimbledon next year, USO next year, and i don't see him getting anymore to be fair. Maybe with a stretch AO 2023.
This is a pure speculation, but i have that in my mind for quite some time.
 
I mean no, Djokovic losing RG tomorrow would be an absolutely crushing loss. Getting excuses in early doesn’t change that - getting surpassed by NextGen in a final, losing the chance to get 19 is huge when his clock is ticking.

We all saw Nadal yesterday - fatigued and despite able to push to his limit, his physical decline was evident. Never take a player who relies on movement as much as Djokovic for granted at age 34. For all we know this could be his last chance.

Yes, it would be bad to lose the title. But if he wins Wimbledon in a few weeks, everything is back to normal.

The expected result was Djokovic leaving Roland Garros with 18 Slams, so in the worst case he will do as expected.

Man, if Federer was competitive at 37, Djokovic has everything to be, especially with his serve getting better. Barring injuries, there's no reason this should be Nole's last dance.
 
I have said it for long time, that this and the next year are pretty much the chances for the so call Big 3 to wins majors.
With Federer, you never know. He could really play till 50s, if he is 100% fine after the knee. And even if he is on garbage level 80% of the time, he could have a easy draw somewhere, get some luck somewhere and somehow manage to steal 1 more.
A lot of stars need to be ordered for that, but its possible.
But what i don't see is Nadal/Djokovic to win any GS after 2022.
As i said already Nadal best chances are USO this year, AO next year(slim ones) and FO(even if he get super easy draw as usual) and pretty much thats it.
Djokovic have RG tomorrow, Wimbledon this year, USO, AO next year, RG next year, Wimbledon next year, USO next year, and i don't see him getting anymore to be fair. Maybe with a stretch AO 2023.
This is a pure speculation, but i have that in my mind for quite some time.

With the serve getting better, I don't see why Djokovic would stop being competitive at 36 years old.

Even more considering that he is still the most fit 34-year-old player in history. Better than Nadal at 34 and better than Federer at 34.

Physically he is flying.

Tsitsipas at 22 years old is physically weaker than he at 34.
 
If Djokovic loses to Tsitsipas tmr, he won't ever beat Tsitsipas again on any court because.....?? Don't follow your logic here

Did you see any sign of fatigue in Djoko's game on Friday? I didn't. No one knows whether Djoko will be a contender for slams for this season, the next 3 seasons or the next 5. Personally, I don't see him going anywhere for the foreseeable future. I don't see him being as dominant as in 2015-early 2016, but I see him as one of the favorites for the next many slams until proven otherwise/a steep decline suddenly happens.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush. Simple as.

Yesterday he looked great, but let’s look holistically: clay season was rough for him and the Musetti performance showed his vulnerability and power decline. I’d still take him as favorite to win the next 3 Slams but with an Olympics this year? That’s a ton of tennis on 34 year old legs. If he had all the issues at age 29/30 after pulling off the NCYGS how can you expect his body to hold up better after potentially deep runs at all 4 majors this year?

You never see an ATG’s true decline coming until it happens, is the point. Who thought Nadal would lose at FO21 after his performance just 8 months ago? With only 2-3 years of real athletic prime left every Slam gets added importance. Who saw the US Open DQ coming? Another inch and that abdominal tear at the AO could have forced him out of the tournament. Nadal gets to the drop shot on SP, and Djokovic probably loses. The margins are razor thin right now.

I just don’t think you can count anything before it’s hatched, the risk of losing the physical ability to play to GS-winning potential increases every day. The most invincible looking is often the one most on the precipice of disaster.
 
Not a big difference. Nadal has 20 slams already and is part of the coveted historic legendary Club 20. He doesn't need to win any more slams. Djokovic however does in order to join Fedal and if he doesn't win tomorrow he will still need 2.

Do they chop his arms off if he doesn't get to 20? He gets what he gets. He has had a great career win or lose. He is a year younger than Nadal and years younger than Roger. He will have opportunities to get 20 if he is good enough. If he is not good enough to get to 20 life goes on. You act like he has to diffuse a bomb or something to save the city.
 
Federer being competitive at 37/38 doesn’t mean Djoker or Rafa will.
The fun stops for Nole at USO 22. That’s when the non big 3 is going to start really moving if they don’t do it before. So he’s got about six more chances to get 21.
 
The problem with the overreaction of pundits most of whom dislike Nadal is that Nadal hit 55 UFEs. Only 48 winners.
In last year final Nadal hit about 17 UFEs.
Nadal serve percentage of 58 per cent is abysmal even on a fast court. On clay at his best he is around 70pct.
There is no way around this. Nadal was abysmal. The stats above clearly show it.
Sadly his performance last night is now common for him. He is in decline. He played very similar against Rublev in MC.
There is a risk here Djokovic thinks he did better than he did.

....said the guy with the Nadal avatar
 
Watching the ,match, Nadals shots were way too obvious. He does this when hes lacking in confidence or something is wrong with his game.

Last years RG final, he was hitting to places Djokovic wasnt expecting, but last night, he went into his usual patterns of play, which doesnt work when Novak is painting lines.
 
I mean no, Djokovic losing RG tomorrow would be an absolutely crushing loss. Getting excuses in early doesn’t change that - getting surpassed by NextGen in a final, losing the chance to get 19 is huge when his clock is ticking.

We all saw Nadal yesterday - fatigued and despite able to push to his limit, his physical decline was evident. Never take a player who relies on movement as much as Djokovic for granted at age 34. For all we know this could be his last chance.
Did you see any sign of fatigue in Djoko's game on Friday? I didn't.
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush. Simple as.

Yesterday he looked great, but let’s look holistically: clay season was rough for him and the Musetti performance showed his vulnerability and power decline. I’d still take him as favorite to win the next 3 Slams but with an Olympics this year? That’s a ton of tennis on 34 year old legs. If he had all the issues at age 29/30 after pulling off the NCYGS how can you expect his body to hold up better after potentially deep runs at all 4 majors this year?

You never see an ATG’s true decline coming until it happens, is the point. Who thought Nadal would lose at FO21 after his performance just 8 months ago? With only 2-3 years of real athletic prime left every Slam gets added importance. Who saw the US Open DQ coming? Another inch and that abdominal tear at the AO could have forced him out of the tournament. Nadal gets to the drop shot on SP, and Djokovic probably loses. The margins are razor thin right now.

I just don’t think you can count anything before it’s hatched, the risk of losing the physical ability to play to GS-winning potential increases every day. The most invincible looking is often the one most on the precipice of disaster.
While I agree with everything you write, in principle, I expect Djokovic to have 2-3 years, or more, left as a slam contender. Needless to say, he could also never win another slam
 
Djokovic lost two sets in the tiebreak to Musetti and then won easily. Many speak as if he has been beaten.

Calm down, there were 2 tie-breaks.
 
Federer being competitive at 37/38 doesn’t mean Djoker or Rafa will.
The fun stops for Nole at USO 22. That’s when the non big 3 is going to start really moving if they don’t do it before. So he’s got about six more chances to get 21.

Why not?

Djokovic is getting better and better at serve, which gives him easier points and has reached the age of 34 better than Federer.
 
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush. Simple as.

Yesterday he looked great, but let’s look holistically: clay season was rough for him and the Musetti performance showed his vulnerability and power decline. I’d still take him as favorite to win the next 3 Slams but with an Olympics this year? That’s a ton of tennis on 34 year old legs. If he had all the issues at age 29/30 after pulling off the NCYGS how can you expect his body to hold up better after potentially deep runs at all 4 majors this year?

You never see an ATG’s true decline coming until it happens, is the point. Who thought Nadal would lose at FO21 after his performance just 8 months ago? With only 2-3 years of real athletic prime left every Slam gets added importance. Who saw the US Open DQ coming? Another inch and that abdominal tear at the AO could have forced him out of the tournament. Nadal gets to the drop shot on SP, and Djokovic probably loses. The margins are razor thin right now.

I just don’t think you can count anything before it’s hatched, the risk of losing the physical ability to play to GS-winning potential increases every day. The most invincible looking is often the one most on the precipice of disaster.

The Musetti performance showed anything but power decline. He started the match nervous and played tentative tennis so he did look vulnerable but came out there in the last 3 sets and blew the young man off the court. I mean just killed him with his power and shotmaking. It was that type of tennis that let me know he could put up a real challenge to Nadal and that's what he ended up doing. Where I thought Djokovic declined since 2016 was his weight of shot, heaviness because he used such great spin back then, but even in the SF he put more spin on the ball against Nadal, although not as great as he did 5 years ago. Still, that made a big difference in the end because he was able to push Nadal back often and used that short angled spin with his crosscourt forehand to perfection.
 
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