Djokovic doesn’t get what it takes to be loved

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Not really. Austria used the assassination of Franz Ferdinand to attack Serbia. Austria was looking for any excuse in years prior to attack Serbia. In order to secure it as a "colony." It was mad that Serbia got Independence as it wanted Serbia for itself. Serbia knew it was too weak from fighting the Balkan Wars to engage in a a major conflict with Austria, and prior to 1914 complied with every demand Austria gave the small country, even the most unreasonable ones.
Serbia is responsible for WWI similarly to Poland being responsible for WWII.
 

Rina

Professional
And Djokovic was obviously responsible for this political, unrelated thread subject discussion.
It is actually very related. Serbs were often portrayed as evil during the 90s and 2000s in the media due to the wars in Yugoslavia. More so than the others in the conflict that happened. They did some terrible things, but so did the other sides involved. Since then the perception of Serbs in the public and even in private lives has been that they are butchers, evil, nationalists, etc... Djokovic's dislike is a direct result of this same issue as he is not isolated no nation person. There is also a touch of Russo phobia involved about Serbia, as they have historically been strong allies, and we know that Russo-phobia is ever present in the U.S. and Western media. So, yes, it is very related. Djokovic is not liked because of his country of origin and its perception in the West.
 

Sudacafan

Talk Tennis Guru
It is actually very related. Serbs were often portrayed as evil during the 90s and 2000s in the media due to the wars in Yugoslavia. More so than the others in the conflict that happened. They did some terrible things, but so did the other sides involved. Since then the perception of Serbs in the public and even in private lives has been that they are butchers, evil, nationalists, etc... Djokovic's dislike is a direct result of this same issue as he is not isolated no nation person. There is also a touch of Russo phobia involved about Serbia, as they have historically been strong allies, and we know that Russo-phobia is ever present in the U.S. and Western media. So, yes, it is very related. Djokovic is not liked because of his country of origin and its perception in the West.
Oh, very interesting insight.
I just started to dislike him when he began doing this:



And then came 40-15
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
It is actually very related. Serbs were often portrayed as evil during the 90s and 2000s in the media due to the wars in Yugoslavia. More so than the others in the conflict that happened. They did some terrible things, but so did the other sides involved. Since then the perception of Serbs in the public and even in private lives has been that they are butchers, evil, nationalists, etc... Djokovic's dislike is a direct result of this same issue as he is not isolated no nation person. There is also a touch of Russo phobia involved about Serbia, as they have historically been strong allies, and we know that Russo-phobia is ever present in the U.S. and Western media. So, yes, it is very related. Djokovic is not liked because of his country of origin and its perception in the West.
I doubt there is any anti-Serbian bias that affects whether they are fans of any Serbian player, or not. The Russian players on tour are all generally popular even though Russia is generally unpopular and Medvedev won over NY, after first being a villian. I sympathize with Djokovic because he was the last to enter the big three and by the time he came along most devoted tennis fans were already Fed fans or Nadal fans making little room for a Djoker fan base. I think that Djokovic in person is warm and funny, but somehow it doesn't quite translate in public. For my part I think he is worthy of more respect than he gets, but that lack of respect has little to do with him being Serbian. Tennis fans would cheer for a North Korean player if he had a dynamic one handed back-hand despite disliking North Korea. By the way the Serbian fans were very annoying when Djokovic played my boy Shapo at the ATP Cup so they are NOT on my good list. Also, incidentally, I do think that Serbians were wrongly portrayed during the Bosnian - Serbian war.
 
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SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
You're right, however I have noticed that his following/ crowd support has been slowly shrinking over the years. Notable exception was the ATP Cup where he had great local support from the Serbian community.
Off topic Q:

You own any Yoneyama frames? I recall a couple of YY tennis frames (aluminum) I bought in the early/mid 1970s. When I started buying badminton rackets, 1980 or so, the YY brand name had become Yonex. When did you notice the name change in your part of rhe world?
 
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Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
Off topic Q:

You own any Yoneyama frames? I recall a couple of YY tennis frames (aluminum) I bought in the early/mid 1970s. When I started buying bsdminton rackets, 1980 or so, the YY brand name had become Yonex. When did you notice the name change in your part of rhe world?
The oldest Yonex's I own are a pair of new old stock wooden Yonex Couguss YY7200's. They are all labelled as Yonex though, but the YY code still refers to Yoneyama. Interestingly, some of the metal frames released at the same time were still labelled as Yonex Yoneyama's. I posted some pictures here of my racquets + the booklets that came with them.


I would love to get some Yoneyama labelled racquets however - just for collecting. I have come across a few on Rakuten but they were super roughed up.
 

mxmx

Hall of Fame
I doubt there is any anti-Serbian bias that affects whether they are fans of any Serbian player, or not. The Russian players on tour are all generally popular even though Russia is generally unpopular and Medvedev won over NY, after first being a villian. I sympathize with Djokovic because he was the last to enter the big three and by the time he came along most devoted tennis fans were already Fed fans or Nadal fans making little room for a Djoker fan base. I think that Djokovic in person is warm and funny, but somehow it doesn't quite translate in public. For my part I think he is worthy of more respect than he gets, but that lack of respect has little to do with him being Serbian. Tennis fans would cheer for a North Korean player if he had a dynamic one handed back-hand despite disliking North Korea. By the way the Serbian fans were very annoying when Djokovic played my boy Shapo at the ATP Cup so they are NOT on my good list. Also, incidentally, I do think that Serbians were wrongly portrayed during the Bosnian - Serbian war.
Perhaps his hairstyle or body language? Looks geeky at times.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
He does the opposite like winning this kind of matches, and he expects us to like him.
He's an example of a guy who so desperately wants to be loved like Federer and Nadal, but that desperation is actually a turnoff for most casual fans. He rubs people the wrong way with his antics and his behavior, especially when things don't go his way. See how he goes ballistic when he gets called for a time violation. Same thing some years ago when a chair umpire awarded a point to Tsonga after Djokovic clearly let the ball go passed him, it was called out late, and then Tsonga challenged and won and was awarded the point. Djokovic became incensened at the chair.


It's one of the great ironies in life: The more you care about what other people think about you, the less likely they are to think about you, at least in a good way.

The users who take this thread seriously need help.
@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 would be #1 on that list. ;)
 
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Picmun

Professional
He's an example of a guy who so desperately wants to be loved like Federer and Nadal, but that desperation is actually a turnoff for most casual fans. He rubs people the wrong way with his antics and his behavior, especially when things don't go his way. See how he goes ballistic when he gets called for a time violation. Same thing some years ago when a chair umpire awarded a point to Tsonga after Djokovic clearly let the ball go passed him, it was called out late, and then Tsonga challenged and won and was awarded the point. Djokovic became incensened at the chair.


It's one of the great ironies in life: The more you care about what other people think about you, the less likely they are to think about you, at least in a good way.



@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 would be #1 on that list. ;)
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
He's an example of a guy who so desperately wants to be loved like Federer and Nadal, but that desperation is actually a turnoff for most casual fans. He rubs people the wrong way with his antics and his behavior, especially when things don't go his way. See how he goes ballistic when he gets called for a time violation. Same thing some years ago when a chair umpire awarded a point to Tsonga after Djokovic clearly let the ball go passed him, it was called out late, and then Tsonga challenged and won and was awarded the point. Djokovic became incensened at the chair.
LOL, "ballistic" is a bit of an exaggeration, no? Nadal's has reacted as badly if not worse when time violations were called on him
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
World War I.
That's not historically accurate either. It was indeed a Serbian nationalist who helped trigger WW1 by assassinating the heir to the Austrian throne but his actions were in no way endorsed by the Serbian government who went out of their way to try and appease the angry Austrians. They failed because Austria saw it as a convenient excuse to attack Serbia which then caused it's major ally, Russia to intervene and the whole lamentable affair snowballed from there.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
That's not historically accurate either. It was indeed a Serbian nationalist who helped trigger WW1 by assassinating the heir to the Austrian throne but his actions were in no way endorsed by the Serbian government who went out of their way to try and appease the angry Austrians. They failed because Austria saw it as a convenient excuse to attack Serbia which then caused it's major ally, Russia to intervene and the whole lamentable affair snowballed from there.
You surprised me here. Where did you learn that?
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
I have a degree in History.
I thought so. There is one subtle thing that is (just slightly) inaccurate in your post there. They were not Serbian nationalists, they were for unity of all South Slavs (is it stupid to say Yugoslavian nationalists? It is like saying EU nationalist). Gavrilo Princip defined himself as a Serbo-Croat. Everything else in your post is spot on.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
You surprised me here. Where did you learn that?
It's also commonly taught if you've got a good teacher in America. Mine made it very clear Princip was not affiliated with Serbia, and Austria-Hungary took advantage of the situation.
 

E46luver

Professional
Djokovic
fans need conflict and tension
and you just can't have 3 nice guys
someone said novak will never be loved like Fedal.
this is deeply tru like a force of nature and maths
he will always be villain in eyes of the fan
he must be the villain
every drama needs a car chase, all 3 can't be in the same car
he has helmet hair cut and will never be the leading man
he should embrace being the villain
 
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