Djokovic fans: Can Djokovic survive without Vajda? How will this affect the comeback?

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Djokovic has proven he can play and win big without Vajda, but Vajda was present and a driving force for many of Djokovic's greatest returns from slumps.

The path feels a bit dofferent for Djokovic this time around. I am extremely suprised at the timing of this while Djokovic's return to tour is still in a fairly parlous state.

Djokovic fans: How do you think things will play out without Vajda, and who do you think Djokovic should bolster his team with now?
 
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It's obvious he didn't like the situation so in a similar manner to 2017, he left Novak to try and motivate him to see reason in regards to his foolishness. He'll come back if it looks like the situation improves again.
 
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ADuck said:
It's obvious he didn't like the situation so in a similar manner to 2017, he left Novak to try and motivate him to see reason in regards to his foolishness. He'll come back if it looks like the situation improves again.
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Interesting. I didnt think there was a chance of a return this time around, but now you mention it the wording in Vajda's statement is similar to last time.
 
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TheAssassin said:
I trust Goran too, he has been there for a while now.

For what it's worth I still expect Djokovic to have a strong season, and he can benefit from being more rested in later months while others grind through a more regular schedule now.
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So do you think keep the current coaching personnel as-is with no new appointments?

Goran has developed a lot of insight into Djokovic in his time in the camp. Whether that translates to him being able to provide the same value that Vajda supplied is debatable but maybe Djokovic no longer requires a Marian Vajda svengali figure at this stage of his career?
 
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mwym said:
IMO this break started likely after WC21.

Vajda urged him not to go to Olympics, and to prepare for USO21 instead like he prepares for AO, to 'fake' a start of a new season. Djokovic declined.
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Only Rosewall, Federer and Nadal have been able to win Majors in the Open Era past the age of 35.
Whoever believes that Djokovic will have it easy is very wrong and they will soon realize that.
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How did people not notice he was absent in most of Novak events last year? AO, Wimbledon, Bercy and Belgrade were won without him being present. Apart from clay you could barely see him around. With that being said we don't know if there were some long term effects, but I liked the offensive mindset Djokovic had in those Goran led wins. Still would like to see some additions to the team, but don't know who exactly. Making his fh heavier with more margin for error would be great, but that's not an easy change and you don't exactly get a new coach for one very specific thing. I think getting some match play is the biggest priority right now just to figure out were things are and go from there hopefully to the top.
 
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Rosstour said:
If I was a fan of his, I'd be horrified right now.
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Fair. Djokovic fans who are/were already worried that the comeback is not going to plan may think the timing of the split could hardly be worse.

It does seem like there are many fans who are not yet ready to sound the alarm, though. I guess Djokovic has shown so much resilience over the years that there is plenty of reason to keep the faith. I still need convincing that Djokovic has enough edge to recover from this without Vajda, but honestly what do I know.
 
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Subway Tennis said:
Djokovic has proven he can play and win big without Vajda, but Vajda was present and a driving force for many of Djokovic's greatest returns from slumps.

The path feels a bit dofferent for Djokovic this time around. I am extremely suprised at the timing of this while Djokovic's return to tour is still in a fairly parlous state.

Djokovic fans: How do you think things will play out without Vajda, and who do you think Djokovic should bolster his team with now?
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Darth VAJDA
 
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Another possibility--political fissures over the Russian invasion of Ukraine may have contributed to this split.

I can see Novak being a big Putin supporter.
 
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Subway Tennis said:
Djokovic has proven he can play and win big without Vajda, but Vajda was present and a driving force for many of Djokovic's greatest returns from slumps.

The path feels a bit dofferent for Djokovic this time around. I am extremely suprised at the timing of this while Djokovic's return to tour is still in a fairly parlous state.

Djokovic fans: How do you think things will play out without Vajda, and who do you think Djokovic should bolster his team with now?
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His level did take a nosedive after Wimbledon
 
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Rosstour said:
Another possibility--political fissures over the Russian invasion of Ukraine may have contributed to this split.

I can see Novak being a big Putin supporter.
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That actually makes sense. Russians were formed from East Slavic tribes. And Djokovic is a proud Slavic.
 
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Although even if I rip on him I will say he did speak out about that Chinese tennis player who disappeared and then reappeared and then disappeared. So I will give him credit where credit is due.
 
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Rosstour said:
Putin is the picture of power and domination. Guys like Djok tend to gravitate towards that.

His social calls with "Legend" show that. He's a nationalist and a traditionalist.
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Has Djokovic spoken publicly about the current situation? Not saying he is expected to, just interested in whether he has discussed it.

The thing that gives me pause is that support for Putin kind of goes against the Peace, Love and Mungbeans aesthetic that is also a part of Djokovic's public persona.
 
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Why should Vjada stay? If part of his income is a percent of Djokovic winnings, he may be thinking ahead financially. Not sure what their deal is however.

And maybe it has something to do with the anti-vax stance. Maybe Vjada is fed up too. Novak's team appeared to be vaccinated - they didn't have to stay in a detainment center, they weren't deported - they just left when Novak did.
 
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Cupcake said:
Why should Vjada stay? If part of his income is a percent of Djokovic winnings, he may be thinking ahead financially. Not sure what their deal is however.

And maybe it has something to do with the anti-vax stance. Maybe Vjada is fed up too. Novak's team appeared to be vaccinated - they didn't have to stay in a detainment center, they weren't deported - they just left when Novak did.
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I mean like I said before if you can't even figure out when your player is going to play exactly why do you want to do the job. Its got to be hard to stay motivated. And I think its different than if your player was working back from an injury or something. To me it would be a giant headache.
 
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Backspin1183 said:
You're actually serious about it? :oops:
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A bit, yes. This situation is dividing people even further, just like COVID/VAX did before that, and Trump's election before that. These things are showing us who the people we love really are--and we don't always like the answer.

Subway Tennis said:
Has Djokovic spoken publicly about the current situation? Not saying he is expected to, just interested in whether he has discussed it.

The thing that gives me pause is that support for Putin kind of goes against the Peace, Love and Mungbeans aesthetic that is also a part of Djokovic's public persona.
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It does, but I know a lot of peace-and-love, clean-living authoritarians.
 
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Rosstour said:
A bit, yes. This situation is dividing people even further, just like COVID/VAX did before that, and Trump's election before that. These things are showing us who the people we love really are--and we don't always like the answer.



It does, but I know a lot of peace-and-love, clean-living authoritarians.
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Fair point.
 
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Cupcake said:
Why should Vjada stay? If part of his income is a percent of Djokovic winnings, he may be thinking ahead financially. Not sure what their deal is however.

And maybe it has something to do with the anti-vax stance. Maybe Vjada is fed up too. Novak's team appeared to be vaccinated - they didn't have to stay in a detainment center, they weren't deported - they just left when Novak did.
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I dont think its the vaccination thing that has caused this. Based on the comments I have seen from him, Vajda has even more of a veciforously personal standpoint against vaccination than Novak does so that is kind of a unifying thing for both parties.
 
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Subway Tennis said:
I dont think its the vaccination thing that has caused this. Based on the comments I have seen from him, Vajda has even more of a veciforously personal standpoint against vaccination than Novak does so that is kind of a unifying thing for both parties.
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If it isn't about that, it's even more concerning IMO
 
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SonicNirvana said:
this is too far man.
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Why? Lots of anti VAX anti Putin fans out there? Thats why I just asked thrust. Ill wait for the answer. I will give him he benefit of the doubt like I said because he did speak up for that Chinese girl. So right now I will leave my mind open.
 
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insideguy said:
Why? Lots of anti VAX anti Putin fans out there? Thats why I just asked thrust. Ill wait for the answer. I will give him he benefit of the doubt like I said because he did speak up for that Chinese girl. So right now I will leave my mind open.
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i'm not antivax but where is the data for this
 
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