Djokovic fans: If Djoker never reach 19-21 slams,what will be his most regretting losses?

The 2016 US Open final was his worst loss. Wawarinka wasn't on fire or anything (unlike the RG final). Djokovic just seeming fell apart. He definitely should have won that match.

Although as the years go by, it just seems like the U.S. Open is his trickiest slam, where he loses more matches where he arguably should have won. Notably, Nishikori in 2014, Murray in 2012, Federer in 2007, etc. And of course, those close calls in 2010 and 2011 against Federer.
 
Off the top of my head:
1. 2013 Roland Garros Semifinal vs Nadal-you can tell me all day Djokovic was lucky to be in the 5th set but he was up a break at 4-2, still just had to hold twice to beat Nadal. Would’ve crushed Ferrer and his confidence would’ve probably been much better at that USO final against Nadal had he won too
2. 2014 USO semifals vs Nishikori-the above loss was the most painful loss I’ve experienced as a Novak fan, this was the most frustrating.
3. 2015 French Open Final vs Wawrinka all credit to Stan, he deserved this match, he played great tennis. I was just so ready to see him finally win this tournament, was starting to doubt if it would ever happen
4. 2012 USO Final vs Murray he just came out so flat dropping the first two sets, battled back strongly but then fell apart, should’ve never had to have gone to a 5th to begin with

Most US Open losses honestly, huge missed opportunities there
 
Ha, he will be the heavy favorite in Australia, Wimbledon and US Open for at least 2 years. He should win at least 4 of those. And he's already at 16... should win on Sunday... can't see him short of 19 if he stays relatively injury free. Nadal, on the other hand, despite his greatness and dominance in clay, is going to have it very tough to win even one more. I don't think he bags this year's RG. And Federer and Wawrinka... clearly out of contention. It will be interesting to see Djokovic fending off Tsitsipas, Thiem, Zverev, Auger-Aliassime and Medvedev.
 
hypercube said:
It's far from obvious and it's in fact false. Nadal was the much better player in the Roland Garros 2013 semifinal, that should be obvious to all. In fact Djokovic was quite fortunate that Nadal let his lead slip in the fourth, choking when serving for the match. In any case the way Nadal raised his level dramatically in the fifth set after getting broken was amazing, he was hitting incredible winner after winner from anywhere in the court. Djokovic (or anyone else) cannot compete with that.

If you're saying this based only on the outcome of this particular point, I will just point out that (a) Djokovic may not have hit a good overhead if he had stopped before to prevent touching the net (as he should have), so it is foolish to assume he should have won that point; and (b) it's just a single point, just like the next one in which Nadal nervously dumped an easy rally forehand into the net. Why should the former count more than the latter in this assessment?
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Blah blah blah.

Salient point: Djokovic was leading 4-2 in the fifth set. Nobody is talking about level of player which you focus upon and which is utterly irrelevant. Any match in a slam semi where an ATG is up 4-2 in the fifth and who loses the match translates into a regrettable loss. That's the subject of this thread.
 
malbaker86 said:
2007 US Open. Shoulda won it
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He was straight setted by Fed and wasn't anywhere near to winning the match. He didn't even win one set. If you pick that match, why not focus instead on any of the slams he lost to Murray or Stan where he at least won one set?
 
BeatlesFan said:
Blah blah blah.

Salient point: Djokovic was leading 4-2 in the fifth set. Nobody is talking about level of player which you focus upon and which is utterly irrelevant. Any match in a slam semi where an ATG is up 4-2 in the fifth and who loses the match translates into a regrettable loss. That's the subject of this thread.
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Sounds a lot like the AO2012 final :-D
 
icazares said:
Ha, he will be the heavy favorite in Australia, Wimbledon and US Open for at least 2 years. He should win at least 4 of those. And he's already at 16... should win on Sunday... can't see him short of 19 if he stays relatively injury free. Nadal, on the other hand, despite his greatness and dominance in clay, is going to have it very tough to win even one more. I don't think he bags this year's RG. And Federer and Wawrinka... clearly out of contention. It will be interesting to see Djokovic fending off Tsitsipas, Thiem, Zverev, Auger-Aliassime and Medvedev.
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But never out of contention when it comes to crushing the Djoker! :p
 
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Why is anyone bringing up Auger Aliassime? That guy is not ready at all for anything. He hasn't even proven he has any type of mind to be competitive against top players. Could just end up like another Thanasi Kokkinakis or Vasek Pospisil who can't win anything relevant.
 
Lleytonstation said:
Who will beat him? Rafa at the FO? Maybe a loss here and there at the USO. But I see no one beating him at WC or AO for the next 3 years. That is 6 minimum which puts him at 22.
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I doubt anyone predicted Djokovic to fall off the rails for 2 years after winning Roland Garros in 2016. Things can change quickly in tennis. The margins at the top are slim. No major is a guarantee. Thiem or Zverev could beat Djokovic on Sunday and the entire conversation will change.
 
He will pass Federer and Nadal's records at most slams won. Only then anti-fed trolls will rest easy. Or will they :unsure: May god fulfill this desire so that it will make their miserable lives a little easier
 
FO 2011

Nadal was not in his best form, and Djokovic was in the best form of his life.

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BeatlesFan said:
Blah blah blah.

Salient point: Djokovic was leading 4-2 in the fifth set. Nobody is talking about level of player which you focus upon and which is utterly irrelevant. Any match in a slam semi where an ATG is up 4-2 in the fifth and who loses the match translates into a regrettable loss. That's the subject of this thread.
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Blah blah blah.
Salient point: Nadal was leading 6-5 in the fourth set, serving for the match. I agree it would have been a regrettable loss for Nadal had he gone on to lose it, but I don't see how Djokovic can have any regrets in that match which he should have lost earlier.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
FO 2011

Nadal was not in his best form, and Djokovic was in the best form of his life.

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I understand people thinking back in 2011 that Djokovic might have had a chance against Nadal at RG that year, but after all the demolitions Nadal gave him at RG in the next 3 years, no one can take that claim seriously anymore. Nadal would have won anyway playing below par.
 
hypercube said:
I understand people thinking back in 2011 that Djokovic might had a chance against Nadal at RG that year, but after all the demolitions Nadal gave him at RG in the next 3 years, no one can take that claim seriously anymore. Nadal would have won anyway playing below par.
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That is primitive argumentation. Nadal in 2012 was in better form than in 2011 and Djokovic in 2012 was in worse form than in 2011. "It would have happened so and so anyway" is a cheap self-validation of wishful thinking based only on the fact that the scenarios aren't going to materialise (i.e. one can say whatever he wants).

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Tennis_Hands said:
That is primitive argumentation. Nadal in 2012 was in better form than in 2011 and Djokovic in 2012 was in worse form than in 2011. "It would have happened so and so anyway" is a cheap self-validation of wishful thinking based only on the fact that the scenarios aren't going to materialise (i.e. one can say whatever he wants).

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Wishful thinking? As opposed to thinking Djokovic would have won? We may not not for sure but all the evidence points to the opposite. Nadal raises his level at RG.
BTW Nadal was indeed better in 2012 but Djokovic's form was the same as 2011, and he had more confidence after a long streak of victories against Nadal.
 
He'll probably regret losing the 2020 AO final the most. It opened the flood gates to under 30s winning slams again.
 
USO 2013 - 1-1 and a break up, and then he just decided to hand the next 2 sets to Nadal ?? WTF ?
FO SF 2013 - a break up in the 5th , his shirt touches the net .... he looses ... **** off!!!
 
RG 2013 is nasty, still makes me uncomfortable watching it to this day, just how close he was....

Nishikori loss at the USO 2014? big yikes

RG 2011 if he managed to get past Fed he potentially gets the CYGS that year first time since Laver, epic chance missed

the Murray losses suck, I know he's a worthy opponent and all that but I'm just not a fan of him and hated to see him win against Djoker especially knowing how the dirty British media would react, yuck
 
hypercube said:
Wishful thinking? As opposed to thinking Djokovic would have won? We may not not for sure but all the evidence points to the opposite. Nadal raises his level at RG.
BTW Nadal was indeed better in 2012 but Djokovic's form was the same as 2011, and he had more confidence after a long streak of victories against Nadal.
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"All the evidence" doesn't "point to the opposite". Djokovic beat Nadal in the two clay matches they played that year very comfortably and was on an uninterrupted streak against Nadal whole year. To say that it would have been "the same" as in other circumstances is the above wishful thinking I was mentioning. Djokovic's form in 2012 RG was nowhere near his form from 2011, but even by your own admission, Nadal's form was worse in 2011, so that alone would have made a huge difference.

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BeatlesFan said:
He was straight setted by Fed and wasn't anywhere near to winning the match. He didn't even win one set. If you pick that match, why not focus instead on any of the slams he lost to Murray or Stan where he at least won one set?
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Novak had 4 set points in the 1st (on his serve) and choked
Was up 4-1 in the second set and choked along with losing 4 set points before the breaker
Had 2 break points early in the 3rd and lost them along with squandering the last game on his serve.

It's ridiculous to say "he wasn't anywhere near to winning the match".
 
Tennis_Hands said:
"All the evidence" doesn't "point to the opposite". Djokovic beat Nadal in the two clay matches they played that year very comfortably and was on an uninterrupted streak against Nadal whole year. To say that it would have been "the same" as in other circumstances is the above wishful thinking I was mentioning. Djokovic's form in 2012 RG was nowhere near his form from 2011, but even by your own admission, Nadal's form was worse in 2011, so that alone would have made a huge difference.

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This is just wishful thinking on your part. Djokovic also beat Nadal on clay comfortably in 2013 and 2014, only to lose to him at Roland Garros those years. Nothing indicates the result could have been any different in 2011. Federer was playing at a higher level and most likely he gave Nadal a harder match in 2011 than Djokovic could have.

Nadal has never lost a RG final and by that time he had never lost to Djokovic at a grand slam, whereas in 2012 he had to overcome the mental block of having suffered three straight losses to him in GS finals.
In fact, I think Nadal might have gone on to win Wimbledon as well if he had beaten Djokovic and gained confidence from it, so the loss to Federer might have been a bless in disguise for Djokovic.
 
BeatlesFan said:
I think the 2013 FO semifinal loss would be a biggie:

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Had Novak won the match, as he should have, he would easily have decimated Ferrer in the final.
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That is a good one, but that is also such a funny match. In a way he should have won it, but if you look at the match stats Nadal was clearly the better player, and Djokovic was super lucky to ever be in a winning position in the first place.
 
1. 2012 US Open Final loss to Murray. He was irritable in that match when he should've been focused on winning.
2. 2013 US Open Final loss to Nadal. Losing to Nadal in a hardcourt final is inexcusable for Djokovic at this point in his career.
3. 2014 US Open Semi-Final loss to Nishikori. Kei played great and it was a very humid day, which Novak struggles in. But passivity caused him greatly.

2016 US Open is an interesting one because he really did fall apart for no reason after winning the first set, but it was also at a time when he nursed serious injuries.
 
I don't think Nole or the other two will regret their losses. They have won enough and made a ton of money in games and endorsement deals. Dont think they will be crying when they walk into their bank
 
hypercube said:
This is just wishful thinking on your part. Djokovic also beat Nadal on clay comfortably in 2013 and 2014, only to lose to him at Roland Garros those years. Nothing indicates the result could have been any different in 2011. Federer was playing at a higher level and most likely he gave Nadal a harder match in 2011 than Djokovic could have.

Nadal has never lost a RG final and by that time he had never lost to Djokovic at a grand slam, whereas in 2012 he had to overcome the mental block of having suffered three straight losses to him in GS finals.
In fact, I think Nadal might have gone on to win Wimbledon as well if he had beaten Djokovic and gained confidence from it, so the loss to Federer might have been a bless in disguise for Djokovic.
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There is no point arguing with you. Pass.

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Tennis_Hands said:
There is no point arguing with you. Pass.

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Because you have no arguments to refute what I say.

In any case I would like for you to clarify your position. Is it just that Djokovic might have had a chance and we'll never know, or do you actually think he would have been likely to beat Nadal at RG 2011? Because if it's actually the latter, your "wishful thinking and cheap self-validation" quote from a previous post would be hilariously hypocritical.
 
hypercube said:
Because you have no arguments to refute what I say.

In any case I would like for you to clarify your position. Is it just that Djokovic might have had a chance and we'll never know, or do you actually think he would have been likely to beat Nadal at RG 2011? Because if it's actually the latter, your "wishful thinking and cheap self-validation" quote from a previous post would be hilariously hypocritical.
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You got it right. I have no arguments to refute what you say.

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Everyone knows the childish busy bodies that are banning Novak from slams are denying him of his due place in tennis history.
 
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