Djokovic fans - Win one past match?

What loss would you make a win? Up to 3 choices.

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CYGS said:
Just because I disagree with you. Ok, go spend time finishing your homework.
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I respect reasonable opinions. To deny that Nadal was at his absolute worst in 2015 is not having an opinion, it's simply trolling.

I can also talk about Thiem destroying Djokovic with a bagel in RG 2017. I don't think you will like it.
 
swordtennis said:
Lol @ GOATING VERDASCO!!!! TTW CHOKER! when it suits your asses verdasco is a goat. When he plays anyone else outside of fedal he sucks. What a hypacrapital bs!
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Yea and Djokovic's draw was sooo easy. Nevermind the fact that he had to play in mud for 4 consecutive days. Nadal has never had to play 4 consecutive days to win any of his 12 RG titles. Hell, I don't think he has had to do it to win any Slam.
 
StrongRule said:
I respect reasonable opinions. To deny that Nadal was at his absolute worst in 2015 is not having an opinion, it's simply trolling.

I can also hype Thiem destroying Djokovic with a bagel in RG 2017.
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No, my objection was about Fed beating Nadal at RG. So don't quit school, because you need to improve your comprehension.
 
ChrisRF said:
I’m not a Djokovic fan, but obviously I agree with the importance of the missed CYGS chance. That’s why for me Federer’s 2006 and 2007 RG losses are the worst as well.

However, I’m surprised that RG 2013 is still such a pain. It was a huge match when it occured, and of course winning would have been great back then, but Djokovic later achieved both aspects anyway with beating Nadal (2015) and winning RG (2016).
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Djokovic did accomplish both of those aspects as you mention, but the RG15 win over Rafa still doesn't quite feel the same as having that signature RG win over Rafa playing at a super high level, like 2013 would have. It would have been like beating Federer at Wimb 13 as his only Wimbledon match win over Federer, by comparison.

Additionally there are a lot of #1 implications from that loss. If Djokovic wins that match, he goes on to finish 2013 as YE #1. That would have given him 5 straight YE#1s from 2011-2015, and put him around 210ish consecutive weeks going towards the end of 2016. Djokovic seems to value "historical #1" a lot from the things he has said in interviews so its possible if he had been riding that huge of a streak, he might have skipped the 2016 Olympics and rested up his elbow to make the push for the 2016 #1 (which he only ended up 1 match shy of getting anyways) instead as well to chase down Sampras' 6 YE #1s in a row and Federer's 237 weeks #1 in a row.
 
StrongRule said:
Yeah, had to play for consecutive days against mugs like Bautista Agut and Berdych who was coming from a 6-0 6-0 loss in Rome against Goffin, LOL.
Only a troll can say RG 2016 draw was tougher than AO 2009.
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Playing 4 consecutive days against a grinder like Agut, then Berdych and then Thiem in the SF is not easy. You just tell yourself that because it sounds good to diminish Djokovic's achievement. The fact that he had to play that many days in a row against any opponent is much harder than you are describing, clearly. Why does it even matter which one was tougher? They both won their Slams and beat the best players of that time. Get over it.
 
2011 RG. Even if he doesn't win the final, we get an epic for the ages instead of some Swiss dude ruining it.

2013 RG. Novak beats Rafa and wins (in the same tourney). If only he didn't miss that one overhead....

2012 USO. Less important statistically, but he deserved so much more at the USO. One of the most heartbreaking losses for Djoko, and for me as a fan.

2015 RG. CYGS and 6-in-a-row, which would make him GOAT for me.
 
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NoleFam said:
Yea and Djokovic's draw was sooo easy. Nevermind the fact that he had to play in mud for 4 consecutive days. Nadal has never had to play 4 consecutive days to win any of his 12 RG titles. Hell, I don't think he has had to do it to win any Slam.
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Yeah that will never be talked about around here. The scuses and hypotheticals are reserved for fedal. Good. Djokovic deals in real matches. Win or lose! This is sparta! I truly hope he smashes the major record. I still do not think he will and never really cared but the bs after that wimbledon win has actually forced me to want djokovic to break it and cause fans to bridge jump en mas!
 
swordtennis said:
Yeah that will never be talked about around here. The scuses and hypotheticals are reserved for fedal. Good. Djokovic deals in real matches. Win or lose! This is sparta! I truly hope he smashes the major record. I still do not think he will and never really cared but the bs after that wimbledon win has actually forced me to want djokovic to break it and cause fans to bridge jump en mas!
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Some people just cannot deal in reality. Djokovic cares about the record way more than I do. His career is already beyond any expectation I ever had. It's just hypocritical how fans talk about how easy he had it while saying nothing about the easy draws of their own player.
 
NoleFam said:
Some people just cannot deal in reality. Djokovic cares about the record way more than I do. His career is already beyond any expectation I ever had. It's just hypocritical how fans talk about how easy he had it while saying nothing about the easy draws of their own player.
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I can admit Nadal had easy draws in his career. For some reason Djokovic fans can't admit that Djokovic also had easy draws. That's the difference between us.
 
StrongRule said:
I can admit Nadal had easy draws in his career. For some reason Djokovic fans can't admit that Djokovic also had easy draws. That's the difference between us.
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One thing is for sure, Djokovic never won a Slam without beating a top 5 player but yea other than that he had really easy draws.
 
NoleFam said:
Some people just cannot deal in reality. Djokovic cares about the record way more than I do. His career is already beyond any expectation I ever had. It's just hypocritical how fans talk about how easy he had it while saying nothing about the easy draws of their own player.
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It seems he is motivated to win as many majors as possible before he hangs the racket up.
NoleFam said:
One thing is for sure, Djokovic never won a Slam without beating a top 5 player but yea other than that he had really easy draws.
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Damned if you do damned if you don't! Djokovic could beat top ten in every round in every major and then it would be he needed top 5 every round. Lol!
He does that then he needed to beat shiva brahma and vishnu every round!
 
swordtennis said:
Yeah that will never be talked about around here. The scuses and hypotheticals are reserved for fedal. Good. Djokovic deals in real matches. Win or lose! This is sparta! I truly hope he smashes the major record. I still do not think he will and never really cared but the bs after that wimbledon win has actually forced me to want djokovic to break it and cause fans to bridge jump en mas!
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Lol, you've never really been one for mincing your words have you sword?! :p
 
2015 RG - I know he later completed the Nole Slam, but man a calendar year slam would've been something all of us would be talking about for generations
2013 and 2016 USO - he essentially lost out of two year-end number one finishes by losing these two US Open finals. Had he won both of these matches, he would've had 6 year-end number ones in a row.
 
swordtennis said:
It seems he is motivated to win as many majors as possible before he hangs the racket up.

Damned if you do damned if you don't! Djokovic could beat top ten in every round in every major and then it would be he needed top 5 every round. Lol!
He does that then he needed to beat shiva brahma and vishnu every round!
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Yea we will see how long he can stay motivated in an attempt to remain at the top.

Some people will always have something to complain about.
 
StrongRule said:
I can admit Nadal had easy draws in his career. For some reason Djokovic fans can't admit that Djokovic also had easy draws. That's the difference between us.
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Djokovic has had easier draws now, in the twilight of his career

He historically had tougher draws than both Nadal and Federer
 
Djokovic2015 said:
Djokovic did accomplish both of those aspects as you mention, but the RG15 win over Rafa still doesn't quite feel the same as having that signature RG win over Rafa playing at a super high level, like 2013 would have. It would have been like beating Federer at Wimb 13 as his only Wimbledon match win over Federer, by comparison.
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Surely that’s a valid argument. But then on the other hand, even in 2013 there would have been excuses that "Nadal wasn’t at his best" if Djokovic would have won. "He was injured half a year", "he already lost in Monte Carlo" etc. Nadal losing at RG would always be counted as bad year as a whole, and the circular logic by many people would diminish Djokovic’s win then.

The other things you mentioned about #1 etc. are also interesting. However, he never would have skipped the Olympics. Just look at him after the Del Potro loss and you see what it meant to him. I would say Olympic Gold would be more important than a #1 streak as well.
 
ChrisRF said:
Surely that’s a valid argument. But then on the other hand, even in 2013 there would have been excuses that "Nadal wasn’t at his best" if Djokovic would have won. "He was injured half a year", "he already lost in Monte Carlo" etc. Nadal losing at RG would always be counted as bad year as a whole, and the circular logic by many people would diminish Djokovic’s win then.

The other things you mentioned about #1 etc. are also interesting. However, he never would have skipped the Olympics. Just look at him after the Del Potro loss and you see what it meant to him. I would say Olympic Gold would be more important than a #1 streak as well.
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Right on the money.
ChrisRF said:
I would say Olympic Gold would be more important than a #1 streak as well.
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And on top of that, Djokovic withdrew from certain events in 2016.5 - Withdrew from Cincinnati and Beijing (to say nothing of the fact that he skipped Canada). If he played either, he would have been #1. He didn't take the threat of Murray seriously enough.
 
NoleFam said:
Yea we will see how long he can stay motivated in an attempt to remain at the top.

Some people will always have something to complain about.
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It just aint worth complaining. I used to worry about things and get all wound up. I then cared about nothing. Lol. Had to get to the middle ground. Nothing we can do about some things! No use trying!
 
that Wimbledon final against Murray

giving the UK public that much smug satisfaction was disgusting

i wanna slap him for that loss
 
Legend of Borg said:
that Wimbledon final against Murray

giving the UK public that much smug satisfaction was disgusting

i wanna slap him for that loss
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Lol. Thank Del Potro for helping out there, did massive damage to him in that semi.
 
Not a fan, but if I were, USO 2014 would sting. I think that's his worst loss in a major since 2011 when he was otherwise playing at a very high level.
 
2011 RG - Djoker had a great opportunity to beat Nadal in the RG final, he had an excellent form and self-confidence, while Nadal was weaked.
2013 RG & USO - Both losses with Nadal damaged Djoker's mental power (fortunately, it was repaired in Wimbledon the following year). At least 2013 USO Djoker was to win, he should show, who is the master of the hard surface. The loss of the third set, that Djoker was supposed to close in his favor, was terrible!
 
Any of his RG losses, either the 2013 one or 2011 one. If he dispatched Fed and beaten Rafa for the CYGS in 2011 that would have been something ( he did own Rafa in '11 on clay ) but realistically 2013 is maybe the one loss apart from RG final 2015 I'd go to.
 
itrium84 said:
RG15. Six in a row. CYGS. History.

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We can't be sure that be Djoker would win CYGS and 6 GS titles in a row, if he won RG 2015. Have you forgotten e.g. on the fact, that Djoker lost first two sets with Anderson at Wimbledon 2015, that Djoker had to turn the match? The possibility of gaining a CYGS would put pressure on Djoker, internal (own nervousness) and external (expectation of fans and media). Maybe be Djoker pressure could withstand, but nothing is guaranteed.
 
Enceladus said:
We can't be sure that be Djoker would win CYGS and 6 GS titles in a row, if he won RG 2015. Have you forgotten e.g. on the fact, that Djoker lost first two sets with Anderson at Wimbledon 2015, that Djoker had to turn the match? The possibility of gaining a CYGS would put pressure on Djoker, internal (own nervousness) and external (expectation of fans and media). Maybe be Djoker pressure could withstand, but nothing is guaranteed.
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This whole thread is just a "woulda coulda" mind game. Rules of this game are ambiguous and not clear. I supposed OP had meant "without changing outcome of any other matches" and gave my answer. You and some others supposed otherwise. No one is right or wrong, it's just a game.

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CYGS said:
USO2007. He might have changed the whole dynamics facing Fedal earlier in his career.
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Lew II said:
I wouldn't change his career. Victories can have negative effects.
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I would agree with this. I am happy with the way it turned out, those tough losses lead to some of the most beautiful moments.
 
itrium84 said:
This whole thread is just a "woulda coulda" mind game. Rules of this game are ambiguous and not clear. I supposed OP had meant "without changing outcome of any other matches" and gave my answer. You and some others supposed otherwise. No one is right or wrong, it's just a game.

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Honestly, this thread was made with the intent of no rules. Justify your choices however you want. I think regardless of if it affected his future play, I would choose 2015 RG. I still see him winning against Anderson and taking the USO.

Without the butterfly effect, I don't see why anyone would choose anything other than RG 2011/2015. The CYGS is too big to lose. With the butterfly effect, this discussion becomes more interesting. But again, I put no rules on this in order to keep discussion open.
 
Hitman said:
I would agree with this. I am happy with the way it turned out, those tough losses lead to some of the most beautiful moments.
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Then I'd probably go for one of the Olympic losses, as I don't think winning them would've led to major Slam changes
 
Red Rick said:
Then I'd probably go for one of the Olympic losses, as I don't think winning them would've led to major Slam changes
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Yeah, but they weren't gold medal matches, and you never know what could happen.
 
TripleATeam said:
Well, no, but 2008 was practically a gold medal match. I don't think Djokovic was going to lose to Gonzalez.
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Maybe you are right. But as I said, you never know, he could have choked under the pressure. The Djokovic of then doesn't have the mental will of the Djokovic we see today.
 
Hitman said:
Maybe you are right. But as I said, you never know, he could have choked under the pressure. The Djokovic of then doesn't have the mental will of the Djokovic we see today.
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True enough, but does it hurt to give him the shot at the gold medal? I don't think the Olympics loss to Nadal affected him much, nor would an Olympics win against Gonzalez.
 
TripleATeam said:
True enough, but does it hurt to give him the shot at the gold medal? I don't think the Olympics loss to Nadal affected him much, nor would an Olympics win against Gonzalez.
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I guess it depends on the individual. Does it hurt more if you were one match away, or if you lost early?
 
2015 RG I was so mad after that shock loss.
2013 RG he almost stole the match(this was going 4 sets for Nadal)
2011 RG Fognini screwed him there
2016 RIO vs Delpo was heartbreaking.The only loss he didn't avenge yet.Still hurts.
 
rUDin 21 said:
2015 RG I was so mad after that shock loss.
2013 RG he almost stole the match(this was going 4 sets for Nadal)
2011 RG Fognini screwed him there
2016 RIO vs Delpo was heartbreaking.The only loss he didn't avenge yet.Still hurts.
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What about beating Delpo in the USO final 2018?
 
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