Djokovic greater than any other player on 2/3 surfaces?

Greater than anyone else on 2/3 surfaces?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 36.8%
  • No

    Votes: 28 49.1%
  • Tied with Borg on grass

    Votes: 6 10.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 3.5%

  • Total voters
    57

Lew II

Legend
Hard: Djokovic > Federer (more slams)
Clay: Djokovic > Federer (more masters)

Hard: Djokovic > Nadal (more slams)
Grass: Djokovic > Nadal (more slams)

Hard: Djokovic > Sampras (more slams)
Clay: Djokovic > Sampras (more slams)

Hard: Djokovic > Borg (more slams)
Grass: Djokovic > Borg

Do you agree?

Only debatable may be vs Borg on grass since they have the same number of Wimbledon titles, but Djokovic beat Federer in 3 finals plus he couldn't play the 2020 edition as the favourite. And he's still active.
 

ElisRF

Rookie
A much greater HC player with a 1-2 h2h at USO and less USO than his primary rival?

:laughing:
Djokovic has a big lead overall vs Nadal on HC and has done better vs the field it is not close. You could make a case Nadal of 2010/2013 in USO beats Djokovic in 2011/2015 though.
 

weakera

Legend
Just imagine if there was a second clay slam and Nadal had a losing h2h and fewer wins there than Djokovic. Just try to conjure up that scenario in your mind lol. Does not compute. And Djokovic fans have the audacity to try to draw an equivalence by stating "Djokovic is the greatest on HC, Nadal is the greatest on clay" - as if the two statements are in any way similar.

lol... yikes!
 

Lew II

Legend
Just imagine if there was a second clay slam and Nadal had a losing h2h and fewer wins there than Djokovic. Just try to conjure up that scenario in your mind lol. Does not compute. And Djokovic fans have the audacity to try to draw an equivalence by stating "Djokovic is the greatest on HC, Nadal is the greatest on clay" - as if the two statements are in any way similar.

lol... yikes!
No one compared Djokovic on hard to Nadal on clay in this thread.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Hard: Djokovic > Federer (more slams)
Clay: Djokovic > Federer (more masters)

Hard: Djokovic > Nadal (more slams)
Grass: Djokovic > Nadal (more slams)

Hard: Djokovic > Sampras (more slams)
Clay: Djokovic > Sampras (more slams)

Hard: Djokovic > Borg (more slams)
Grass: Djokovic > Borg

Do you agree?

Only debatable may be vs Borg on grass since they have the same number of Wimbledon titles, but Djokovic beat Federer in 3 finals plus he couldn't play the 2020 edition as the favourite. And he's still active.
One of your better threads.
 

Street

Rookie
Just imagine if there was a second clay slam and Nadal had a losing h2h and fewer wins there than Djokovic. Just try to conjure up that scenario in your mind lol. Does not compute. And Djokovic fans have the audacity to try to draw an equivalence by stating "Djokovic is the greatest on HC, Nadal is the greatest on clay" - as if the two statements are in any way similar.

lol... yikes!
Not a fan of any particular player but based on stats, both of those statements are correct. I don't see the problem in stating them. When you say that Djokovic is the best player on HC that doesn't mean that he is as dominant on HC as Rafa is on Clay. I've actually never seen anyone say that Djokovic is as dominant on HC as Nadal is on clay, not even on these boards.
 

Sunny014

Professional
GOAT on HCs don't get bageled at Cincinatti at the hands of the real GOAT.

Faster HC : Federer > Djokovic
Slower HC : Djokovic > Federer
Grass (All types of Grass) : Federer > Djokovic
Clay : Federer = Djokovic

So thats 2-1 for Federer
 

Nole_King

Professional
Even though being a Nole fan, my stomach churns at arguments suggesting him greater than Borg on grass .. This is what happens when people believe that it takes mere counting to understand who is greater.
 

Villain

Professional
GOAT on HCs don't get bageled at Cincinatti at the hands of the real GOAT.

Faster HC : Federer > Djokovic
Slower HC : Djokovic > Federer
Grass (All types of Grass) : Federer > Djokovic
Clay : Federer = Djokovic

So thats 2-1 for Federer
That’s weird, because the AO has been faster than the USO for awhile now and we know who does the better there. Novak has a clearly better resume on clay. Higher winning percentage, more Masters, more tournament wins.
 
That’s weird, because the AO has been faster than the USO for awhile now and we know who does the better there. Novak has a clearly better resume on clay. Higher winning percentage, more Masters, more tournament wins.
Djokovic also now has a (slightly!) better record at Roland Garros than Federer, even if we don't count "has beaten Nadal" as a tiebreaker:

Titles: Djokovic 1-1 Federer
Losing Finals: Djokovic 4-4 Federer
Losing Semi-Finals: Djokovic 5-3 Federer
Losing Quarter-Finals: Djokovic 4-4 Federer

Making the Semi-Finals > Not Making the Semi-Finals
 

NoleIsBoat

Professional
Some delusion and coping mechanism going on in this thread :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Djokovic absolutely owns Nadal on HC and grass, in his peak year is also 4 -0 on clay too:whistle:

he is also better than Fed on all surfaces too. More HC slam+master+h2h. More clay masters. 3-0 in Wimbledon finals :whistle:

BOAT
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Hard: Djokovic > Federer (more slams)
Clay: Djokovic > Federer (more masters)

Hard: Djokovic > Nadal (more slams)
Grass: Djokovic > Nadal (more slams)

Hard: Djokovic > Sampras (more slams)
Clay: Djokovic > Sampras (more slams)

Hard: Djokovic > Borg (more slams)
Grass: Djokovic > Borg

Do you agree?

Only debatable may be vs Borg on grass since they have the same number of Wimbledon titles, but Djokovic beat Federer in 3 finals plus he couldn't play the 2020 edition as the favourite. And he's still active.
Only 3 USOs prevents him being best on HC. Period. USO is more important than Australia. Every pro and ex pro will say the same
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
So according to OP hard courts are the same. Another Djokovic fan i corrected yesterday also erroneously made predictions about USO based on AO.
However if we indulge them for the moment and agree all hardcourts are equal. That means Djokovic is only player amongst ATGs to have TWO majors on his best surface. I.e double than say Sampras Nadal Borg and Federer. Yet he is only on 18 Majors.
So it is fair to say that Djokovic is not the 3rd wheel but actually the 5th wheel. Imagine how many Majors Nadal and Borg would have with two on clay . How many sampras and federer with two on grass. All would have way more than 18 probably.
Worthy of its own thread if anyone wants to articulate the above better than i have while working.
 

Villain

Professional
USO is bigger than AO. Look at viewing figures and sponsorship deals and media coverage.
It’s called the advantage of being in NYC instead of Melbourne and in a time zone that allows for more viewers. Even so, the above list doesn’t make one more “important” than the other.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Some delusion and coping mechanism going on in this thread :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Djokovic absolutely owns Nadal on HC and grass, in his peak year is also 4 -0 on clay too:whistle:

he is also better than Fed on all surfaces too. More HC slam+master+h2h. More clay masters. 3-0 in Wimbledon finals :whistle:

BOAT
Federer 8 Wimbledons bud. Wimbledon is grass. Djokovic 5. Federer has that.
Nadal better on North american hard courts...4 USO 3 USO.
Borg is way better on grass than Djokovic. 5 W in a row. He is also better on clay.
Djokovic is 5th of all time bud. Sorry to tell ya mate. Kyrgios agrees as well.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
It’s called the advantage of being in NYC instead of Melbourne and in a time zone that allows for more viewers. Even so, the above list doesn’t make one more “important” than the other.
It does. More media coverage more exposure means more kudos. Find me one player who would prefer more AOs than USOs!! Even aussies wouldnt.
 

NoleIsBoat

Professional
Federer 8 Wimbledons bud. Wimbledon is grass. Djokovic 5. Federer has that.
Nadal better on North american hard courts...4 USO 3 USO.
Borg is way better on grass than Djokovic. 5 W in a row. He is also better on clay.
Djokovic is 5th of all time bud. Sorry to tell ya mate. Kyrgios agrees as well.
Djokovic is better at Wimbledon than Fed. 3-0 in finals confirms this.

let’s count their slams when they’re all finished. Djokovic has many many slams to come :whistle:
 

Villain

Professional
It does. More media coverage more exposure means more kudos. Find me one player who would prefer more AOs than USOs!! Even aussies wouldnt.
Careful, if these are your metrics for one slam being more important than another, those French Opens aren’t going to count for much.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree with others that Borg is greater than Djokovic on grass because for me, when two players are tied at a Slam, you have to give to the player who was more dominant. The same reason Djokovic was greater than Federer at AO when Federer was tied with him at 6.
 
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