Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by LazyNinja19, Apr 8, 2014.
Ivan Lendl has eight majors while Novak Djokovic only has six majors.
The original list had Djoko at #40. So THAT is where he belongs!
Some Djoko fanatic has edited the wiki list to place him undeservedly at #17.
I think that Djokovic still has quite a way to go, to get anywhere near Lendl's achievements.
Whereas Emerson, In my opinion he is probably ahead of him in terms of greatness
Emerson is a bit of an enigma, due to the dual tour when he was playing, but at the moment, Lendl is still so far above Djokovic it's not even funny. Djokovic is clearly tier 3, with the likes of Becker, Edberg, and Wilander, while Lendl is a strong tier 2.
If Djokovic wins the career slam would you put him ahead of Lendl?
No, he would still lack 1 slam, time at number 1, several Masters Cup, lot of Masters 1000, 5 slam finals appearances.
I wouldn't, because Djokovic hasn't been dominant enough, imho (as least up till now). Ranking Lendl below Agassi, Connors, and McEnroe is a bit of a sacrilege, if you ask me. But then, just look how they ranked Rosewall and Gonzales, so this whole Tennis Channel top 100 should be taken with a (huge) grain of salt. Besides, not having different rankings for men and women is so stupid that it beggars the mind.
lendl. he was too saw-lit...lol...
wut ? is this thread still going ?..lol. :neutral: carry on folks..>>>>
Lendl was so dominant in his era it's not even funny. Come back when Djokovic can make 8 straight finals in any grand slam event.
Lendl also won 5 Masters YEC and 3 WCTs, important to remember.
Chico is delusional LOL.
Lendl essentially has almost twice the majors of Djokovic.
What about level of competition?
That list was made in 2011 and therefore it's an outdated list.
Are you saying it's a fact that Lendl is a greater player than Nole?
The International Bussines Times considers Nole to be a greater player than Lendl http://www.ibtimes.com/top-10-tenni...rer-or-pete-sampras-greatest-mens-player-open
Is Lendl a greater player than Nole when level of competition is taken into account?
5555, you have lost yet another argument.
Yes - Lendl competed against Borg, McEnroe, Connors, Wilander, Edberg and Becker. That's a strong line up.
Lendl, as of now, is 100% higher on the list than Djokovic.
I personally dont think it will stay that way but TODAY Lendl is higher than Djokovic.
Are you serious? Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Wilander, Edberg.
or 9 straight finals at the WTF (1980-1988 ). Boy Lendl played well in New York!
Good point. Not to mention the stronger field Ivan Lendl had to deal with compare to the field Djokovic deals with.
It is hilarious how little respect Lendl gets on TW and in general. Besides the fact that he has more grand slams, he played in an era where there was actually HUGE variation between different surfaces, and to top it off he had like 10 main rivals who were all-time greats.
Lendl had his weaknesses. But he did work extremely hard to overcome these weaknesses, arguably more than anyone. Lendl sought tennis perfection, from his preparation to his actual matches. If you watch his matches at 1990 Queen's Club on grass (his worst surface), his performances were so good that Dan Maskell said that it was some of the finest grass-court tennis that he had ever seen, and Maskell had been watching tennis since the 1920s. Lendl made McEnroe and Becker look ordinary that weekend.
One thing Lendl overcame, and this was maybe his biggest shortcoming was his placement and footwork.He didn´t hit the ball better or had more shots but his fittness and movements ( as well as self confidence in big matches) clearly got betrer and better.
Lendl was meticulous with every aspect of his preparation and his game. In many ways, he paved the way for how high standards are today with things like diets and tennis equipment. A peak McEnroe made a mocking comment to Lendl in 1984 "I am on a Haagen-Dazs diet". Lendl went on to have the last laugh not too long after.
Yeah. John McEnroe never was the same player after his peak year.
Stubborness was Lendl´s best and at the same time worse quality
Rosewall is better than Nole as well. That wiki page was edited by some clown. Lendl and Emerson are greater.
Rosewall, Emerson and Lendl are greater than Djokovic.
Fiji, IT's nice you mention Rosewall who got place 14 only in the Tennis Channel list. Pancho Gonzalez got No.22 or 23...
Both players were much greater than Emerson who is over-hyped.
oh dear..that comment backfired on McEnroe (when in 1984 did he say it ?), look how mcenroe got tired as the French open final wore on, and superfit lendl kept his physical level up thus helping his tennis stay sharp whilst mac's game unravelled into a quagmire of tired errors.
Ivan Lendl simply stayed consistent throughout the match while John McEnroe just couldn't close it out even after he got that break later on.
yes I know..but McEnroe got visible tired as the match wore on, his thinking, footwork, and accuracy all went downhill esp his first serve.
Yeah, I agree. Lendl should be much higher, maybe even with Pete. I mean he has a lot of weeks nr.1 and his competition was one of the toughest also variation of styles and surfaces.
Hey, If Lendl had had majors record under those conditions and career slam, I would put him as goat.
I mean his numbers are insane. 19 finals. That is better than even Rafa and Pete. And Rafa isn't close to him in weeks nr.1.
It's a shame about Mac. He is probably as talented as Fed, too bad he didn't dedicate himself as much and he was such a jerk.
I think Lendl should be Fed's coach. Lendl would make Fed **** rainbows and perfect his fitness and his weaknesses.
I think Lendl would be perfect fit for Fed. Or someone like Toni too.
Those guys would make Fed work harder, improve his fitness and make him better tactically. Also teach him some mental tougness and a bit of gamesmanship and psychological warfare. They are masters.
With those guys Fed could maximize his potential winning CYGS and 20+ majors.
I was just thinking the same thing for Becker. Immense talent up there with Mac. If he didn't have a all those personal issues and long lapses where he thought he didn't need to train hard he could've easily racked up more slams. Prime example was when J Mac thumped him at the AO in 1992. Becker was the defending champ and he showed up as if he spent too much time at a food buffet.
Yeah, good point. Becker too. Maybe he tasted success too early and too easy, so he wasn't mentally ready to work harder. When you achieve so much so early you think there isn't much to do and you lose motivation.
At least Becker is a nice guy. He just was using drugs and having women. Lost his purpose. Everything is bad when you overdue it.
Talented guys sometimes delude themselves talent is enough. Or aren't used working hard then they quit. So, talent can also be a curse.
The irony is that most successful people in the world aren't usually the talented ones. Because guys with less talent have more motivation, it's a challenge to work harder. And hard work will beat talent always.
Good thing Fed dedicated himself and didn't taste early success. It could have ruined him too. It's like some people who win the lottery end up being broke after. Too much too soon can be bad.
But who are we to say. I think 90% of TW people waste talent here arguing meaningless stuff. Including myself .
I really don't understand these guys. If i was as talented as either of these guys i know that i would work as hard as i can to achieve greatness. Talent is a God given gift, so why not take advantage of it? After all,IMO, it has been given to you precisely with the purpose of maximizing it.
At least when i look back, to not have any regrets on what more could i have achieved had i worked harder and kept my focus on tennis
It's sort of a paradox. When you are talented you are used not working hard and when you have to people usually quit.
How do you even know you aren't as talented anyway? Some people develop their talent a bit later. Also just because teacher or coach tells you, you don't have it, doesn't mean anything.
Talent is overrated anyway. You also need to love what you do and work hard. Most people who are on top aren't the most talented. They just work really hard and they love it. Besides if you love it, you don't need to be top guy to enjoy it.
There is also some luck in tennis, that you start early and have parents who support you mentally and financially.
Maybe some guys really can't take the every day stress of being a professional tennis player. It involves working hard and making a lot of sacrifices.
Dealing with having big matches every year and looking to always perform your best in these situations can really stress you out and sometimes it stops you from enjoying life.
It is not easy to be one of them. Some can be really scared of failures.
Yes, it's hard. A lot of sacrifices. You really need to love it to be worth it to you. I guess we don't even come close to understanding what it takes to be even top 500. Let alone top 100 or top 10.
People can also be scared of success too. More pressure, media bothers you more, less privacy. More money means more people trying to take away from you, more problems. Also with money, more temptations like drugs, women...
World class mental toughenss is needed.
This is what i admire about Fed. He has all the money in the world and he still wants to deal with the pressure day in and day out.
This is a prime example of a guy really enjoying what he is doing
In the spring of 1984. McEnroe said it again to a journalist just before 1984 Wimbledon when she asked him whether he had tried the "Haas diet". Robert Haas was Martina Navratilova's nutritionist. Lendl was bringing the same sort of discipline to his own diet.
didn´t he really mean Haagen Dasz diet?
McEnroe said to Lendl that he was on a Haagen-Dazs diet, and later repeated this to a journalist before 1984 Wimbledon, when she asked him if he had tried the "Haas diet". The "Haas diet" was referring to Martina Navratilova's nutritionist, Robert Haas.
So I checked it now, and Djoker is back to #40. Interesting!
What about Fed ?
If you trust that idiotic list, you are too lazy. That list is "perfect" crap.
Emerson and Lendl were never as or nearly as good: Lendl won 8 open era majors while Emerson won only amateur GS tournaments. Lendl was No.1 for several years while Emmo was at his best only No. 4 or 5 (only in 1964).
Emerson ahead of GOAT candidates Rosewall and Gonzalez is the greatest shame in tennis history regarding ranking lists. Don't trust the idiots from Tennis Channel! They had only one serious expert, Bud Collins, who ranks Tilden, Gonzalez, Rosewall and Laver as the four true GOAT contenders!
The post-war wool-pant fanatics at it yet again!:lol:
The fanatic of stupidity yet again! Especially for you for the 1000th time: There were no wool pants after 1946. Even a foolish troll like you should be able to understand this simple fact. What about your mental doctor? Can he help you?
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