Djokovic h2h vs Fedalray since he peaked on all surfaces and conditions

[RF-18]

VS Nadal

Outdoor HC: 9-2 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 2-0 Djokovic
Grass: 2-0 Djokovic
Clay: 7-7

VS Federer

Outdoor HC: 9-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 4-1 Djokovic
Grass: 2-1 Djokovic
Clay: 3-2 Djokovic

VS Murray

Outdoor HC 14-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC 3-1 Djokovic
Grass 2-0 Murray
Clay 3-1 Djokovic

Unbelieveable.

 

[lud]

Djokovic vs Nadal 0-9(clay, before 2011). Beats all these h2h after 2011 in terms of dominance.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

The 7-7 on clay is just incredible

 

[Rabe87]

VS Nadal

Outdoor HC: 9-2 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 2-0 Djokovic
Grass: 2-0 Djokovic
Clay: 7-7

VS Federer

Outdoor HC: 9-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 4-1 Djokovic
Grass: 2-1 Djokovic
Clay: 3-2 Djokovic

VS Murray

Outdoor HC 14-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC 3-1 Djokovic
Grass 2-0 Murray
Clay 3-1 Djokovic

Unbelieveable.

He is the only man in history to hold all four slams over all three surfaces at once so idk why these stats surprise you

 

[Midaso240]

Grassray owns Novak!

 

[tennisaddict]

Record against Nadal impressive, but it actually a blot he lost close to 10 times to old Fed and 2 major finals to Murray and another 2 more to Stan

 

[mike danny]

It's 9 wins for Fed, not 8. Somewhere you made a mistake.

 

[lud]

It's 9 wins for Fed, not 8. Somewhere you made a mistake.

Yeah. I believe Fed has 5 wins at outdoor hard. Cincy 12,15,Dubai 14,15 and Shanghai 14.

 

[mika1979]

VS Nadal

Outdoor HC: 9-2 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 2-0 Djokovic
Grass: 2-0 Djokovic
Clay: 7-7

VS Federer

Outdoor HC: 9-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 4-1 Djokovic
Grass: 2-1 Djokovic
Clay: 3-2 Djokovic

VS Murray

Outdoor HC 14-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC 3-1 Djokovic
Grass 2-0 Murray
Clay 3-1 Djokovic

Unbelieveable.

How lucky was Fed to rack up the wins against the young Novak. Imagine if Novak was slightly worse in the early years and missed playing Fed so much early on in his career. Utter domination, and goes to show how good he is on Clay

 

[True Fanerer]

So he owns Nadal and got owned by Murray on grass.

Cool.

 

[NBP]

How lucky was Fed to rack up the wins against the young Novak. Imagine if Novak was slightly worse in the early years and missed playing Fed so much early on in his career. Utter domination, and goes to show how good he is on Clay

How lucky was Djokovic to rack up the wins against the old Federer. Imagine if Roger was slightly worse in the later years and missed playing Novak so much late on in his career.

 

[BrokenGears]

How lucky was Djokovic to rack up the wins against the old Federer. Imagine if Roger was slightly worse in the later years and missed playing Novak so much late on in his career.

It goes both ways

 

[mika1979]

VS Nadal

Outdoor HC: 9-2 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 2-0 Djokovic
Grass: 2-0 Djokovic
Clay: 7-7

VS Federer

Outdoor HC: 9-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC: 4-1 Djokovic
Grass: 2-1 Djokovic
Clay: 3-2 Djokovic

VS Murray

Outdoor HC 14-4 Djokovic
Indoor HC 3-1 Djokovic
Grass 2-0 Murray
Clay 3-1 Djokovic

Unbelieveable.

So sad for Novak that he and Fed werent the same age. He would already have cemented goathood

 

[AlexanderTheGreat08]

The 7-7 on clay is just incredible

Not really when you consider 3 of his wins were against 2015-16 Nadal, When they were both fit it was 5-4 in Nadal’s favor with Djokovic having 0 wins at Roland Garros

 

[Milehigh5280]

You'll get some pushback for this but Novak is making his case for 2nd greatest of all time

 

[Raining hopes]

I love Novak but the thread's premise is idiotic



Yaaay! let's not give a damn to other people's forms or respect their best in any other year span it's only when Novak peaks that matters. And let's only talk about this time frame like he didn't have a career a before or everyone that beat him did it because
He hadn't found gluten free bread.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Not really when you consider 3 of his wins were against 2015-16 Nadal, When they were both fit it was 5-4 in Nadal’s favor with Djokovic having 0 wins at Roland Garros

Its still incredible imo

 

[Deleted member 688153]

mury goat after all i guess

 

[duaneeo]

How lucky was Fed to rack up the wins against the young Novak.

Nole had won a slam, a WTF, and 4 Masters all before the age 22. He was one of several strong young guns Federer faced during his peak/prime years. But in fairness, peak/prime Djokovic faced his share of strong young guns as well, like...uh...uh...uh...oh, like...no. Uh...

 

[RS]

How lucky was Djokovic to rack up the wins against the old Federer. Imagine if Roger was slightly worse in the later years and missed playing Novak so much late on in his career.

Seems like you taking credit from Novak. Federer was still great on all surfaces until 2012 and Djokovic had beaten him 13 times including 5 times at slams before Federer turned old.
And BTW Federer is the best post 28 player in the last 40 years. You are ignoring Federer played well in 2011-2012/2014/2015 when Djokovic was beating him.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Unbelieveable

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

 

[tennisfan2015]

So sad for Novak that he and Fed werent the same age. He would already have cemented goathood

And they would have kids at the same time too.

 

[mika1979]

Seems like you taking credit from Novak. Federer was still great on all surfaces until 2012 and Djokovic had beaten him 13 times including 5 times at slams before Federer turned old.
And BTW Federer is the best post 28 player in the last 40 years. You are ignoring Federer played well in 2011-2012/2014/2015 when Djokovic was beating him.

Common sense is not very common. For the last 20 years due to the increased money, the top guys are better prepared and stay at the top longer making it hard for newcomers to break through. Hence the early struggles for Novak against Fed, who certainly wasnt and old man in the early part of this decade and was pretty close to his best

 

[axlrose]

I hope it's not an implication that Djo's the GOAT.

I admire his peak a lot, 2011 is one of the best things happened to tennis ever, but let's wait until all Big 3 retire.

Atm Fedr is still the greatest of this Era.

 

[NoleFam]

Not really when you consider 3 of his wins were against 2015-16 Nadal, When they were both fit it was 5-4 in Nadal’s favor with Djokovic having 0 wins at Roland Garros

Well it was 7-5 Djokovic before his drop off so I think 7-7 is pretty fair.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Not really when you consider 3 of his wins were against 2015-16 Nadal, When they were both fit it was 5-4 in Nadal’s favor with Djokovic having 0 wins at Roland Garros

And 2 wins by Nadal were against 2017-18 Djokovic.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Djokovic is the best player ever. Not the most accomplished yet.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Djokovic vs Nadal 0-9(clay, before 2011). Beats all these h2h after 2011 in terms of dominance.

Yes of course Rafa is the far and away GOAT on clay. He's better and more dominant on clay than anyone ever has been on any surface. By quite a bit.

But that makes the 7-7 from 2011 and on all that more incredible imo. Nadal has won 6 RG's in that time span as well (more than half his titles)

 

[Deleted member 757377]

From the 2011 Roland Garros to 2012 Australian Open the big4 reached 15 slam semifinals out of 16, and the other one was a loss in the quarterfinals in the fifth set against peaking Tsonga.

In this period, Djokovic won 3 slams out of 4...

 

[KINGROGER]

Common sense is not very common. For the last 20 years due to the increased money, the top guys are better prepared and stay at the top longer making it hard for newcomers to break through. Hence the early struggles for Novak against Fed, who certainly wasnt and old man in the early part of this decade and was pretty close to his best

He was nowhere near his best in 2014-2015. If he was then Nole wouldn’t have won 2 Wimbledon finals vs him or a USO.

 

[KINGROGER]

Djokovic is the best player ever. Not the most accomplished yet.

Nadal is better on clay. Fed is better on grass and medium-fast/fast HC. Fed better overall.

Nole can become most accomplished though.

 

[TheFifthSet]

What blows my mind the most is that Nadal has only beaten Djokovic twice on non-clay surfaces (2-13) in the past 8 years...both happened within a month of each other.

Nadal from 24-32 has been absolutely helpless against Djokovic on grass and HC.

 

[Tennisgods]

How lucky was Fed to rack up the wins against the young Novak. Imagine if Novak was slightly worse in the early years and missed playing Fed so much early on in his career. Utter domination, and goes to show how good he is on Clay

How lucky is Novak to rack up the wins against old Fed. Etc etc.

 

[mike danny]

Seems like you taking credit from Novak. Federer was still great on all surfaces until 2012 and Djokovic had beaten him 13 times including 5 times at slams before Federer turned old.
And BTW Federer is the best post 28 player in the last 40 years. You are ignoring Federer played well in 2011-2012/2014/2015 when Djokovic was beating him.

Aha, so it's ok what the poster mika said...You only speak up your mind on the retort...

 

[RaulRamirez]

Seems like you taking credit from Novak. Federer was still great on all surfaces until 2012 and Djokovic had beaten him 13 times including 5 times at slams before Federer turned old.
And BTW Federer is the best post 28 player in the last 40 years. You are ignoring Federer played well in 2011-2012/2014/2015 when Djokovic was beating him.

(To everyone reading) What's almost ridiculously ironic in these various GOAT discussions is that - to some - it helps a player if he is not considered playing well at some point. Players - even those as great as The Big 3 - go through relative peaks and valleys, as they're only human. One has to consider the whole record and actually should wait till players retire, as we don't know what's in store for any of them.

To the original point of this thread, it is amazing how Djokovic vaulted to the top, dominating his biggest rivals since (I suppose) the start of 2011. In my mind, it's very close among Federer, Djokovic and Nadal in terms of career achievements. To me, Fed (for now) still has the strongest case, but he is 5 years older than Rafa and 6 years older than Novak, give or take a month or two. At their peaks, I think a case can be made for any of the three as greatest. For career value, Fed has had the benefit of being born sooner and having remarkable longevity at or near the top.

 

[mike danny]

It goes both ways

Most of their matches have been played since 2011. It's not an even playing field.

 

[mike danny]

(To everyone reading) What's almost ridiculously ironic in these various GOAT discussions is that - to some - it helps a player if he is not considered playing well at some point. Players - even those as great as The Big 3 - go through relative peaks and valleys, as they're only human. One has to consider the whole record and actually should wait till players retire, as we don't know what's in store for any of them.

To the original point of this thread, it is amazing how Djokovic vaulted to the top, dominating his biggest rivals since (I suppose) the start of 2011. In my mind, it's very close among Federer, Djokovic and Nadal in terms of career achievements. To me, Fed (for now) still has the strongest case, but he is 5 years older than Rafa and 6 years older than Novak, give or take a month or two. At their peaks, I think a case can be made for any of the three as greatest. For career value, Fed has had the benefit of being born sooner and having remarkable longevity at or near the top.

And for career value, Djokodal benefit from being born when they were because they were guaranteed deplorable young players in their 30's.

 

[mike danny]

Common sense is not very common. For the last 20 years due to the increased money, the top guys are better prepared and stay at the top longer making it hard for newcomers to break through. Hence the early struggles for Novak against Fed, who certainly wasnt and old man in the early part of this decade and was pretty close to his best

Are you a special kind? The new young and comers have been struggling to break through in the last 5-6 years, not over a decade ago. Hence why Fed had genuine young talent to compete against in the form of Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Delpo.

Novak is 31 and he still plays exclusively the oldies to win his slams. No wonder he looks like 25.

 

[RF-18]

What blows my mind the most is that Nadal has only beaten Djokovic twice on non-clay surfaces (2-13) in the past 8 years...both happened within a month of each other.

Nadal from 24-32 has been absolutely helpless against Djokovic on grass and HC.

It's amazing

 

[Pantera]

At the majors Nadal I think is 4-2 ahead of Djokovic in same time frame.

 

[Rebel-I.N.S]

Grassray is GOAT.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

atp finals and slam semifinals, which express good form since they're reached winning 4-5 matches in a row:

Djokovic vs big4:

47-31 (78 matches, 60.3% of wins)

nadal vs big4:

36-29 (65 matches, 55.4% of wins)

federer vs big4:

26-40 (66 matches, 39.4% of wins)

murray vs big4:

16-25 (41 matches, 39% of wins)

 

[lud]

At the majors Nadal I think is 4-2 ahead of Djokovic in same time frame.

How?
Wim,Uso - 11
AO - 12
Wim -18
That's 4 for Djoko.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

How?
Wim,Uso - 11
AO - 12
Wim -18
That's 4 for Djoko.

5

RG - 15

 

[Eren]

atp finals and slam semifinals, which express good form since they're reached winning 4-5 matches in a row:

Don't entirely agree. Federer reached the SF at Wimbledon in 2013 (?) but he was abysmal. I don't think, even old Fed, would lose to Raonic on grass if he had an okay form.

Same could be said for Djokovic in 2016 USO etc.

Good form is also relative, Federer was in good form in 2014 compared to 2013 where he was kind of bad lol. His 2014 form was far far away from his peak form though (same could be said about Djokovic for USO '16 and WTF '16 f.e.).

Still a great achievement of Djokovic considering the fact that he makes it to the last 4 in Slams regularly on all surfaces (excluding 2017 of course for obvious reasons).

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Wins over top-10 ranked F/N/D:

Djokovic 52
Nadal 45
Federer 32

 

[Deleted member 757377]

. His 2014 form was far far away from his peak form though (same could be said about Djokovic for USO '16 and WTF '16 f.e.).

I think peak can be expressed across many years, not only 3-4. If you reach a final, you're playing good.

For example I wouln't say Djokovic wasn't at his peak in matches like this:

 

[Jonas78]

atp finals and slam semifinals, which express good form since they're reached winning 4-5 matches in a row:

Djokovic vs big4:

47-31 (78 matches, 60.3% of wins)

nadal vs big4:

36-29 (65 matches, 55.4% of wins)

federer vs big4:

26-40 (66 matches, 39.4% of wins)

murray vs big4:

16-25 (41 matches, 39% of wins)

Kind of meaningless to present numbers that doesnt say anything of their level of play when the match was played. If Djokovic was in his thirties and had 5-6 year younger Nadal/Federer/Murray chasing him the numbers would be different.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

@Eren

Also, I think you overrate his wins over a less competitive field. Federer lost 23 of the first 38 matches against the big4, and won 15 of the last 24.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

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