Djokovic has equalled Serena's 23 slams open era record and her triple career slam

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It wasn't long ago that he blasted past Graf's all time record male or female as world number one, that he is equalled the open era record for most slams won with Serena....but also equalling her triple career slam.

Serena has 3 Roland Garros and 7 Wimbledon titles, Novak has equalled that feat now.


Oh, and I have to say it....

One Again The Reigning...!!! Defending....!!!! Undisputed....!!! Heavyweight...!!!! ATP mens singles number one player of the world...!!!!! Novak....Djokovic....!!!!!
 
That must've been an awkward gala event. Djokovic saying women don't deserve equal pay to men in tennis and Serena asking him if he'd still think the same if his daughter played pro tennis. :cool:
 
NAS said:
Atp and wta are different tour, you can't compare their record
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You really think, the thought of catching Court and passing her is not on his mind? He thrilled when he beat Graf's number one record. This guy is a true warrior, he is looking for the next challenge, no matter where it comes from. If there is nothing left in the mens side, he is looking at the womens.
 
Hitman said:
You really think, the thought of catching Court and passing her is not on his mind? He thrilled when he beat Graf's number one record. This guy is a true warrior, he is looking for the next challenge, no matter where it comes from. If there is nothing left in the mens side, he is looking at the womens.
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Who knows, but as I said in another thread nobody cares about Court, despite her slam record. The only reason Serena was fixated was it still a big official womens record, even if by someone nobody considers as GOAT, but Djokovic being a guy is totally different. I think he probably does pass her mark, but that isn't a specific motivation. It is a womens mark, and she isn't even that relevant in any tennis talks besides her homophobic views.
 
insideoutforehands said:
Who knows, but as I said in another thread nobody cares about Court, despite her slam record. The only reason Serena was fixated was it still a big official womens record, even if by someone nobody considers as GOAT, but Djokovic being a guy is totally different. I think he probably does pass her mark, but that isn't a specific motivation. It is a womens mark, and she isn't even that relevant in any tennis talks besides her homophobic views.
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The thing is, Djokovic tries to get motivation from anywhere he can. Lets not forget how everyone kept talking about Graf's golden CYGS in 2021, and her CYGS. You are right in they are women's records, but this, after taking everything on mens side, is going to continue to look for anything possible to keep that drive going. Alcaraz and company arriving has certainly help get him pumped up, but I am sure a history chaser like him is looking at absolutely everything possible, even outside mens tennis.
 
Hitman said:
The thing is, Djokovic tries to get motivation from anywhere he can. Lets not forget how everyone kept talking about Graf's golden CYGS in 2021, and her CYGS. You are right in they are women's records, but this, after taking everything on mens side, is going to continue to look for anything possible to keep that drive going. Alcaraz and company arriving has certainly help get him pumped up, but I am sure a history chaser like him is looking at absolutely everything possible, even outside mens tennis.
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I mean if Court was a more relevant figure in the womens game and game of tennis in general I could see it, but as I said she isn't. It is all moot anyway, as I am pretty sure he breaks the mark, whether it is a motivator or not.
 
But he will never equal the grace and the sportsmanship of Serena - *cough*. *cough* OK, I almost got that out with a straight face.
Well, in Djokovic's defense, he never threatened to murder a lineswoman with his bare hands, even if he did actually attack one.
 
insideoutforehands said:
I mean if Court was a more relevant figure in the womens game and game of tennis in general I could see it, but as I said she isn't. It is all moot anyway, as I am pretty sure he breaks the mark, whether it is a motivator or not.
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Whatever you think of Court and her achievements (and she was one of the greatest players in the game) her record of 24 Slams stands in the record books and Djokovic will definitely want to surpass that. Motivation enough for him!
 
insideoutforehands said:
Who knows, but as I said in another thread nobody cares about Court, despite her slam record. The only reason Serena was fixated was it still a big official womens record, even if by someone nobody considers as GOAT, but Djokovic being a guy is totally different. I think he probably does pass her mark, but that isn't a specific motivation. It is a womens mark, and she isn't even that relevant in any tennis talks besides her homophobic views.
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Tennis is one sport and one history, otherwise, it is picked apart and irrelevant. Court is one of the long- recognized GOAT players. That is a fact that will never be erased no matter how much some despise her religion and belief in said religion.
 
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Yea he did. Both have 23 Slams and 3 career Slams. I saw Venus congratulated Nole but didn't see anything from Serena. :unsure:
 
insideoutforehands said:
I mean if Court was a more relevant figure in the womens game and game of tennis in general I could see it, but as I said she isn't. It is all moot anyway, as I am pretty sure he breaks the mark, whether it is a motivator or not.
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Unlike Navratilova, King and to a lesser extent Evert, Court had a significant life outside of tennis after she retired. She raised 4 children and was very active in her church's charity works and other activities. It is because she was outspoken against Gay lifestyle, as is or was true of the major religions of the world, that she has been condemned by the tennis community. As an old Gay man of her age, I can understand her religious beliefs, even though I do not agree with most of them. The fact IS Margret Court was the dominate women player from 1962-1973, winning 190 tournaments which include 24 slams. She was a major winner on ALL surfaces, in singles, doubles and mixed doubles and certainly of GOAT statue in Women's Tennis.
 
thrust said:
Unlike Navratilova, King and to a lesser extent Evert, Court had a significant life outside of tennis after she retired. She raised 4 children and was very active in her church's charity works and other activities. It is because she was outspoken against Gay lifestyle, as is or was true of the major religions of the world, that she has been condemned by the tennis community. As an old Gay man of her age, I can understand her religious beliefs, even though I do not agree with most of them. The fact IS Margret Court was the dominate women player from 1962-1973, winning 190 tournaments which include 24 slams. She was a major winner on ALL surfaces, in singles, doubles and mixed doubles and certainly of GOAT statue in Women's Tennis.
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Whether rightly or wrongly (IMO wrongly) the fact is Court is never brought up as a serious GOAT candidate amongst fans or experts these days. That is what I meant. You almost never hear anyone rank her higher than 5th in the Open Era behind Graf, Serena, Navratilova, Evert. Again rightly or wrongly.

The sad truth is you hear far more about her homophobic views than her tennis achievments these days. The lone exception was when Serena was chasing her slam record, and that finally got her some overdo tennis related attention too.
 
Hitman said:
You really think, the thought of catching Court and passing her is not on his mind? He thrilled when he beat Graf's number one record. This guy is a true warrior, he is looking for the next challenge, no matter where it comes from. If there is nothing left in the mens side, he is looking at the womens.
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Why don't you ask him? Isn't that what twitter is for?
 
Mainad said:
Whatever you think of Court and her achievements (and she was one of the greatest players in the game) her record of 24 Slams stands in the record books and Djokovic will definitely want to surpass that. Motivation enough for him!
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Court also has the highest winning % of ANY woman from 1960-1975. Higher than: Graf, Evert, Navratilova and Serena
 
insideoutforehands said:
Whether rightly or wrongly (IMO wrongly) the fact is Court is never brought up as a serious GOAT candidate amongst fans or experts these days. That is what I meant. You almost never hear anyone rank her higher than 5th in the Open Era behind Graf, Serena, Navratilova, Evert. Again rightly or wrongly.
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Open Era does not truly apply to Women's Tennis as there was NO women's pro tour as there was in the men's game. ALL top women players were eligible to compete in all tournaments, including Slams before 1968. IMO, they falsely separate open era in women's tennis to make the more modern players seem better than the players who came before them, especially Margret Court.
 
thrust said:
Open Era does not truly apply to Women's Tennis as there was NO women's pro tour as there was in the men's game. ALL top women players were eligible to compete in all tournaments, including Slams before 1968. IMO, they falsely separate open era in women's tennis to make the more modern players seem better than the players who came before them, especially Margret Court.
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I mean of players that played in the Open Era. If you are talking all time Court is often ranked lower than 5th even as Wills Moody, Lenglen, Connolly get more praise than she does. Again not saying it is right, in fact I have said often it is wrong, but that is reality. When have you ever talked to a tennis friend or heard a commentator, or ex player (minus Nancy Richey) bring up Court as a main GOAT candidate? Yeah exactly.
 
insideoutforehands said:
I mean of players that played in the Open Era. If you are talking all time Court is often ranked lower than 5th even as Wills Moody, Lenglen, Connolly get more praise than she does. Again not saying it is right, in fact I have said often it is wrong, but that is reality. When have you ever talked to a tennis friend or heard a commentator, or ex player (minus Nancy Richey) bring up Court as a main GOAT candidate? Yeah exactly.
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Any fair minded tennis follower or expert who looks at Court's career statistics would have to conclude that Court was one of the very greatest female players of ALL-TIME. Only Lenglen, Moody or Connoly MAY have a higher winning % than Court but even in only the open era, Court's winning % was higher then: Evert, Navratilova, Graf or Serena's.
 
To be honest I'd actually be happy for Djokovic to surpass Margaret Court at this point. Maybe then we can stop giving her the attention she craves.
 
thrust said:
Unlike Navratilova, King and to a lesser extent Evert, Court had a significant life outside of tennis after she retired. She raised 4 children and was very active in her church's charity works and other activities. It is because she was outspoken against Gay lifestyle, as is or was true of the major religions of the world, that she has been condemned by the tennis community. As an old Gay man of her age, I can understand her religious beliefs, even though I do not agree with most of them. The fact IS Margret Court was the dominate women player from 1962-1973, winning 190 tournaments which include 24 slams. She was a major winner on ALL surfaces, in singles, doubles and mixed doubles and certainly of GOAT statue in Women's Tennis.
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I play tennis sometimes with a group of guys who are all around 75 years old. I'm 50. We sat around for an hour after playing on Saturday.

All of the guys sound like you. They all would all say things like "I can understand this view or that view and have no problem with people who believe this or that, even though I believe something different". It was never personal.

I wondered when people lost that and why it happened. Even most people my age can only see their side of things and really truly hate people that hold different view from them. And it's always personal.

It's quite interesting.
 
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Court only gets attention because intolerant people resent her religious beliefs and resent the fact that she dares to express them.
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Yes it's everyone else who forces her to condemn Navratilova for corrupting children with her "lifestyle choice" etc.

You're not fooling anyone.
 
NoleFam said:
Yea he did. Both have 23 Slams and 3 career Slams. I saw Venus congratulated Nole but didn't see anything from Serena. :unsure:
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Serena Williams is no longer the only tennis player, male or female, to win 23 Grand Slam titles.
She must not like to have company.
:D
 
Hitman said:
You really think, the thought of catching Court and passing her is not on his mind? He thrilled when he beat Graf's number one record. This guy is a true warrior, he is looking for the next challenge, no matter where it comes from. If there is nothing left in the mens side, he is looking at the womens.
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After he gets 24 on ATP, to transition and get another 24 on WTA!
 
tennis3 said:
I play tennis sometimes with a group of guys who are all around 75 years old. I'm 50. We sat around for an hour after playing on Saturday.

All of the guys sound like you. They all would all say things like "I can understand this view or that view and have no problem with people who believe this or that, even though I believe something different".

I wondered when people lost that and why it happened. Even most people my age can only see their side of things and really truly hate people that hold different view from them.

It's quite interesting.
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insideoutforehands said:
I mean of players that played in the Open Era. If you are talking all time Court is often ranked lower than 5th even as Wills Moody, Lenglen, Connolly get more praise than she does. Again not saying it is right, in fact I have said often it is wrong, but that is reality. When have you ever talked to a tennis friend or heard a commentator, or ex player (minus Nancy Richey) bring up Court as a main GOAT candidate? Yeah exactly.
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Because the other players were jealous of Court's achievements, primarily: King, Evert, Navratilova because they wanted to be considered the GOAT. King and Navratilova are Lesbians and Evert is Gay friendly. Graf has too much class to trash Court due to her beliefs. I recently read that Court said Nancy Richey was her best friend on the tour, which surprised me. I never read of Serena trashing Court either, perhaps because she seems to have religious beliefs.
 
Pheasant said:
My thoughts exactly. Margaret Court's record needs to be eclipsed. He's already shattered all of the men's records. He might was well pass Court.
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Should be easy enough with Wimbledon coming up.
Djokovic already surpassed Steffi Graf's 22 majors.
Now go wipe out Serena's 23 and then erase Margaret Court's 24. :cool:
 
And he had to deal with Fed/Nadal in the process most his career until now. . Serena dealt with like nothing after Davenport, Henin, Venus Clijsters, etc. were gone. Not to mention he didn't have insane strength/power and a GOAT serve to rely on like Serena
 
Sampras-Bruguera 1993 said:
And he had to deal with Fed/Nadal in the process most his career until now. . Serena dealt with like nothing after Davenport, Henin, Venus Clijsters, etc. were gone. Not to mention he didn't have insane strength/power and a GOAT serve to rely on like Serena
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But who has the superior mental strength of the two?
 
DSH said:
Serena Williams is no longer the only tennis player, male or female, to win 23 Grand Slam titles.
She must not like to have company.
:D
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Serena always had company because Margaret Court is on 24 and remains the most Slam titled player in the history of the game (and it's no good saying some of them don't count because they do in the record books) until someone, obviously Djokovic, surpasses her.
 
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