Djokovic has lost 4 of his last 8 matches

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
This is the 5th year in a row that Djokovic hasn't won the WTF yet everyone is cooing that he is the best on indoor surfaces. Granted that one of those years he didn't even qualify.
 

Bamoos

Rookie
Many of us Nadal fans got accused of being Djokovic haters when we were saying we wanted Nadal to play Djokovic on any surface on current form. Thiem was poor today his FH was a liability yet he still won on djokovics best surface indoors. Medvedev thrashed him. PCB was outclassing him at USO.
I am not sure when the penny will drop for Djokovic fans that his level has dropped massively. He is never going to win 4 more Majors. Nadal is much more likely to win a few more. In fact id back Federer over Djokovic to win a Major now.
I think they were banking on Novak winning majors forever post prime vs mug nextgen. Those slam losses at his peak to Murray, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Querrey, Istomin etc have come back to haunt him.

Federer cleaned up during his. Rafa has ruined RG for everyone else.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Oh not this crap again.

It's probably about the 100th time I've said this, but generally the youngsters have lost before they've even reached the Big 3.
Field isn't a gold fish aquarium. There are dangerous sharks swimming around. Even Millman and Sandgren are capable of producing Federer-like level at times.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
Field isn't a gold fish aquarium. There are dangerous sharks swimming around. Even Millman and Sandgren are capable of producing Federer-like level at times.
Firstly, no. Just no.

Secondly, why are you now moving on from your original argument that the youngsters lost because they've faced the Big 3, to now saying they can lose to anyone who happens to be playing well?

Essentially they're useless and you know it.

:whistle:
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Guys, Djokovic is still unbeaten in non-clay Grand Slam finals since US Open 2016. He won 5 of the last 9 GS tournaments.

2018 he won 2 GS and 2 masters.
2019 he won 2 GS and 2 masters.
2020 he won 1 GS and 2 masters but due to covid-19 got robbed of 1-2 GS titles.

He didn't even reach the SF in the ATP finals 2019. This tells us NOTHING for 2021+
 

Bamoos

Rookie
Guys, Djokovic is still unbeaten in non-clay Grand Slam finals since US Open 2016. He won 5 of the last 9 GS tournaments.

2018 he won 2 GS and 2 masters.
2019 he won 2 GS and 2 masters.
2020 he won 1 GS and 2 masters but due to covid-19 got robbed of 1-2 GS titles.

He didn't even reach the SF in the ATP finals 2019. This tells us NOTHING for 2021+
Played 3 slams in 2020 bud. Destroyed by Rafa. Outplayed by Busta before the deserved default. Barely scraped past an imploding Thiem with help of MTO.

2 nextgen guys have got his number in BO3 at least, Thiem soon BO5. Tsisipas getting closer. Nadal owns him on clay. Fortunate to vulture “Cincy” and rome in the absence of tour’s best players.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Firstly, no. Just no.

Secondly, why are you now moving on from your original argument that the youngsters lost because they've faced the Big 3, to now saying they can lose to anyone who happens to be playing well?

Essentially they're useless and you know it.

:whistle:
My argument was not that youngsters lose only to big 3, but that it's hard to win slams when 3 players win 57. Were Murray, Wawrinka, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick losing only to big 3?
Big 3 also lose to other players, so they must be useless as well.

Anyway, I'm done with this never-ending argument. You can just prolong it to infinity by assuming absolutes.
 

Imperator

Hall of Fame
No better excuse for Novak so let’s attack the user congrats :D
No excuse is needed, Thiem was the better player and Djokovic lost. Plain and simple. Now does it change the fact the OP seems to dedicate almost all his time to trashtalking a tennis player in a tennis forum by making low quality threads ? No.

Also, post history checked. Now I understand your intervention better.
 

Sudacafan

Talk Tennis Guru
Not long ago Djokovic fans were gloating about how Djokovic was undefeated but I did say that his level was being overrated because he was not playing the best players and that he was also struggling in many of his matches.

And here he is now struggling to win matches and completely being bullied and exposed despite playing mostly in conditions he likes on indoors hardcourt. I was right after all. For the record it all started with that bagel by Nadal. :love:

French OpenFRafael Nadal (2)2Loss (1)0–6, 2–6, 5–7
Vienna1RFilip Krajinović30Win7–6(8–6), 6–3
Vienna2RBorna Ćorić24Win7–6(13–11), 6–3
ViennaQFLorenzo Sonego (LL)42Loss2–6, 1–6
ATP FinalsRRDiego Schwartzman (8)9Win6–3, 6–2
ATP FinalsRRDaniil Medvedev (4)5Loss3–6, 3–6
ATP FinalsRRAlexander Zverev (5)7Win6–3, 7–6(7–4)
ATP FinalsSFDominic Thiem (3)3Loss5-7, 6-7(10-12), 7-6(7-5)
So lucky he clinched YE#1.
 

Bamoos

Rookie
While you’re at it why not include all his matches that he played since he was born? :unsure: :rolleyes:
Great start to the year but performed miracle escapes against Thiem and Monfils. True level exposed vs peaking top players since the restart (despite the great escapes in cincy and Rome)
 
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fox

Semi-Pro
No excuse is needed, Thiem was the better player and Djokovic lost. Plain and simple. Now does it change the fact the OP seems to dedicate almost all his time to trashtalking a tennis player in a tennis forum by making low quality threads ? No.

Also, post history checked. Now I understand your intervention better.
Everyone has right to create a thread. You create many dumb threads and still live so why hating and attacking someone for doing the same thing you do?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Djokovic has had a bad pandemic. He needs to unburden himself of politics, be more selective in his goals, and concentrate single-mindedly on his tennis.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
This is the 5th year in a row that Djokovic hasn't won the WTF yet everyone is cooing that he is the best on indoor surfaces. Granted that one of those years he didn't even qualify.
Until proven otherwise, he is still the best indoors. He hasn't won in 5 years, but each of the last 5 winners have been different. So just because he's declined doesn't mean anyone has surpassed him to become better.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Not long ago Djokovic fans were gloating about how Djokovic was undefeated but I did say that his level was being overrated because he was not playing the best players and that he was also struggling in many of his matches.

And here he is now struggling to win matches and completely being bullied and exposed despite playing mostly in conditions he likes on indoors hardcourt. I was right after all. For the record it all started with that bagel by Nadal. :love:

French OpenFRafael Nadal (2)2Loss (1)0–6, 2–6, 5–7
Vienna1RFilip Krajinović30Win7–6(8–6), 6–3
Vienna2RBorna Ćorić24Win7–6(13–11), 6–3
ViennaQFLorenzo Sonego (LL)42Loss2–6, 1–6
ATP FinalsRRDiego Schwartzman (8)9Win6–3, 6–2
ATP FinalsRRDaniil Medvedev (4)5Loss3–6, 3–6
ATP FinalsRRAlexander Zverev (5)7Win6–3, 7–6(7–4)
ATP FinalsSFDominic Thiem (3)3Loss5-7, 6-7(10-12), 7-6(7-5)
What it tells us?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
They are good but the big 3 are best ever. 57 slams. It's hard to become ATG playing alongside such beasts.
Other than Thiem they have barely played against the Big 3 in big matches.

And you can't entirely blame the Big 3 for all the 90's born players having a combined 1 slam between them.
 

Imperator

Hall of Fame
Everyone has right to create a thread. You create many dumb threads and still live so why hating and attacking someone for doing the same thing you do?
He has the right to make dumb posts and everybody has the right to call him out on his pathetic behavior.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Other than Thiem they have barely played against the Big 3 in big matches.

And you can't entirely blame the Big 3 for all the 90's born players having a combined 1 slam between them.
To play big 3 in slams, they have to get very deep, which they did on several occasions. What are the chances that Nadal gets a top 10 player before final? Not only are the big 3 the hurdle, they are hurdles to each other. Tennis is individual sport. There are no combined efforts.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
look idk about anyones decline specifically but i don't buy this idea that djok and nad want to avoid each other

they're pro tennis players, not highschoolers in the playground
 

Oceans

Rookie
Djokovic after MC19 lost 3 of his last 7 matches to inferior players in Kohlschreiber, Medvedev on clay.
Since then, he has won Madrid, W, Paris, AO, Cinci, Rome and delivered a special 40-15. ;)
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
To play big 3 in slams, they have to get very deep, which they did on several occasions. What are the chances that Nadal gets a top 10 player before final? Not only are the big 3 the hurdle, they are hurdles to each other. Tennis is individual sport. There are no combined efforts.
Several ocassions?

The Next Gen have been contenders for only 3 slams in which the Big 3 beat them. 3 slams in a 4 year period.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Tsitsipas beat Federer in AO and lost to Nadal. Zverev played big 3 several times in slams. I see you don't count Thiem at all. :whistle:
Thiem is not Next Gen so of course I don't count him. He has proven himself too to an extent.

Not that impressed with Tsitsi beeating 0lderer when against the younger Rafa, who wasn't even that great, he was abysmal.

Z played Big 3 several times in slams? He is the least affected by the Big 3 in slams as he wasn't a contender at any of the 2 slams where he lost to them.
 

Born_to_slice

Hall of Fame
Thiem is not Next Gen so of course I don't count him. He has proven himself too to an extent.

Not that impressed with Tsitsi beeating 0lderer when against the younger Rafa, who wasn't even that great, he was abysmal.

Z played Big 3 several times in slams? He is the least affected by the Big 3 in slams as he wasn't a contender at any of the 2 slams where he lost to them.
Nadal was touted as the 2nd coming in AO19 before the final.
 
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