Djokovic has shown he can win in any era

Quaichang

Professional
Only thing comical is you being so salty all the time. You will never learn.
Term vulture btw, came out with Fedal. Fed vulturing 2004-2007 and Nadal vulturing RG only.
So you better check your facts before coming here with pain in your behind.
Djokovic is now the GOAT. I concede that as a Fed fan. But the image of him bent over and struggling to breathe in so many matches. Never saw that from Fed at any point in his career. Nobody made winning look as easy and effortless as the Maestro.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
I mean this thread would make sense if he was beating the likes of Federer and Nadal now instead of Tsitsipas and Ben freaking Shelton.

So we really needed to see him beat Fritz to conclude that he can actually do it?
I don't see Nadal or Federer beating Fritz at the US Open. So yes. Only Djokovic has proved he can do it currently.
 

Vincent-C

Hall of Fame
I just hope the unending hype for the muscular Spanish kid dies down a bit now.

Djok's the man- at thirty-six. ;)
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Well, too bad right? They should have made it this far then. Djokovic himself is planning to play at the 2028 Olympics.
Why can't they keep up with him? He can keep up with younger players.
Federer is 42 with a busted knee. He played a similar high level at many slams age 32-36 but was stopped like 6 times by djokovic. He didn’t have luxury of Ruud, tsitispas, Medvedev, Kyrgios and other losers.
 
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He showed that in 2011, OP. Everything since about 2015 has been about the decline of tennis. I’m mostly impressed that he hasn’t gotten bored and walked away from the game.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic hasn’t shown he could win in the weak era of tennis from 2003-2009 - so, he can’t win in all eras like the OP says;)
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
It is what it is and one of them has outlasted everyone.
Kudos for that immense sacrifice.
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tex123

Hall of Fame
You didn't address my point. According to your logic, how can we determine a player is more accomplished than others? Do we need to create them in labs and make them have the exact same careers? How could you be convinced Djokovic is greater than Federer and Nadal? Would he have to hop in a time machine?
You can't for sure but you can determine to an extent. It's subjective. He's not competing with Fed and Nadal. He has been competing with weakgens.

Anyone with a tennis hat on can see Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Rune, Ruud, Zv and Sinner are weak. They have glaring weaknesses. Once in a blue moon they'll play lights out and then go back to their normal. Alcaraz schools them but even he's not there yet. Compare this with the likes of Murray, Stan and Del Potro. Go back a bit. Look at Hewitt. Just watch on YouTube. He was a fighter. Roddick took Fed to a five setter at W 16-14.
 

Robert C

Rookie
You can't for sure but you can determine to an extent. It's subjective. He's not competing with Fed and Nadal. He has been competing with weakgens.

Anyone with a tennis hat on can see Tsitsipas, Medvedev, Rune, Ruud, Zv and Sinner are weak. They have glaring weaknesses. Once in a blue moon they'll play lights out and then go back to their normal. Alcaraz schools them but even he's not there yet. Compare this with the likes of Murray, Stan and Del Potro. Go back a bit. Look at Hewitt. Just watch on YouTube. He was a fighter. Roddick took Fed to a five setter at W 16-14.

“Once in a blue moon they'll play lights out and then go back to their normal”

You then contrast this to Wawrinka! That’s the total definition of Wawrinka right there - his record against Nadal is 3-19! And against Federer 3-23! He was always criticised at the time for only playing lights out once in a blue moon and then being very average the rest of the time.

Same thing happened with Roddick so you’re just trying to bend the truth.
 

Curtennis

Hall of Fame
Dude - at least be honest. Even coaches are saying it. It is the weakest generation of all time.

The only player closer to Djok is Alcaraz but even he's a level below.
Guillermo Coria, Mark Philipoussis, Martin Verkerk, Rainer Schuttler, Fernando Gonzales, Andy Roddick, Lleyton Hewitt.

These are the names of most all of the Major runner uppers on the mid 2000s right around when fed burst on to the scene.

Help me understand how these players would dominate those that Djokovic is winning his slams against in recent years. Please.

Del Potro, Danny Medvedev, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, Dominic Thiem, Andy Murray.

The truth is, you can’t do it. The guys that Djoker is beating in the last 5 years for his slam finals would do just fine H2H against their fellow Slam losers of 15-20 years ago.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
“Once in a blue moon they'll play lights out and then go back to their normal”

You then contrast this to Wawrinka! That’s the total definition of Wawrinka right there - his record against Nadal is 3-19! And against Federer 3-23! He was always criticised at the time for only playing lights out once in a blue moon and then being very average the rest of the time.

Same thing happened with Roddick so you’re just trying to bend the truth.
Wawa has 3 grand slams. Three.

You just proved my point. He existed in big 3 era. Three giants - the best of tennis. And he still managed 3 slams. It's not just about playing lights out once. He did time and again and staying mentally strong when it mattered. It's not like Djokovic takes a toilet break after losing two sets and we know the familiar story with weakgens.

Fed got in Roddick's head. He would've won a lot more. And he would've spanked this generation too - with his serve alone. Do you think any of these weakgens can hang with Hewitt? He would bleed them to death.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
Guillermo Coria, Mark Philipoussis, Martin Verkerk, Rainer Schuttler, Fernando Gonzales, Andy Roddick, Lleyton Hewitt.

These are the names of most all of the Major runner uppers on the mid 2000s right around when fed burst on to the scene.

Help me understand how these players would dominate those that Djokovic is winning his slams against in recent years. Please.

Del Potro, Danny Medvedev, Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, Dominic Thiem, Andy Murray.

The truth is, you can’t do it. The guys that Djoker is beating in the last 5 years for his slam finals would do just fine H2H against their fellow Slam losers of 15-20 years ago.
Are you thick or deliberately trying to bend the truth?

I'm saying Djokovic is vulturing after his rivals (Fed and Nadal) have retired/semi retired. This has been the case for at least two years. No one is casting a doubt on what he achieved when Fed and Nadal were playing. That big 3 era also gave birth to other greats (just not as great) called Murray, Wawrinka and Thiem. Are you saying Djokovic would be dominating like this if Nadal or Fed were playing? He needed Nadal to be out of form to win 3 in 2015. He needed weakgens to win 3 in 2021 and 2023. He would've won a lot more had he not banned himself with his covid stance. His 2011 was super impressive.

And please don't mention that one trick pony called Danny Medvedev. The guy is as limited as it comes. His net play is non existent. His slice is non existent. His shots are ugly. He can only make it count on certain hard courts by being a machine. Djokovic schooled him in straight sets at the Aus Open twice. Nadal, returning from injury, beat him with his variety in 5 sets.
 

Curtennis

Hall of Fame
Are you thick or deliberately trying to bend the truth?

I'm saying Djokovic is vulturing after his rivals (Fed and Nadal) have retired/semi retired. This has been the case for at least two years. No one is casting a doubt on what he achieved when Fed and Nadal were playing. That big 3 era also gave birth to other greats (just not as great) called Murray, Wawrinka and Thiem. Are you saying Djokovic would be dominating like this if Nadal or Fed were playing? He needed Nadal to be out of form to win 3 in 2015. He needed weakgens to win 3 in 2021 and 2023. He would've won a lot more had he not banned himself with his covid stance. His 2011 was super impressive.

And please don't mention that one trick pony called Danny Medvedev. The guy is as limited as it comes. His net play is non existent. His slice is non existent. His shots are ugly. He can only make it count on certain hard courts by being a machine. Djokovic schooled him in straight sets at the Aus Open twice. Nadal, returning from injury, beat him with his variety in 5 sets.
Med destroys Roddick 9/10 on hard courts.

If Djokovic is only vulturing after fed and nadal then were they vulturing before 2011? I seriously can’t comprehend how the one is true without the other being true.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
Med destroys Roddick 9/10 on hard courts.

If Djokovic is only vulturing after fed and nadal then were they vulturing before 2011? I seriously can’t comprehend how the one is true without the other being true.
One has 20 Slams and the other has 22 widely regarded as the one of the greatest in history. How were they vulturing before 2011? At least make some sense here.


One trick pony. You again proved my point.
Med destroys Roddick 9/10 on certain hard courts and nowhere else
 
If he were, he wouldn't have needed to wait until his mid 30's to do it.
He won 12 before turning 30, 12 after turning 30, both runs in a time span of approximately 6 years (if we ignore the outlier 2008). This is more than Borg has won and almost a Sampras-like career. He never came es close to winning a CYGS like after 30 but he still won the NCYGS. Nobody denies that prime Fedal is stronger competition than the generation useless of today, but winning almost a CYGS at age 36 is never anything to scoff at and cannot be entirely blamed on the competition.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
He won 12 before turning 30, 12 after turning 30, both runs in a time span of approximately 6 years (if we ignore the outlier 2008). This is more than Borg has won and almost a Sampras-like career. He never came es close to winning a CYGS like after 30 but he still won the NCYGS. Nobody denies that prime Fedal is stronger competition than the generation useless of today, but winning almost a CYGS at age 36 is never anything to scoff at and cannot be entirely blamed on the competition.
Yes it can because that's precisely how he got that close. Same for 2021.
 
Yes it can because that's precisely how he got that close. Same for 2021.
Sorry but strongly disagree. ENTIRELY due to competition, meaning it has nothing to do with the fact that Novak is one in a billion and a GOAT candidate? One can argue whether Fed from 2017 would have been able to do the same, but fact is no matter how useless the next gen, none other but the absolute GOAT candidates will be able to put up a three slam season at the age of 36.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Sorry but strongly disagree. ENTIRELY due to competition, meaning it has nothing to do with the fact that Novak is one in a billion and a GOAT candidate? One can argue whether Fed from 2017 would have been able to do the same, but fact is no matter how useless the next gen, none other but the absolute GOAT candidates will be able to put up a three slam season at the age of 36.
I don't disagree, I'm just saying that you need to be a GOAT and your competition to be non-existent.
 
He has shown he's the biggest vulture of all time. It's comical.
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