Djokovic has the most wins over GOATs and is 2 wins away from passing Lendl for the most wins over ATGs

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Most matches won against GOATs (Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic):

Djokovic 58
Nadal 53
Federer 40
Laver 37
Murray 29
Connors 20
Rosewall, Agassi 17
Gonzales 9
Borg, McEnroe, Becker 7
Edberg, Sinner 6
Lendl, Alcaraz 5
Wilander 1
Sampras 0


Most matches won against ATGs (GOATs + Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Murray, Alcaraz, Sinner):

Lendl 93
Djokovic 92
Nadal 77
Becker 67
Federer 62
McEnroe 60
Edberg 54
Sampras 52
Agassi 44
Connors 40
Borg 36
Wilander 35
Laver 37
Murray 31
Rosewall 18
Alcaraz 16
Sinner 13
Gonzales 11

Djokovic has the most wins over GOATs and is two wins away from having the most wins over ATGs.
 
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rafa was never overall GOAT so he has probable most wins vs GOATs. and question is if that means GOATs in making, future GOATs or ex GOATs or the GOATs in the time that match was played for exemple after RG21 for nole.
 
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GoatNo1 said:
rafa was never overall GOAT so he has probable most wins vs GOATs. and question is if that means GOATs in making, future GOATs or ex GOATs or the GOATs in the time that match was played for exemple after RG21 for nole.
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wins over those players at any point of the career
 
Turning Pro said:
Nadal has the most wins against World no.1's.

23.

30% ahead of Djokovic.

Nadal has the most wins against the big 3 at slams.

Let's GO!!

Wooooooooooooo.
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it is little bit difficult for nole to win over no1 player because he was the no1 player for most time in his career. it is much easier to rafa. rafa was 209 weeks no1 and nole was 209+209+10 weeks no1. if you want to compare fairly you should take wins over highest possible ranked opponent, so no2 to no1 player and no1 to all other players. if i remember correctly rafa has only 2 wins vs no2 when he was no1 and nole has 16, i think that it is as much as he has also 16 vs no1 and nole has most wins vs highest possible ranked players! so another record!

and nole played rafa 10 times at RG (rafas clearly best and fed and noles worst slam) and fed did it 6 times while rafa was busy losing to 100+ ranked players at W and played nole only twice at AO (noles best and his worst slam) and never played fed at USO.
 
GoatNo1 said:
it is little bit difficult for nole to win over no1 player because he was the no1 player for most time in his career. it is much easier to rafa. rafa was 209 weeks no1 and nole was 209+209+10 weeks no1. if you want to compare fairly you should take wins over highest possible ranked opponent, so no2 to no1 player and no1 to all other players. if i remember correctly rafa has only 2 wins vs no2 when he was no1 and nole has 16, i think that it is as much as he has also 16 vs no1 and nole has most wins vs highest possible ranked players! so another record!

and nole played rafa 10 times at RG (rafas clearly best and fed and noles worst slam) and fed did it 6 times while rafa was busy losing to 100+ ranked players at W and played nole only twice at AO (noles best and his worst slam) and never played fed at USO.
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Huh?

He won his first masters and made his first GS final in 2007 and followed up back to back HC slam finals and won the Ao 2008.

So 2007/08-2025- , he's had opportunties to beat the best players in the world.

If we take that he turned pro in 2003, he's had 22 years of opportunities AND COUNTING......

Hahahahahhaa.
 
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Would be hard to beat Rosewall in the first category, who played a f***ton of pro tour matches against both Laver and Gonzales despite having losing H2Hs against both.
 
junkieballer said:
Most matches won against GOATs (Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic):

Djokovic 58
Nadal 53
Federer 40
Murray 29
Laver 26
Connors 18
Agassi 17
Rosewall, Borg, McEnroe, Becker 7
Edberg, Sinner 6
Lendl, Alcaraz 5
Wilander 1
Sampras 0


Most matches won against ATGs (GOATs + Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Murray, Alcaraz, Sinner):

Lendl 93
Djokovic 92
Nadal 77
Becker 67
Federer 62
McEnroe 60
Edberg 54
Sampras 52
Agassi 44
Connors 38
Borg 36
Wilander 35
Murray 31
Laver 26
Alcaraz 16
Sinner 13
Rosewall 8

Djokovic has the most wins over GOATs and is two wins away from having the most wins over ATGs.
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Murray's inclusion on the ATG list is astonishingly ridiculous and is one of the reasons why Novak's numbers are inflated also adding wins against older and injuried versions of Fedal.
Just put the fries in the bag mate.
 
Fabrivitx said:
Murray's inclusion on the ATG list is astonishingly ridiculous and is one of the reasons why Novak's numbers are inflated also adding wins against older and injuried versions of Fedal.
Just put the fries in the bag mate.
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Fries in the bag?

Moms basement and his wheelchair spring to mind, claiming off the state.
 
Mustard said:
Rafa lives in your heads rent free :laughing:
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I did say RG2022 QF would destroy that fanbase...i have been proven right, albeit even i didnt anticipate such prolonged butthurt lol.

Sadly this is what happens when you elevate a match to a GOAT play off in the arrogant belief your guy will win only to then witness a total beatdown of your player. It is alas sould crushing as we are and have been seeing.
 
messiahrobins said:
I did say RG2022 QF would destroy that fanbase...i have been proven right, albeit even i didnt anticipate such prolonged butthurt lol.

Sadly this is what happens when you elevate a match to a GOAT play off in the arrogant belief your guy will win only to then witness a total beatdown of your player. It is alas sould crushing as we are and have been seeing.
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Mate, nobody cares about that match, ask any Djokovic fan for 5 matches he lost they would turn the result for and it isn't mentioned ONCE.
 
junkieballer said:
Most matches won against GOATs (Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic):

Djokovic 58
Nadal 53
Federer 40
Murray 29
Laver 26
Connors 18
Agassi 17
Rosewall, Borg, McEnroe, Becker 7
Edberg, Sinner 6
Lendl, Alcaraz 5
Wilander 1
Sampras 0


Most matches won against ATGs (GOATs + Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Murray, Alcaraz, Sinner):

Lendl 93
Djokovic 92
Nadal 77
Becker 67
Federer 62
McEnroe 60
Edberg 54
Sampras 52
Agassi 44
Connors 38
Borg 36
Wilander 35
Murray 31
Laver 26
Alcaraz 16
Sinner 13
Rosewall 8

Djokovic has the most wins over GOATs and is two wins away from having the most wins over ATGs.
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What does this look like for beating GOATs five years younger than you and/or ATGs five years younger than you?
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Mate, nobody cares about that match, ask any Djokovic fan for 5 matches he lost they would turn the result for and it isn't mentioned ONCE.
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It was a very important match, for any fan. If Djoko won, he would have cemented himself as the better clay court player towards the end of Nadal's career. And undoubtedly if he won that match he was secure for the RG title. Instead Nadal remained the better clay courter all the way until his gap in 2023, during which he was effectively retired and not a relevant ATP player.
 
Fabrivitx said:
Murray's inclusion on the ATG list is astonishingly ridiculous and is one of the reasons why Novak's numbers are inflated also adding wins against older and injuried versions of Fedal.
Just put the fries in the bag mate.
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Look at the first list, Murray is the fifth player with the most wins of all times over GOATs. That's an ATG-worthy achievement
 
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messiahrobins said:
I did say RG2022 QF would destroy that fanbase...i have been proven right, albeit even i didnt anticipate such prolonged butthurt lol.

Sadly this is what happens when you elevate a match to a GOAT play off in the arrogant belief your guy will win only to then witness a total beatdown of your player. It is alas sould crushing as we are and have been seeing.
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It was epic AF :D

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aldeayeah said:
Also including Murray/Sinner and not Newcombe/Vilas/Courier is a peculiar choice.
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Murray has 29 wins over GOATs, 5th most of all times, and he was the best player outside GOATs in 14-17 Slams:

2008 us open
2010 australian open
2011 australian open
2011 roland garros
tied 2011 wimbledon
2011 us open
2012 australian open
2012 wimbledon
2012 us open
2013 australian open
2013 wimbledon
tied 2014 french open
2015 australian open
tied 2015 wimbledon
2016 australian open
2016 french open
2016 wimbledon

These are ATG level results.

Sinner is ATG in the makings.
 
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junkieballer said:
Murray has 29 wins over GOATs, 4th most of all times, and he was the best player outside GOATs in 14-17 Slams:

2008 us open
2010 australian open
2011 australian open
2011 roland garros
tied 2011 wimbledon
2011 us open
2012 australian open
2012 wimbledon
2012 us open
2013 australian open
2013 wimbledon
tied 2014 french open
2015 australian open
tied 2015 wimbledon
2016 australian open
2016 french open
2016 wimbledon

These are ATG level results.

Sinner is ATG in the makings.
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He had a relatively short period of dominance, and this was during Fedal's drought years. Doubt he could handle any other period as well, regardless if Fed, Rafa, or Nole is currently dominating.
 
aldeayeah said:
If you're going to start adding pre-OE players, you're missing a ton of people
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I will add only those that played in the Open Era: Emerson and Gonzales.

But not sure if Emerson Is AN ATG, he got dominated pretty badly in the Open Era despite not being too old at 32. Gimeno dominated him 11-3 in 1968-70.

EDIT: added Pancho but not Emerson
 
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messiahrobins said:
The professionals seem to disagree lol.
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rafa never had any consensus of being the GOAT. the fact is that most people still see fed as the greater despite 2 less slams! so rafa never was seen as the greater player than fed. mostly to relative poor o1 record and no WTFs and that fed is greater on 2 out of 3 surfaces. i personally think as borg, that they are about even. but in all main polls that are not done in spain (there he is 2nd) rafa is distant 3rd. with only single digit support as the GOAT while fed is on 20-25%. nole is over 70%. so fed has still more than twice as big support as rafa, so no, he was never seen as the GOAT. not even when he had slam lead by vulturing AO22. and even in the big polls from that time he was not at the top!
 
I really dont see the point in all these threads.

Djokovic leads the slam race, has OG, several YECs and a billion masters. Say no more.
 
GoatNo1 said:
rafa never had any consensus of being the GOAT. the fact is that most people still see fed as the greater despite 2 less slams! so rafa never was seen as the greater player than fed. mostly to relative poor o1 record and no WTFs and that fed is greater on 2 out of 3 surfaces. i personally think as borg, that they are about even. but in all main polls that are not done in spain (there he is 2nd) rafa is distant 3rd. with only single digit support as the GOAT while fed is on 20-25%. nole is over 70%. so fed has still more than twice as big support as rafa, so no, he was never seen as the GOAT. not even when he had slam lead by vulturing AO22. and even in the big polls from that time he was not at the top!
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Polls are notorious for being wrong, especially American ones in 2016 and 2020.
 
4UTRMoutet said:
Polls are notorious for being wrong, especially American ones in 2016 and 2020.
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Not experts not any forum not ex players or players concesus. Because he was not. Even with 2 more slams over nole he had a lot lesser weeks at no1, 2 lesser YE#1, less masters, no WTS vs 6, negative h2h. 2 slams is to little to overshedow all that. And fed is still seen as greater player by most.
 
junkieballer said:
Most matches won against GOATs (Gonzales, Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic):

Djokovic 58
Nadal 53
Federer 40
Laver 37
Murray 29
Connors 20
Rosewall, Agassi 17
Gonzales 9
Borg, McEnroe, Becker 7
Edberg, Sinner 6
Lendl, Alcaraz 5
Wilander 1
Sampras 0


Most matches won against ATGs (GOATs + Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Agassi, Murray, Alcaraz, Sinner):

Lendl 93
Djokovic 92
Nadal 77
Becker 67
Federer 62
McEnroe 60
Edberg 54
Sampras 52
Agassi 44
Connors 40
Borg 36
Wilander 35
Laver 37
Murray 31
Rosewall 18
Alcaraz 16
Sinner 13
Gonzales 11

Djokovic has the most wins over GOATs and is two wins away from having the most wins over ATGs.
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How dare anti-Djoko question his credentials? This list should be handy, when anyone question his credibility.

Of Nadal's 53, were more than half at RG?

Wawrinka should be included in ATG's, so Djokovic would be tops of both lists!

How could Lendl be 7 have one, and 93 in the other?
 
SonnyT said:
How dare anti-Djoko question his credentials? This list should be handy, when anyone question his credibility.

Of Nadal's 53, were more than half at RG?

Wawrinka should be included in ATG's, so Djokovic would be tops of both lists!

How could Lendl be 7 have one, and 93 in the other?
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Curious case of Ivan lendel only 7 wins over GOAT LEVEL PLAYERS while 86 wins over ATG LEVEL PLAYERS.
 
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