Djokovic has won half his slam titles in 2011

Forehand Of Doom

Forehand Of Doom

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Does anybody else find this interesting? He has been a pro for 10 years, yet he won half of his slams in a 9 month period in 2011. He obviously had a great season. But still. Has he underperformed since then? 2011 was supposed to be his breakthrough year, bur results since then have been relatively lackluster.
 
Forehand Of Doom said:
Does anybody else find this interesting? He has been a pro for 10 years, yet he won half of his slams in a 9 month period in 2011. He obviously had a great season. But still. Has he underperformed since then? 2011 was supposed to be his breakthrough year, bur results since then have been relatively lackluster.
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It's because Vajada is not as good as Toni at breaking rules.
 
Nadal has been consistent since the very beginning. 1 grand slam every year since 2005.

Djokovic on the other hand suddenly becomes unbeatable in 2011, then 2012 back to normal again ... way more suspicious IMO .... EGG maybe ?
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Djokovic was playing in 2005 ? Can't remember these tournaments to be honest :)
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You know exactly what I mean. :lol:
But just in case other people don't, reminder to everyone that in a span of few weeks in 2005 Nadal went from being unable to play well more than 3 sets on hard courts (Nadal lost 6-3 6-1 last two sets in the final because he was tired) to being able to play 4 and then 5 setter epics on clay which means longer points.

That right there is perfect example of PEDs since you cannot suddenly become so much fitter in few weeks in the middle of busy season. At least in 2011 Novak came from an off season break and with new diet. Toni decided Nadal needs "new diet" as well after he saw him run out of energy in Miami :lol:
 
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tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Nadal has been consistent since the very beginning. 1 grand slam every year since 2005.

Djokovic on the other hand suddenly becomes unbeatable in 2011, then 2012 back to normal again ... way more suspicious IMO .... EGG maybe ?
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Did you see the level that Djokovic played at that year? It was obvious that he'd have a letdown the next year.And let's face it how many players out there would still love to have had the kind of year Novak had in 2012? My guess is nearly all of them would.
 
Joker has an egg and either borderline legal methods to get rid of asthma and become fitter then Nadal...
 
I wasn't thinking at all about PED accusations. Let's please forget about that as it leads nowhere and it's all speculations. Lack of motivation? Mental burnout?
 
Nah, what's really suspicious is that Delpo won 100% of his grand slams in 2009. And Roddick won 100% of his in 2003. What are they hiding?!
 
Forehand Of Doom said:
I wasn't thinking at all about PED accusations. Let's please forget about that as it leads nowhere and it's all speculations. Lack of motivation? Mental burnout?
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I think he was burned out after 2011 USO:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx?t=pa&y=2011&m=s&e=0#

If you look at his end of the 2011 activity he was losing to everyone after USO. Clear burnout. Then he started 2012 by playing ridiculous 6 hour AO final which probably messed him up again.
 
dudeski said:
2005 Miami final to 2005 MC final to 2005 Rome final fitness improvements?
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I think the Miami heat and Nadal's continuing experience had something to do with that. A lot of the 2005 Monte Carlo final was played in a slight drizzle, which was annoying Coria, who wanted play stopped.
 
Mustard said:
I think the Miami heat and Nadal's continuing experience had something to do with that. A lot of the 2005 Monte Carlo final was played in a slight drizzle, which was annoying Coria, who wanted play stopped.
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Maybe. But doesn't explain 5 hour plus Rome final which was much longer than Miami final and with much longer points and against peak Coria. Look at Nadal's activity that year after Miaimi:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=pa&y=2005&m=s&e=0#

Miami followed by Valencia followed by MC followed by Barcelona followed by Rome. There was almost no time off to work on his fitness. If we are gonna start accusing Novak of cheating maybe we should all first look at what happened to Nadal during Spring of 2005.
 
dudeski said:
You know exactly what I mean. :lol:
But just in case other people don't, reminder to everyone that in a span of few weeks in 2005 Nadal went from being unable to play well more than 3 sets on hard courts (Nadal lost 6-3 6-1 last two sets in the final because he was tired) to being able to play 4 and then 5 setter epics on clay which means longer points.

That right there is perfect example of PEDs since you cannot suddenly become so much fitter in few weeks in the middle of busy season. At least in 2011 Novak came from an off season break and with new diet. Toni decided Nadal needs "new diet" as well after he saw him run out of energy in Miami :lol:
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So much BS. Nadal has always had excellent stamina. He lost that match because he choked and Federer started playing better. It was against Coria, in Monte Carlo and Rome (the latter stages) were Nadal's tiredness was visible.
 
papertank said:
Nah, what's really suspicious is that Delpo won 100% of his grand slams in 2009. And Roddick won 100% of his in 2003. What are they hiding?!
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This made me laugh.

First, this is not intended to be a PED thread, honestly! It's sadly turned into that.

Also, 1 slam win can be written off as an anomaly. 3 slams in a year is completely different.
 
Forehand Of Doom said:
I wasn't thinking at all about PED accusations. Let's please forget about that as it leads nowhere and it's all speculations. Lack of motivation? Mental burnout?
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Mental burnout most likely.

Although I don't know wtf happened to Nole in the 2013 Wimbledon final, he was absolutely non existent and played a atrocious match. I still can't figure out the cause for that.
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Nadal has been consistent since the very beginning. 1 grand slam every year since 2005.

Djokovic on the other hand suddenly becomes unbeatable in 2011, then 2012 back to normal again ... way more suspicious IMO .... EGG maybe ?
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LOL....Nadal also made an unbelievable comeback after career threatening injury. But that does not mean he is taking PEDs. Djokovic's 2012 consisted of 1 GS, 1 WTF, 2 GS finals, 3 MS. How is it lacklustre? Also, it could have been possible that he would have lost USO 11 SF. And if you are talking about streaks. 2013 had 2 streaks of more than 20.ESPN should hire some of the Keyboard analysts of TW. Maybe it will help them raise TRPs by adding spice with their laughable speculations and conspiracy theories. :lol:

Wim said:
Hm... Who believe that a gluten free diet can make such a big change?
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It won't for a normal person. But for a person with asthama and gluten related allergies. It definitely would. Tommy haas is also adhering to gluten free diet recently due to his allergies . You can ask swordtennis for more. He had some experience related to gluten allergies.
 
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Incognito said:
So much BS. Nadal has always had excellent stamina. He lost that match because he choked and Federer started playing better. It was against Coria, in Monte Carlo and Rome (the latter stages) were Nadal's tiredness was visible.
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I see so it's only Djokovic who is cheating but Nadal is all clean. Got it.
 
FreeBird said:
LOL....Nadal also made an unbelievable comeback after career threatening injury. But that does not mean he is taking PEDs. Djokovic's 2012 consisted of 1 GS, 1 WTF, 2 GS finals, 3 MS. How is it lacklustre? Also, it could have been possible that he would have lost USO 11 SF. And if you are talking about streaks. 2013 had 2 streaks of more than 20.ESPN should hire some of the Keyboard analysts of TW. Maybe it will help them raise TRPs by adding spice with their laughable speculations and conspiracy theories. :lol:
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Lacklustre in term of slam titles. You don't agree? Djokovic has about half the slams Borg has.
 
djokovic keeps reaching major finals but then not winning..

not winning major finals will reduce his chances of winning majors by quite a lot.
 
Forehand Of Doom said:
Lacklustre in term of slam titles. You don't agree? Djokovic has about half the slams Borg has.
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But it was not like he won 1 title and lost in 1st round of others. If things would have turned out his way, it could have been a 2 or 3 GS year. He lost to Murray in a close final under wind.

Lack of motivation is another thing. Once you get one thing that you had long for your whole life, it becomes difficult to remain motivated. See Murray at USO. Djokovic got back to No.2 and that ignited the fire.
 
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Forehand Of Doom said:
Does anybody else find this interesting? He has been a pro for 10 years, yet he won half of his slams in a 9 month period in 2011. He obviously had a great season. But still. Has he underperformed since then? 2011 was supposed to be his breakthrough year, bur results since then have been relatively lackluster.
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I don't really think it is all that interesting personally. He had a great year in 2011 and has played well but come up short in a few majors since then. The fact that he won half his slams in a 1 year period doesn't mean anything to me personally. He probably still has more slams left to win.
 
Is everybody who plays tennis lackluster?

Forehand Of Doom said:
Does anybody else find this interesting? He has been a pro for 10 years, yet he won half of his slams in a 9 month period in 2011. He obviously had a great season. But still. Has he underperformed since then? 2011 was supposed to be his breakthrough year, bur results since then have been relatively lackluster.
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Since 2011, how has he gone?

Finished 2012 as number 1 in the world.

2013? He was number 1 for 10 out of 11 months of the season.

Question: If the number 1 in the world is lackluster - what does that make all of the other tennis players in the world?

Now I understand what you are saying is a relative statement compared to 2011 but still he was number 1 in 2012 and most of 2013 for a reason correct? The way he finished 2013 post-US open was nothing short of incredible.
 
Can't wait for 2014. The Phoenix will rise from the ashes again and eradicate that rodent smell which has been infesting Tennis lately :D
 
He went above his normal level in 2011. He's had great 2 years in 2012 and 2013 since. Let's see if he wins a slam in 2014.
 
Solo said:
Can't wait for 2014. The Phoenix will rise from the ashes again and eradicate that rodent smell which has been infesting Tennis lately :D
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Doubt Murray will be a factor at AO. Give him time...hopefully by Miami, he'd be back to torment Djokovic and others.
 
timnz said:
Since 2011, how has he gone?

Finished 2012 as number 1 in the world.

2013? He was number 1 for 10 out of 11 months of the season.

Question: If the number 1 in the world is lackluster - what does that make all of the other tennis players in the world?

Now I understand what you are saying is a relative statement compared to 2011 but still he was number 1 in 2012 and most of 2013 for a reason correct? The way he finished 2013 post-US open was nothing short of incredible.
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So many great things about this post!:)
 
timnz said:
Since 2011, how has he gone?

Finished 2012 as number 1 in the world.

2013? He was number 1 for 10 out of 11 months of the season.

Question: If the number 1 in the world is lackluster - what does that make all of the other tennis players in the world?

Now I understand what you are saying is a relative statement compared to 2011 but still he was number 1 in 2012 and most of 2013 for a reason correct? The way he finished 2013 post-US open was nothing short of incredible.
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You don't become a legend with SF streaks and Year End #1, sorry. Slam titles is the measure of the best tennis players. And in that sense, Djokovic has been a little bit lackluster after 2011.
 
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