Djokovic hasn't reached his PRIME yet!!

[djokovic2008]

Novak has worked so hard to be so well rounded, and thus he is the most complete player in a very long time. I wish he would use the net more though, and you don't see him S&V often at all. Next year he is only going to feel more confident, however IMO I think he understands that with Federer and Nadal out there he could lose all of his lives work at any time.

Federer and Nadal want blood!

With nadal and fed who stand in his way, yes they are hard but he knows how to beat them he's done it 10 times between the both of them this year. Fed was a bit harder but Novak would taking the vada about it and I'm sure he knows were he goes wrong against fed, if he just goes abit more aggressive against fed he gets good results when he goes defensive against fed it's the worst option. He can do that vs nadal but it's a different match up.
But if these two are what's standing in his way to greatness then it's not a mountain he has too climb as he has shown he can beat both how would you feel if all you had to do is beat guys you have already beat multiple times this year to go down in history??

 

[Towser83]

Completely illogical!

Why is it illogical? You claim things but don't back them up with anything.

When was the last time a slam was won by someone other than Federer, Nadal or Djokovic? US Open 2009 by Del Potro. Ok, he's outside the top 5 and is a slam winner, but last year he was gone and this year he is not a huge contender (even if he is he's played Nadal and Djokovic in slams which didn't happen at any time last year of course)

Who was the last before outside Fed, Nadal and Djokovic to win a slam? Safin 2005 AO I believe.

Out of the last 32 majors, only 3 have been won by someone other than Fed, Nadal or Djokovic.

And last year they met eachother a lot less than this year because they got beaten earlier by players who will most likely not win slams. Sorry but it's utter logic.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Why is it illogical? You claim things but don't back them up with anything.

What do you mean? He backs up everything with his feelings When its really important he records it on his DVR LOLLLLLLL.

 

[Towser83]

Quoted for truth. LOL, I feel that Nadal is not at his best therefore it is sooo, LOLLL. These ****s are ridiculous.

Thanks. Yeah when Federer was winning people questioned who he played "Oh he didn't have competition like Djokovic and Nadal and Murray and Del Potro" etc, but now Djokovic is killing a field of top players, all of a sudden it's "yes they are top players, but they're not playing well" :lol:

Last year Nadal was getting credit for ruling a field apparently much stronger than the one Federer ruled, because it was DJOKOVIC! FEDERER! MURRAY! even though, Fed played like crap after the AO, Djokovic played crap all year and served 20 double faults a match for a large part of it, Murray played like crap after the AO and Delpo was injured. Now when these guys are actually meeting eachother much more, it's a weak field? Based on what? Top players contesting semis and finals... er sounds strong to me

What do you mean? He backs up everything with his feelings When its really important he records it on his DVR LOLLLLLLL.

:lol:

 

[Towser83]

I don't care if Nadal did win everyhting this year, it still wouldn't negate that he is playing worse this year vs last year!!!

Some of you need to invest in technology! A DVR can do wonders!

The fact that you mention Muller and Roddick as some major hurdle a top player has to get passed should show you how weak your argument is! Even Murray is certainly not playing as well as we have seen from him in the past!

Yes Murray was much better when he was losing to Wawrinka and Cilic and Berdych and Gonzalez and not making the semis of all 4 majors and not taking a set off Nadal on grass, and not almost beating Djokovic on clay...

This is the most consistant slam year Murray has had. His other results have been mixed, but last year he played very badly most of the year.

 

[ALL IN]

Nole's fans and Nadal's fans are so difference. They say a 25 yrs old Nadal has declined drastically, but a 24 yrs old Nole hasn't reach his prime.

Then they say a 30 yrs old Roger is still in his prime.

You think Rog can't win another slam? When he does it will be with both Novak and Rafa in their respective primes. Rog's style will allow him to be effective for years to come. Let's not forget that he is one of the few players who actually enjoys being on tour.

 

[aphex]

Novak has worked so hard to be so well rounded, and thus he is the most complete player in a very long time. I wish he would use the net more though, and you don't see him S&V often at all. Next year he is only going to feel more confident, however IMO I think he understands that with Federer and Nadal out there he could lose all of his lives work at any time.

Federer and Nadal want blood!

Lol....Jpile the gloryhunter...once Ralph started getting pwned, he jumped ship to Djokoland...too funny

 

[bullfan]

One would think Novak is in his prime, but that really can only be determined after the fact, after his career. At his point, it's easy to see what Roger's prime was, while Rafa is loosey goosey, with they way his career has gone. But it's too early to tell about both Novak and Rafa as to their prime.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Lol....Jpile the gloryhunter...once Ralph started getting pwned, he jumped ship to Djokoland...too funny

Nah, he's a ********* through and through. He's just trying to become more zagor-like. It's so transparent.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

One would think Novak is in his prime, but that really can only be determined after the fact, after his career. At his point, it's easy to see what Roger's prime was, while Rafa is loosey goosey, with they way his career has gone. But it's too early to tell about both Novak and Rafa as to their prime.

Somebody is going to win the Shanghai Master's tourney, but we'll have to wait and see until it's completed to see who the winner is.

 

[aphex]

One would think Novak is in his prime, but that really can only be determined after the fact, after his career. At his point, it's easy to see what Roger's prime was, while Rafa is loosey goosey, with they way his career has gone. But it's too early to tell about both Novak and Rafa as to their prime.

I think Rafa's prime started in Indian Wells 2011...

 

[bullfan]

I think Rafa's prime started in Indian Wells 2011...

Are you mocking, since Rafa didn't look good at Indian Wells?

 

[aphex]

Are you mocking, since Rafa didn't look good at Indian Wells?

He managed to take prime Nole to 3...Only prime Rafa can take sets off prime Nole...

 

[bullfan]

He managed to take prime Nole to 3...Only prime Rafa can take sets off prime Nole...

Ahem, what about Roger beating Novak at FO this year or Fed taking 2 off of Novak at US Open before going down in 5?

 

[aphex]

Ahem, what about Roger beating Novak at FO this year or Fed taking 2 off of Novak at US Open before going down in 5?

I said prime Rafa, not grandpa Fed.

 

[zagor]

This thread has nothing to do with that at all, and I don't see any posts referencing such things.

Oh but we all know you see only what you want to see, don't we Nardie?

I see a lot of angry Federer fans though.

Nope, these days Novak is way more bashed by Nadal fans, you need just hop into a recent DC Serbia-Argentina thread (just a recent example) and have a looksie but we all know you want do that because you're:

a) A ****
b) It wouldn't suit your agenda so you pretend to overlook it.

If anything most Fed fans seem to like Novak these days because he's beating Nadal so often ( and giving Nards a taste of their own medicine as a consequence).


PS. You aren't fooling anyone with that avatar.....****.

 

[zagor]

Regarding Novak's prime, it's hard to say.

I would say his prime started in 2008 when he won his 1st slam but then again I believe his level of play in 2007 is much better than what he showed in 2009/2010 (his serve was just terrible in those years).

So let's say his prime years were 2007 and 2008 and 2011 is the start of his peak (when he finally put it all together), it remains to be seen how long his peak level of play is gonna last.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

Novak was not at his peak in every loss to Nadal.

 

[1970CRBase]

my guess only is that Djok is coming into his prime but not yet at his peak yet. I also think that his 2011 year should have begun in 2010 (in addition to his 2011), if he hadn't spent that time with Martin.

 

[jackson vile]

Novak best class, love? You guys know how it goes...

 

[djokovic2008]

The question remains has djoker reached his prime yet or is there even more to come.

 

[Dilettante]

Actually OP does have a point and prime is indeed relative.

Agree Nole has not faced peak Federer but he has faced peak Nadal as the data prove.

In almost consecutive posts.

Now talk about inconsistency in the argument.

 

[5555]

There is a difference between prime and peak. I'd say Djokovic's peak is 2011, while his prime is 2007-2015.

 

[TMF]

There is a difference between prime and peak. I'd say Djokovic's peak is 2011, while his prime is 2007-2015.

Yes, prime Nole started in 2007. He was good enough to make the slam final, and was consistently being ranked #3 from 07-09. The problem is Todd Martin screwed up his game and his serve technique in 2010, and since he completely turn it around in 2011 led people to believe his prime started in 2011.

 

[DeShaun]

This year's Nole has not faced a peak Nadal or a peak Federer!

I disagree. Rafa looked to be peaking during the AO final last month. His intensity levels were extremely high. He was slapping forehands silly from the semis onward. He looked to be endingpoints on his racket more aggressively than in years.

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

In almost consecutive posts.

Now talk about inconsistency in the argument.

Sorry but I don't see the inconsistency. Roger's and Rafa's primes have been equated to numbers. They have been established through the data.

Novak could still get better so one can't speak about his absolute level yet.

 

[djokovic2008]

Thanks I hope cup8489 clarky21 biscutmiguson apex and the rest are reading this very closely.

 

[Clarky21]

Thanks I hope cup8489 clarky21 biscutmiguson apex and the rest are reading this very closely.

:lol: If you actually believe that FrankenCvac isn't in his prime I've got a bridge to sell you.

Oh,and Jackson Vile is a notorious bandwagoner,and as soon as FrankenCvac cools off he will jump onto the next one. He was riding all over Nadal before he starting riding Norman. :lol:

 

[jackson vile]

:lol: If you actually believe that FrankenCvac isn't in his prime I've got a bridge to sell you.

Oh,and Jackson Vile is a notorious bandwagoner,and as soon as FrankenCvac cools off he will jump onto the next one. He was riding all over Nadal before he starting riding Norman. :lol:

I have been touting Novak since 2007, Rogers Cup in Montreal he defeated the worlds #3,2,1 all in a row.

I enjoy all of the tennis players really, hell even like Soderling a lot.

 

[djokovic2008]

djoker has not reached his PEAK YET!!!

:lol: If you actually believe that FrankenCvac isn't in his prime I've got a bridge to sell you.

Oh,and Jackson Vile is a notorious bandwagoner,and as soon as FrankenCvac cools off he will jump onto the next one. He was riding all over Nadal before he starting riding Norman. :lol:

No there's more to come, remember I said it.

 

[djokovic2008]

I have been touting Novak since 2007, Rogers Cup in Montreal he defeated the worlds #3,2,1 all in a row.

I enjoy all of the tennis players really, hell even like Soderling a lot.

Judging by your profile pic I believe you as that was taken in baby djoker days.

 

[Limpinhitter]

Yes he has! The question is, how long will it last?

 

[djokovic2008]

Yes he has! The question is, how long will it last?

I would say at least 3-4 more years he is hungry maybe greedy for success.

 

[DRII]

I disagree. Rafa looked to be peaking during the AO final last month. His intensity levels were extremely high. He was slapping forehands silly from the semis onward. He looked to be endingpoints on his racket more aggressively than in years.

You actually think: a Nadal that hits his second serve with less pace and direction than Kivitova, is at peak ???

 

[DjokovicForTheWin]

You actually think: a Nadal that hits his second serve with less pace and direction than Kivitova, is at peak ???

Most people with any sensibility do.

 

[zagor]

Judging by your profile pic I believe you as that was taken in baby djoker days.

Interesting...

 

[DRII]

Most people with any sensibility do.

right, sensibility towards insanity or delusion!!!

 

[oberyn]

I don't see how one can argue that Djokovic hasn't yet reached his prime, given his age, number of years on tour, etc. He's not a late-bloomer physically. It didn't take him a relatively long time to break through in terms of making it deep in big tournaments or winning big tournaments.

I think the only issue is whether or not we've seen him reach his peak level of play. If we haven't, that's a frightening prospect as far as the rest of the tour is concerned given how well he's been playing the last 12+ months.

ETA: Apologies in advance for not flaming other posters, referring to anyone as a "****", or badmouthing other players besides the one being discussed and/or their fanbases in attempting to make my point.

 

[kragster]

Djoker hasn't even reached his pre-prime yet.

He is well on his way to 47 slams. All you haters can keep hating.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Djoker hasn't even reached his pre-prime yet.

He is well on his way to 47 slams. All you haters can keep hating.

WTF???

47 is way too many. I think 44 is entirely reasonable, though.

 

[kragster]

WTF???

47 is way too many. I think 44 is entirely reasonable, though.

That's ridiculous, there is no reason he can't get to 47. 44 is just wishful thinking by you because you are a hater.

Look at it this way. Right now he has 5. He should have no problem winning at least 3 a year for the next 10 years, a conservative estimate. That puts him at 35. then he can win 2 a year for 5 years after that. That puts him at 45. Plus 2 more post prime slams like Sampras.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

That's ridiculous, there is no reason he can't get to 47. 44 is just wishful thinking by you because you are a hater.

Look at it this way. Right now he has 5. He should have no problem winning at least 3 a year for the next 10 years, a conservative estimate. That puts him at 35. then he can win 2 a year for 5 years after that. That puts him at 45. Plus 2 more post prime slams like Sampras.

At first I thought you were living in lala land, but truly you have made me see the error of my ways. I had forgotten to consider that after his main period of dominance that his decline wouldn't be so steep, and I must admit that thinking in this way was just wishful thinking on my part. Sometimes it's hard to purge the confirmation bias out of one's system and I was certainly guilty of it here. After careful reconsideration over a number of days on this subject, I'm now aligning with your own prediction.

I just want to apologise though with utmost sincerity.

Yours with dignity,

Nathaniel

 

[bluetrain4]

I actually think he's at his prime right now. It very well may continue for a few more years, but I don't expect any huge improvement in his game. And, as winner of 4 of the last 5 slams, does it really have to improve at all?

We're at the point with Djoker that we were with Nadal. Remember 2009-2010, when Nadal was dominant and there were murmerings of 20+ Slams.

Same thing will happen with Djoker. No doubt, he's gonna win more Slams in the coming years, but he'll eventually drop off just enough to not be so dominant. I know, right now it seems like a ridiculous notion, but after all the talk of Roger winning 20+ Slams and being dominant for years and years to come, and then the same thing with Nadal, I see nothing different about Djoker's situation. He's going to win a LOT, but people always think that the dominance will never end. It always does.

 

[djokovic2008]

I don't see how one can argue that Djokovic hasn't yet reached his prime, given his age, number of years on tour, etc. He's not a late-bloomer physically. It didn't take him a relatively long time to break through in terms of making it deep in big tournaments or winning big tournaments.

I think the only issue is whether or not we've seen him reach his peak level of play. If we haven't, that's a frightening prospect as far as the rest of the tour is concerned given how well he's been playing the last 12+ months.

ETA: Apologies in advance for not flaming other posters, referring to anyone as a "****", or badmouthing other players besides the one being discussed and/or their fanbases in attempting to make my point.

Actually you have a point, I should change this thread to djoker has not reached his peak yet as I guess going by his age he is in his prime. The fact remains is there more to come?

P.s sensible suggestions

 

[Cup8489]

Judging by your profile pic I believe you as that was taken in baby djoker days.

nope, LOLvile was definitely a ******* up until late 2010.

 

[Cup8489]

That's ridiculous, there is no reason he can't get to 47. 44 is just wishful thinking by you because you are a hater.

Look at it this way. Right now he has 5. He should have no problem winning at least 3 a year for the next 10 years, a conservative estimate. That puts him at 35. then he can win 2 a year for 5 years after that. That puts him at 45. Plus 2 more post prime slams like Sampras.

3 a year? You must be Djoking.

He's so good that they'll invent 18 more majors next year, and seeing as how he will win all of them, 3 times a year.. I think a more reasonable and conservative estimate would be roughly 14 Double CYGS's, 237479 total majors, 84 years at number 1 (he will die world number 1, maybe even world number Alpha, the new ranking invented specifically for him), and Tennis will officially cease to exist upon the death of Novak von Djokovic-Alphamale.

 

[Clarky21]

3 a year? You must be Djoking.

He's so good that they'll invent 18 more majors next year, and seeing as how he will win all of them, 3 times a year.. I think a more reasonable and conservative estimate would be roughly 14 Double CYGS's, 237479 total majors, 84 years at number 1 (he will die world number 1, maybe even world number Alpha, the new ranking invented specifically for him), and Tennis will officially cease to exist upon the death of Novak von Djokovic-Alphamale.

:lol: He is Djesus afterall,you know.

 

[Totai]

Isn't Djokovic just learning to play tennis? Just wait until he gets bumped up to a 3.0! the domination will begin then

 

[djokovic2008]

:lol: He is Djesus afterall,you know.

Ok I see what's happened the haters have infected a perfectly credible thread, ah the price of success cup8489 clarky21 kragster please exit.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

It's hard for me to judge where Nole will go from here. He was on the verge of being knocked out in both the US Open and the AO. Is this the beginning of something increasingly special or has he hit his peak and it has been just about worth a few more Slams - without them being overall dominating Slam performances - and he'll begin to fall slightly from here...?