Djokovic: I play against the stadium 90 percent of the time, everyone can see that

I don't hold this against Federer, he was clearly annoyed by the distraction in the crowd and he let them have it. If umpires don't step in when they should, players do get upset.

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NoleFam said:
Yea I feel she should have said something a lot earlier. Clearly it was a distraction when they were doing it in the middle of the point.
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This is on the umpire really. She is the one in control out there, she had been hearing the same things Novak had been hearing for most of the match, she knew what the intent and purpose was, and that it was being done to hurt Novak's play out there, it should have been dealt with swiftly.
 
Hitman said:
I don't hold this against Federer, he was clearly annoyed by the distraction in the crowd and he let them have it. If umpires don't step in when they should, players do get upset.

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Yesterday the crowd was fine and it was better than 2019 which many of you complain. Letting out gasps when kudla loses a point which he should have won....i mean how is that insulting for djoker.
 
Hitman said:
This is on the umpire really. She is the one in control out there, she had been hearing the same things Novak had been hearing for most of the match, she knew what the intent and purpose was, and that it was being done to hurt Novak's play out there, it should have been dealt with swiftly.
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Exactly. Anytime someone usually yells out in a point, they say something right away but I didn't hear anything about it until the 3rd set.
 
T007 said:
Yesterday the crowd was fine and it was better than 2019 which many of you complain. Letting out gasps when kudla loses a point which he should have won....i mean how is that insulting for djoker.
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Who's complaining about the crowd in general? It was two guys who were trying to do a little more than just cheer for Novak's opponent. I don't mind who people cheer for, what I don't take too lightly is when one or two individuals try to be more sinister in their approach and attack a player.
 
Hitman said:
I don't hold this against Federer, he was clearly annoyed by the distraction in the crowd and he let them have it. If umpires don't step in when they should, players do get upset.

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Hitman, I usually agree with you, but this isn't a good comparison. Federer yelled immediately after a point, hence it was in very heat of the moment. Secondly, he yelled shut up. A bit different from telling someone to suck his dick, don't you think? Djokovic made his comment not in the heat of the moment, but as he was walking towards the net for the handshake. He was planning on it, so it's not a sudden outburst.
 
Jai said:
The last thing I need to do, is to waste my time trying to convince you of my age and when I started watching tennis. It's no secret from my posts about when I started following the game, so I'm not going to get into this crapfest with you which is plainly designed to be provocative.

If you want to discuss politely, we can. But I've found from our interaction in the previous thread too, that you make a whole lot of patronising remarks which don't sit well with me. You hold your opinion, I have mine. Stating that Wimbledon crowds are polished and genteel and never sledge is untrue - some sections definitely jeer and throw barbs.

As to your demand to answer questions you set, it is funny because when you make false statements and I prove them to be untrue, you never even accept that your statements were not founded on fact. But then you try to claim again that I should further answer some other questions you throw. Doesn't work that way.
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So I guess your response is its ok for a 32 year old no.1 and a rich and popular man to behave like he did in 2019 and yesterday. You claim you have no need to convince me yet you write long essays while replying to me 8-B. Something tells me you need my approval. So does Novak from the crowd and when he doesn't get it, yesterday's act happens. This isn't the first time he has done this and this won't be the last time he will do it. Someone who claims to know about torus fields, energy pyramids and other mumbo jumbo, he subconsciously likes negativity even though he claims he has positive thoughts
 
SardinesForDinner said:
Hitman, I usually agree with you, but this isn't a good comparison. Federer yelled immediately after a point, hence it was in very heat of the moment. Secondly, he yelled shut up. A bit different from telling someone to suck his dick, don't you think? Djokovic made his comment not in the heat of the moment, but as he was walking towards the net for the handshake. He was planning on it, so it's not a sudden outburst.
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How exactly do you quantify the heat of the moment? Isn't being involved in a match, considered the heat of the moment in general, when you're competitive juices are firing on all cylinders? We need to clear something up here, Novak was getting distracted by about two obnoxious fans from the first set, you can see at first he was being very silent but giving them stares, as if saying to stop it....but they kept at it, so naturally when you have so much on the line, you think you will allow some moron from the crowd try to impact that? The umpire should have stepped in, and you know this, if he could hear on the actual court, she can clearly hear it, and she finally did, but that was when it was the third set.

Tell me, is this the heat of the moment?

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Hitman said:
I don't hold this against Federer, he was clearly annoyed by the distraction in the crowd and he let them have it. If umpires don't step in when they should, players do get upset.

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I won't mind it if Novak does this. But he uses his own language which only means he is cursing which is later proven to be true.
 
Just acknowledging the fact it looks like. May not like it, but he generally deals with it more than well enough. No need for either side to make too much of this quote.
 
Hitman said:
How exactly do you quantify the heat of the moment? Isn't being involved in a match, considered the heat of the moment in general, when you're competitive juices are firing on all cylinders? We need to clear something up here, Novak was getting distracted by about two obnoxious fans from the first set, you can see at first he was being very silent but giving them stares, as if saying to stop it....but they kept at it, so naturally when you have so much on the line, you think you will allow some moron from the crowd try to impact that? The umpire should have stepped in, and you know this, if he could hear on the actual court, she can clearly hear it, and she finally did, but that was when it was the third set.

Tell me, is this the heat of the moment?

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Yeah, that's in direct relation to Del Potro's 10 seconds delayed challenge. Still Federer shouldn't have gone on to said those things, but he's not directly insulting someone as opposed to Djokovic.

If Djokovic was so bothered by it, why didn't he tell the umpire who could easily have called security to remove those two persons? Seems to be a better way to del about it. Djokovic also did this in a an easy third round encounter and after the match had ended - Federer was in a Slam final in a tight set at 1-1.
 
Hitman said:
He's his own man, he's been dealing it for a lot longer.

Go watch USO 2015 final and W 2019 final to see how Novak dealt with everyone wanting his blood.
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I think wanting his blood is a bit much. They wanted Federer to win, and would have treated whoever was across the net just the same.
 
That GOAT return against Federer really was perhaps the turning point in the race between the Big 3. Federer had won the match at the point and Djoker might have collapsed if things had been more chill. But young Djokovic had been playing better than FEDAL for some time and was truly a super star level player on par with FEDAL. Despite that, the crowd still howled with delight as he met his demise to golden boy Federer. In that moment he turned his hurt feelings into anger and one of the greatest FU plays in any sport ever occurred. You can literally read the story on his face, “ok, ok, that’s how it’s gonna be, I got something for all you fuks”. And he’s pretty much never looked back. It comes as ZERO surprise that he’s night and day mentally tougher than Federer considering what he’s overcome while Fed’s had sunny skies and the wind at his back.
 
Forehanderer said:
So I guess your response is its ok for a 32 year old no.1 and a rich and popular man to behave like he did in 2019 and yesterday. You claim you have no need to convince me yet you write long essays while replying to me 8-B. Something tells me you need my approval. So does Novak from the crowd and when he doesn't get it, yesterday's act happens. This isn't the first time he has done this and this won't be the last time he will do it. Someone who claims to know about torus fields, energy pyramids and other mumbo jumbo, he subconsciously likes negativity even though he claims he has positive thoughts
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Good Lord man. Read. Read. Read the posts you are replying to before making such remarks.

When I say Novak was deservedly assessed a code violation, what does it mean to you? Are you unable to understand that I agree his action was wrong and that he was duly and deservedly assessed a code violation for this?

You keep on making canard after canard, strawman after strawman, claiming I am defending his action - when I have explicitly said the above so many times. You are the one keeping on making excuses and false statements about crowd behaviour, despite proof to the contrary.

When you spin so much falsehoods and the other person points it out, your stock response is condescension. Sorry to disappoint you, needing your approval is the last thing I need. Pointing out false statements of yours is not begging for your attention. Again, this speaks to your patronising attitude, and it doesn't go well for a rational discussion. I could just as well claim immaturity and attention seeking from your side for making up inaccurate statements, have I done so? Like I said again, if you want to discuss in a civil manner, I'm all for it, but this stance is not constructive from you at all.
 
ND-13 said:
It is annoying when the crowd supports every random player who plays against Djokovic.

When was the last time Djokovic had more crowd support than his opponent at a major ? Do we have to go back to 2010 ?
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This complex his fans have is ridiculous. The Australian Open final might as well have been played in Serbia given how in his favour that crowd was. They were plenty on his side in Paris too. Nobody was booing him in the Nadal match. We got lotsa memory problems on this forum:unsure:
 
SardinesForDinner said:
Yeah, that's in direct relation to Del Potro's 10 seconds delayed challenge. Still Federer shouldn't have gone on to said those things, but he's not directly insulting someone as opposed to Djokovic.

If Djokovic was so bothered by it, why didn't he tell the umpire who could easily have called security to remove those two persons? Seems to be a better way to del about it. Djokovic also did this in a an easy third round encounter and after the match had ended - Federer was in a Slam final in a tight set at 1-1.
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I am sorry my friend, but you and I have simply very opposing views on this. Why should it be on Djokovic only to tell the umpire, the umpire could hear it, why wasn't she doing anything to stop it for the hour plus that it was going on for? Isn't that her job? Lets leave it at that.
 
Jai said:
Good Lord man. Read. Read. Read the posts you are replying to before making such remarks.

When I say Novak was deservedly assessed a code violation, what does it mean to you? Are you unable to understand that I agree his action was wrong and that he was duly and deservedly assessed a code violation for this?

You keep on making canard after canard, strawman after strawman, claiming I am defending his action - when I have explicitly said the above so many times. You are the one keeping on making excuses and false statements about crowd behaviour, despite proof to the contrary.

When you spin so much falsehoods and the other person points it out, your stock response is condescension. Sorry to disappoint you, needing your approval is the last thing I need. Pointing out false statements of yours is not begging for your attention. Again, this speaks to your patronising attitude, and it doesn't go well for a rational discussion. I could just as well claim immaturity and attention seeking from your side for making up inaccurate statements, have I done so? Like I said again, if you want to discuss in a civil manner, I'm all for it, but this stance is not constructive from you at all.
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Typing more doesn't make you rational. you're just giving into your emotions. I don't want to read an essay. Code violation doesn't make his behavior look good. I'm not just talking about W19. Yesterday's match, that match v Dimitrov in Madrid, USO linejudge getting hammered, etc. Does it look good to you since you've been following tennis since the 80s :whistle:
 
Hitman said:
I am sorry my friend, but you and I have simply very opposing views on this. Why should it be on Djokovic only to tell the umpire, the umpire could hear it, why wasn't she doing anything to stop it for the hour plus that it was going on for? Isn't that her job? Lets leave it at that.
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So just because the umpire makes a clear mistake, then it's OK for Djokovic to insult someone in that way? Sorry, two wrongs don't make one right.

If umpire doesn't act on it herself, then Djokovic should have told her to do so - that's the first step. This brings another question: considering you're arguing for Djokovic's right to tell someone to "suck his ****", where goes the line? Is there anything he shouldn't be able to say in that situation? Maybe next time he can yell that the persons mother should die since the umpire didn't do anything
 
Forehanderer said:
Typing more doesn't make you rational. you're just giving into your emotions. I don't want to read an essay. Code violation doesn't make his behavior look good. I'm not just talking about W19. Yesterday's match, that match v Dimitrov in Madrid, USO linejudge getting hammered, etc. Does it look good to you since you've been following tennis since the 80s :whistle:
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Let's drop this, we are clearly talking past each other, and I see no reason to put up with your condescension.
 
Hitman said:
I am sorry my friend, but you and I have simply very opposing views on this. Why should it be on Djokovic only to tell the umpire, the umpire could hear it, why wasn't she doing anything to stop it for the hour plus that it was going on for? Isn't that her job? Lets leave it at that.
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What is the name of the Umpire ??
 
SardinesForDinner said:
So just because the umpire makes a clear mistake, then it's OK for Djokovic to insult someone in that way? Sorry, two wrongs don't make one right.

If umpire doesn't act on it herself, then Djokovic should have told her to do so - that's the first step. This brings another question: considering you're arguing for Djokovic's right to tell someone to "suck his ****", where goes the line? Is there anything he shouldn't be able to say in that situation? Maybe next time he can yell that the persons mother should die since the umpire didn't do anything
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Hold on a second here. It's one thing that the umpire made a one time mistake, I'd be with you on that. But she continued to keep making the same mistake over and over again for over an hour and you are annoyed that Djokovic didn't tell her how to do her job? Had she realized over an hour or so earlier that these insults and heckling from this person in the crowd is negatively impacting the match, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

What Novak did of course wasn't right, but what he did was in the heat of the moment because the hinderence had impacted him almost throughtout the match. Anyways, I'm done with this convo, and off to watch the tennis. ;)
 
Jai said:
Let's drop this, we are clearly talking past each other, and I see no reason to put up with your condescension.
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Good idea. If I remember correctly, it was you who started replying to me. You find no fault with your hero. That's fine but don't pretend that you are more rational than anyone else here. We all have our biases.
 
Hitman said:
Hold on a second here. It's one thing that the umpire made a one time mistake, I'd be with you on that. But she continued to keep making the same mistake over and over again for over an hour and you are annoyed that Djokovic didn't tell her how to do her job? Had she realized over an hour or so earlier that these insults and heckling from this person in the crowd is negatively impacting the match, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

What Novak did of course wasn't right, but what he did was in the heat of the moment because the hinderence had impacted him almost throughtout the match. Anyways, I'm done with this convo, and off to watch the tennis. ;)
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The umpire continuing her mistake just makes it even more appropiate for Djokovic to alert her on her misdoing. My take on it.

Watch tennis, yes.
 
Hitman said:
Most players curse in their own language, no one tries to be politically correct when they are annoyed.
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Indians and subcontinent players do it too. Virat Kohli is the most favourite among Indians ( not my favourite ) .
Virat shouts Mother fcker Sister fcker loudly without provocation and these crowds love it .

I don't support this behaviour. But it's a lie that others players doesn't use expletives .
People wana sheet on Novak on this forum . They will lie too :D
 
maratha_warrior said:
Indians and subcontinent players do it too. Virat Kohli is the most favourite among Indians ( not my favourite ) .
Virat shouts Mother fcker Sister fcker loudly without provocation and these crowds love it .

I don't support this behaviour. But it's a lie that others players doesn't use expletives .
People wana sheet on Novak on this forum . They will lie too :D
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The cricketer's Hindi gaalis reminds me of the Harbhajan controversy, when he allegedly said "ma ki....." And Symonds thought he was calling him a monkey :-)
 
Terenigma said:
it is still really unfair that Djokovic doesn't really do anything wrong on court yet gets hated and other players such as Kyrgios do it and get praised.
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It only shows the hypocrisy of the critics.

The root cause of hate towards Novak

is that he is Serbian and he's taking Fedal off the throne,

he is a sincere and true warrior opposed to a vicious, fake posh arrogance.
 
He should not worry about what percentage of the crowd is supporting him or against him. He's a grown man, a champion and probably will the all-time slam winner. Behave like a grown man and not a cry baby, Act with some class for change. Raise your emotional IQ. Even when some idiots are being disruptive and heckling you. That's how to win over the crowd and fans.
 
Hitman said:
This is on the umpire really. She is the one in control out there, she had been hearing the same things Novak had been hearing for most of the match, she knew what the intent and purpose was, and that it was being done to hurt Novak's play out there, it should have been dealt with swiftly.
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Maybe she let it slide intentionally. She knew Novak would boil over and say something. Non-novak fans are not watching. This will make them watch again. Novak is good as a heel as everyone knows. Ask @MichaelNadal . Good TV ratings, constant threads in TTW 8-B
 
The thing is the crowd is rooting for the underdog against him. They want see as much tennis as possible and not a routing in straight sets. They aren't rooting for Djoko to lose, they are rooting for more tennis. Yesterday was a good example of that. Djoko needs to realize this sometimes. But then, what probably made novak morr mad was probably some people who said something.
 
Stefan said:
He should not worry about what percentage of the crowd is supporting him or against him. He's a grown man, a champion and probably will the all-time slam winner. Behave like a grown man and not a cry baby, Act with some class for change. Raise your emotional IQ. Even when some idiots are being disruptive and heckling you. That's how to win over the crowd and fans.
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Finally someone gets it.
 
Jai said:
The cricketer's Hindi gaalis reminds me of the Harbhajan controversy, when he allegedly said "ma ki....." And Symonds thought he was calling him a monkey :)
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True.
And I am not even sure if he said maa ki or monkey . Harbhajan has said casteist ,racist things in the past.
I won't say Symonds was wrong . Maybe he was right .
 
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ibbi said:
This complex his fans have is ridiculous. The Australian Open final might as well have been played in Serbia given how in his favour that crowd was. They were plenty on his side in Paris too. Nobody was booing him in the Nadal match. We got lotsa memory problems on this forum:unsure:
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When Djokovic plays great shots and winners, he gets the adulation. But that is not the same as support. He gets support in Australia from the crowds with Serbian flags and that happens when he does not play Federer and Nadal.

That is not the same as crowd actively rooting and cheering for Novak, May be because he wins more matches than what they like him to do.
 
People in crowds, and sporting crowds especially, sometimes think they can say or shout what they want at others. If Novak said something back to, say, some drunk or ill-mannered yobs in a raucous Wimbledon mob type of atmosphere, more power to his elbow. :)They're not sporting. It can never really be wrong to do that to such an ill-mannered or ignorant Wimbledon crowd, or indeed any crowd.

Eric Cantona sorted a yobbish London football fan out kung-fu style when he was yelling abuse at him a few years back. Not really condoning it and Monsieur Cantona was banned for a while, but when he looks back on it, I bet he's proud of himself. Bravo!
 
I don't really get this. Only 1 month ago, the majority of the crowd was rooting for him in the SF against Nadal. Beginning it was more like 50-50 but from the 3rd set they were louder for him. If you watched the Rome final, the crowd seemed very divided too.
The OA final against Medvedev, he clearly had more support than his opponent.
In most of his matchs, the crowd is rooting for the underdog but mostly when they realize the underdog is most likely gonna lose. The match against Berrettini was a good example... in the first set they weren't against anyone but when Berrettini was 2 sets down they started supporting him more. Just one example but it's the case in a lot of matchs.

He is very popular in China and in Australia, and many european countries. He will always have less fans than Federer and Nadal but at the same time, he has a bigger fan base than any other player (except Federer and Nadal), including the next gen. If guys like Zverev or Tsitsipas want to be half popular as Djokovic, they will need to win multiple slams...
 
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