Djokovic: I play against the stadium 90 percent of the time, everyone can see that

N01E

Hall of Fame
Its how you react to the crowd that makes the difference. Federer and Nadal have experienced this too. I think Federer will expect it today against Norrie. Nadal faced Kyrgios in Aus. They all came out in good spirits. Both of them will say I understand the crowd wants the underdog to win we just have to deal with it. Unfortunately in Djokovic's insecure world, he is being targeted on purpose. Sad to see yesterday's actions. That's not how a world no.1 and a 34 year old insanely rich man behaves.
Nadal literally went full xenophobic after losing to Novak in ATP Cup when the crowd didn't support him. At least try to do some research next time. Thanks.
 
Wimbledon crowd would not be at the level of the largely boorish crowd at USO '15 final, that's true. But to term it the best behaved crowd is really not true, either. There have been enough news articles commenting about the partisan and disrespectful nature of the crowd in 2019 final, I think it's time this fiction of a supremely genteel crowd is laid to rest. Being not as bad as an absolutely terrible crowd, doesn't give a crown for best deportment.
2019 they were not rude to Djokovic at all. Yes they were pro federer but there was no abuse of Djokovic at all
 
Definitely not.
In my experience of watching tennis since the early 90's, I would definitely say the most respectful crowds were the German/Austrian ones during the indoor carpet season (Vienna, Stuttgart, Essen, YEC in Hannover). Even when German players were on court, they would still applaud opponent winners with almost the same energy. No jeering, no casuals shouting, just a perfect tournament atmosphere. I miss those tournaments.
Festhalle was amazing
 

4-string

Professional
Like him or not, Djokovic will end up with a lot of records. Not a fan of him or his style, but his level when he’s on is truly impressive.

I find his desire to be loved pathetic, but at the same time it is sad that he doesn’t get the recognition he deserves.
 
What a ****ing baby he is, best tennis player in the world, most likely will end with the most slams earning lots and lots of money. But wa wa people don't support me.

Give it a rest No vax (interesting that's censored as one word) Djokovic you'll never be as popular as Federer and Nadal, and this kind of whinging is partly why, get over it.

He doesn't mind cheering for the opponent.

But throwing insults and being hostile towards him is totally different.

Justin Bieber is a more popular tennis player than Fedal:

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Jai

Professional
2019 they were not rude to Djokovic at all. Yes they were pro federer but there was no abuse of Djokovic at all
Sigh. I could send you actual published news articles evidencing the above, but why should I bother? Last time another "fan" started with these same falsehoods, and after I'd sent 4 separate news articles clearly commenting about poor crowd behaviour, he started off with whataboutery. Look, you want to portray a false narrative, fine. But saying that there was no churlish and disrespectful behavior from the Wimbledon 2019 final crowd, is factually untrue.
 

NiCo515

Rookie
The copious amount of salt flowing from Federer and Nadal fans these days brings a tear to my eye. When you've resorted to arguments that have nothing to do with tennis, you've lost and you're bitter.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru

Screaming profanities at the crowd LOL. As well as going straight to his chair after acknowledging the umpire. Where's the boob throwing now? :laughing: :laughing:

Only wish Djokovic had the courage to not hide behind Serbian subtitles when going after the crowd. His full heel turn is looong overdue and everyone would respect him more if he stopped the boob throwing and total fakeness permanently :whistle:
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
The copious amount of salt flowing from Federer and Nadal fans these days brings a tear to my eye. When you've resorted to arguments that have nothing to do with tennis, you've lost and you're bitter.


Who seems bitter now? :-D
 

NiCo515

Rookie
Who seems bitter now? :-D
The resentment just seeps off you. Look at your avatar. It's downright pathetic. I can't imagine being so preoccupied with another player, to the point of spending hours each day finding new ways to disparage him, as he marches along breaking every record. Have a good day Patel.
 

Jai

Professional

Screaming profanities at the crowd LOL. As well as going straight to his chair after acknowledging the umpire. Where's the boob throwing now? :laughing: :laughing:

Only wish Djokovic had the courage to not hide behind Serbian subtitles when going after the crowd. His full heel turn is looong overdue and everyone would respect him more if he stopped the boob throwing and total fakeness permanently :whistle:
I just can't understand this comment. Why should he do his usual post match celebration if he doesn't want to, if he feels a lot of the crowd were behaving badly? And conversely why should he stop it in matches when he wants to? I mean, everything he does, or doesn't do, invites comment. Celebrating, not celebrating, ....what next? :)
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
The resentment just seeps off you. Look at your avatar. It's downright pathetic. I can't imagine being so preoccupied with another player, to the point of spending hours each day finding new ways to disparage him, as he marches along breaking every record. Have a good day Patel.

Omg :laughing::laughing::laughing: thank you for this, with most Nadal and Federer fans fled it's difficult to extract this kind of laugh here these days :-D
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
I just can't understand this comment. Why should he do his usual post match celebration if he doesn't want to, if he feels a lot of the crowd were behaving badly? And conversely why should he stop it in matches when he wants to? I mean, everything he does, or doesn't do, invites comment. Celebrating, not celebrating, ....what next? :)

He should be himself. The boob throw is contrived and a play for mercy from crowds that, by his own admission, attack him over 90 percent of the time. Win or lose, nice or nasty, people respect those who are genuine and can detect fakeness easily. I think if Djokovic stopped with the fake smiles and boob throws he'd actually find the love he seeks. Look at Medvedev USO 2019. He made himself a total fan favorite by standing right up to their heckling.

I know you're trying to mental gymnastics your way into a world where everything Djokovic does is right (saying he should just do whatever he wants), but that doesn't mean these fascinating crowd dynamics shouldn't be discussed.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
Federer fans are still salty over 40-15 and nadal fans over the latest French open dishing that Novak gave. Feels good to see them cry on all threads nowadays.

keep them coming
 

Jai

Professional
He should be himself. The boob throw is contrived and a play for mercy from crowds that, by his own admission, attack him over 90 percent of the time. Win or lose, nice or nasty, people respect those who are genuine and can detect fakeness easily. I think if Djokovic stopped with the fake smiles and boob throws he'd actually find the love he seeks. Look at Medvedev USO 2019. He made himself a total fan favorite by standing right up to their heckling.

I know you're trying to mental gymnastics your way into a world where everything Djokovic does is right (saying he should just do whatever he wants), but that doesn't mean these fascinating crowd dynamics shouldn't be discussed.
Look, I'm not trying to do gymnastics of any kind, let alone mental ones :) but the level of angst at anything he does, is way, way overdone. Think about that for a second. I have never said everything Novak does is right, so I don't know why that strawman is even popping up here. Most likely it's because it's so easy to point fingers at, even when the other person hasn't even claimed this. :)
 

mwym

Professional
He should be himself. The boob throw is contrived and a play for mercy from crowds that, by his own admission, attack him over 90 percent of the time. Win or lose, nice or nasty, people respect those who are genuine and can detect fakeness easily. I think if Djokovic stopped with the fake smiles and boob throws he'd actually find the love he seeks. Look at Medvedev USO 2019. He made himself a total fan favorite by standing right up to their heckling.

I know you're trying to mental gymnastics your way into a world where everything Djokovic does is right (saying he should just do whatever he wants), but that doesn't mean these fascinating crowd dynamics shouldn't be discussed.
Djokovic is not a child to want love. Love is irrational. If he wants anything it is respect of his achievements. But never mind what he wants. Lets see how he uses hostility against him to win easier.

He is disliked. People cheer against him. They put high pressure on Djokovic's opponent, anticipation and expectation of win against Djokovic. Opponent's mind freezes due to too much POSITIVE pressure - knowing Djokovic is even more clutch when NEGATIVE pressure increases over him. Opponent underperforms, Djokovic wins. And then Djokovic ALWAYS thanks politely to fans for their support. Fans just do not seem able to get it what he thank them for - for the help they provide for Djokovic by cheering against him. They repeat it and help him - over and over again - for more than 10 years. Doing the same expecting different outcome is a simplest definition of low cognitive ability.

Who in his right mind would change the winning formula?

How on earth Djokovic, who was not even close to his best, would execute 40-15 without stadium literary crushing Federer's child like mind and distracting him from points being played by equally childishly celebrating Federer's win before he actually won?!

Djokovic EXPLOITS childish love towards his opponents for years. Now think again - why on earth would Djokovic want such a love and to be a 'total fan favorite'?

Children want love and project their own mind as the only option for all human minds of the world. No ability for abstract thinking.
Adults expect respect where and when respect is due. Respect is abstract and rational. Children just do not know it. Yet.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic is not a child to want love. Love is irrational. If he wants anything it is respect of his achievements. But never mind what he wants. Lets see how he uses hostility against him to win easier.

He is disliked. People cheer against him. They put high pressure on Djokovic's opponent, anticipation and expectation of win against Djokovic. Opponent's mind freezes due to too much POSITIVE pressure - knowing Djokovic is even more clutch when NEGATIVE pressure increases over him. Opponent underperforms, Djokovic wins. And then Djokovic ALWAYS thanks politely to fans for their support. Fans just do not seem able to get it what he thank them for - for the help they provide for Djokovic by cheering against him. They repeat it and help him - over and over again - for more than 10 years. Doing the same expecting different outcome is a simplest definition of low cognitive ability.

Who in his right mind would change the winning formula?

How on earth Djokovic, who was not even close to his best, would execute 40-15 without stadium literary crushing Federer's child like mind and distracting him from points being played by equally childishly celebrating Federer's win before he actually won?!

Djokovic EXPLOITS childish love towards his opponents for years. Now think again - why on earth would Djokovic want such a love and to be a 'total fan favorite'?

Children want love and project their own mind as the only option for all human minds of the world. No ability for abstract thinking.
Adults expect respect where and when respect is due. Respect is abstract and rational. Children just do not know it. Yet.



tl;dr (seriously)

Happy saturday!
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
To be honest, it's fine. Nadal and Federer are whipping bois to the ATP, they are yes men, great champions, but it's likely their wives wear the pants.
 

Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
He doesn't mind cheering for the opponent.

But throwing insults and being hostile towards him is totally different.

Justin Bieber is a more popular tennis player than Fedal:

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Sorry I just don't see it. I just see people cheering for his opponent anything else is heresy and conjecture, if you've lipread someone in the crowd insulting him or something I can believe that just like every single player who is cheered against will happen every now and again.

Justin Beiber isn't a tennis player.

It's an empirical fact that Federer and Nadal are much more popular than Djokovic, I suggest you get over it too, because he'll never be more popular, his cringy needyness not to mention his superspreader event hosting anti-vaxxer mentality being further nails in that particular coffin that was already firmly nailed down, but your guy is the best tennis player in the world and probably will be end up as the greatest ever. enjoy it. The one thing worse than a bad loser is a bad winner.
 

FHtennisman

Professional
Hitman, I usually agree with you, but this isn't a good comparison. Federer yelled immediately after a point, hence it was in very heat of the moment. Secondly, he yelled shut up. A bit different from telling someone to suck his dick, don't you think? Djokovic made his comment not in the heat of the moment, but as he was walking towards the net for the handshake. He was planning on it, so it's not a sudden outburst.

Also, wasn't his anger directed specifically at Novak's family in that moment IIRC as they were disrupting play?
 
Sigh. I could send you actual published news articles evidencing the above, but why should I bother? Last time another "fan" started with these same falsehoods, and after I'd sent 4 separate news articles clearly commenting about poor crowd behaviour, he started off with whataboutery. Look, you want to portray a false narrative, fine. But saying that there was no churlish and disrespectful behavior from the Wimbledon 2019 final crowd, is factually untrue.
What do you consider bad behaviour ?
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Djokovic is not a child to want love. Love is irrational. If he wants anything it is respect of his achievements. But never mind what he wants. Lets see how he uses hostility against him to win easier.

He is disliked. People cheer against him. They put high pressure on Djokovic's opponent, anticipation and expectation of win against Djokovic. Opponent's mind freezes due to too much POSITIVE pressure - knowing Djokovic is even more clutch when NEGATIVE pressure increases over him. Opponent underperforms, Djokovic wins. And then Djokovic ALWAYS thanks politely to fans for their support. Fans just do not seem able to get it what he thank them for - for the help they provide for Djokovic by cheering against him. They repeat it and help him - over and over again - for more than 10 years. Doing the same expecting different outcome is a simplest definition of low cognitive ability.

Who in his right mind would change the winning formula?

How on earth Djokovic, who was not even close to his best, would execute 40-15 without stadium literary crushing Federer's child like mind and distracting him from points being played by equally childishly celebrating Federer's win before he actually won?!

Djokovic EXPLOITS childish love towards his opponents for years. Now think again - why on earth would Djokovic want such a love and to be a 'total fan favorite'?

Children want love and project their own mind as the only option for all human minds of the world. No ability for abstract thinking.
Adults expect respect where and when respect is due. Respect is abstract and rational. Children just do not know it. Yet.
TennisHands reincarnated!!! Just lacking this--- :cool:
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
How exactly do you quantify the heat of the moment? Isn't being involved in a match, considered the heat of the moment in general, when you're competitive juices are firing on all cylinders? We need to clear something up here, Novak was getting distracted by about two obnoxious fans from the first set, you can see at first he was being very silent but giving them stares, as if saying to stop it....but they kept at it, so naturally when you have so much on the line, you think you will allow some moron from the crowd try to impact that? The umpire should have stepped in, and you know this, if he could hear on the actual court, she can clearly hear it, and she finally did, but that was when it was the third set.

Tell me, is this the heat of the moment?

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C'mon he made a fair point and you just danced around it. One can only assume that you approve of the behavior.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Some players prefer to play in front of hostile crowds. Michael Jordan was like that, because he said when his Bulls beat their team, the crowd got real quiet.

At the end of the '19 Wimbledon final, you could tell Djokovic was enjoying the peace and quiet.
 

Jai

Professional
What do you consider bad behaviour ?
:) Go through these news articles, which clearly remark on bad crowd behaviour at Wimbledon. I don't want to debate endlessly on this, beats me how one can claim the crowd were supremely genteel, when there is solid evidence that sections were extremely unruly and didn't behave well.




 
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Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic does get plenty of support these days, he is talking about the course over his career, primarily because he was the one to disrupt the Fedal party.
I don't agree. I don't think he gets enough respect. In his shoes I'm sure I would be furious. And nothing angers me more than "fans" heckling another player. Any player. I've never EVER, in my whole life done that for any reason. If I'm rooting for an individual or a team, I just support what I'm rooting for. When the other guy or the other team scores or does well, I just watch in respect.

When I seen drunken clowns or just ash holes baiting top players, just because they can, I always wish the guys playing could simply walk right into the stands and punch their lights out. Or grab a mike and humiliate the cretins.

I know that's not the way the world works, but that's how I wish things went. I think Joker's anger at rude crowds is 100% understandable and natural.

Also, people forget that if you are on a team, the team gives you support and a cushion. People out there in individual sports are incredibly vulnerable. It's only human to want to be at least appreciated. You don't have to be a fan, and you don't have to like his tennis style to appreciate the man is an incredible athlete.
 

Gary Duane

Talk Tennis Guru
Some players prefer to play in front of hostile crowds. Michael Jordan was like that, because he said when his Bulls beat their team, the crowd got real quiet.

At the end of the '19 Wimbledon final, you could tell Djokovic was enjoying the peace and quiet.
It's totally different being on a team where you always have the support of your teammates.
 
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jm1980

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He should be himself. The boob throw is contrived and a play for mercy from crowds that, by his own admission, attack him over 90 percent of the time. Win or lose, nice or nasty, people respect those who are genuine and can detect fakeness easily. I think if Djokovic stopped with the fake smiles and boob throws he'd actually find the love he seeks. Look at Medvedev USO 2019. He made himself a total fan favorite by standing right up to their heckling.

I know you're trying to mental gymnastics your way into a world where everything Djokovic does is right (saying he should just do whatever he wants), but that doesn't mean these fascinating crowd dynamics shouldn't be discussed.
I don't see what's fake about it, he is genuinely appreciative most of the time. Unless they heckle him like they did against Kudla, then yeah, doing it would be fake. But he didn't do it then, did he?
 

JustMy2Cents

Hall of Fame
Now post the one from ATP Cup where the crowd was loud and boisterous and Djokovic was getting way more support and let's see how Rafa handled it.
And you can post clips of Rafa yelling abuses at the disruptive crowd
!...You can't find any such reaction, can you?

When the crowd disrupts serves, the player complains to the umpire for maintaining quiet... as Rafa did.
Not many champs hurl abuses at the crowd.
 

canta_Brian

Hall of Fame
It is annoying when the crowd supports every random player who plays against Djokovic.

When was the last time Djokovic had more crowd support than his opponent at a major ? Do we have to go back to 2010 ?
Odd isn’t it. Tickets are purchased before courts are allocated, so it can’t be Djokovic haters targeting his court. Maybe it’s something else? Maybe he comes across as a p3nis to most people?
 

Jai

Professional
Odd isn’t it. Tickets are purchased before courts are allocated, so it can’t be Djokovic haters targeting his court. Maybe it’s something else? Maybe he comes across as a p3nis to most people?
Read Kudla's interview. :) his views on why many fans root against Djokovic, might interest (and disappoint) you.
 

Forehanderer

Professional
Sigh. I could send you actual published news articles evidencing the above, but why should I bother? Last time another "fan" started with these same falsehoods, and after I'd sent 4 separate news articles clearly commenting about poor crowd behaviour, he started off with whataboutery. Look, you want to portray a false narrative, fine. But saying that there was no churlish and disrespectful behavior from the Wimbledon 2019 final crowd, is factually untrue.
There you go again
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NoleFam

Bionic Poster
And you can post clips of Rafa yelling abuses at the disruptive crowd
!...You can't find any such reaction, can you?

When the crowd disrupts serves, the player complains to the umpire for maintaining quiet... as Rafa did.
Not many champs hurl abuses at the crowd.

No he didn't hurl abuses. He just insulted the Serbian fans after the match and said "people from other countries don't understand tennis". Lol. So quit tryijg to make it seem like he handled the situation so much better when he honestly didn't.
 

JustMy2Cents

Hall of Fame
No he didn't hurl abuses. He just insulted the Serbian fans after the match and said "people from other countries don't understand tennis". Lol. So quit tryijg to make it seem like he handled the situation so much better when he honestly didn't.
This was the actual quote from Rafa...surprising this is equated with Djoko's verbal abuse directed to the crowd.

Honestly, the crowd was fantastic every single day but sometimes people from some countries, they probably don't understand how the tennis goes," Nadal said.

"They think it's about football or this stuff and atmosphere in tennis is different, no?

"The respect for the players should be there, and at some point I think the respect with small part of the crowd have been not there."
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
This was the actual quote from Rafa...surprising this is equated with Djoko's verbal abuse directed to the crowd.

Honestly, the crowd was fantastic every single day but sometimes people from some countries, they probably don't understand how the tennis goes," Nadal said.

"They think it's about football or this stuff and atmosphere in tennis is different, no?

"The respect for the players should be there, and at some point I think the respect with small part of the crowd have been not there."



Wow. One of the most racist things I have ever read :sneaky:
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
:) Go through these news articles, which clearly remark on bad crowd behaviour at Wimbledon. I don't want to debate endlessly on this, beats me how one can claim the crowd were supremely genteel, when there is solid evidence that sections were extremely unruly and didn't behave well.




Crowds jeer and boo all the time when a player stops play to argue with the umpire. That’s almost the default response. And outside that one incident the crowd, while overwhelmingly pro-Federer, was not actively disparaging of Novak (as far as I can see). I don’t envy him playing with that type of crowd. He’s only human and it has to really suck to feel the crowd in almost full support of the other player.

But also let’s be real here – the vast majority of the matches he plays are not against Fed or local favorites and are probably essentially neutral in support. We don’t need to overstate how much negativity Novak receives from the crowd. I’m sure at times it’s pretty miserable, but it’s not like he’s being booed out of the stadium. And his on-court antics certainly don’t help.
 

mwym

Professional
Love is irrational and subjective- we do not see reality objectively and we do things that are not logical aka plain stupid.

Love for Federer is the greatest in tennis history.

If you need third sentence here, ignore this post. The post is not for you.
 

Realfan

Rookie
I am blown away by what Djokovic has been able to accomplish playing basically every GS match on an away court. It speaks volumes about his mental toughness. He reminds me of how Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant or Reggie Miller would engage with those in the crowd who were verbally abusive towards them. I have zero issues with him insulting anyone in the crowd. In my opinion, he will soon be the undisputed GOAT and I am a big fan of the Big 3 as a triumvirate. They are all amazing and Djokovic will end up on top.
 

SonnyT

Legend
In individual sports, fans don't direct umbrage at athletes, because it's considered unfair. I can remember only 2 instances. Tiger Woods, during his dominance and before his personal and physical troubles, faced enormous hatred. (But fans couldn't openly cheer when he missed a putt.) And Novak Djokovic!

It's different at Davis Cup, and team sports, because there is a whole support system there.
 
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TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
Love is irrational and subjective- we do not see reality objectively and we do things that are not logical aka plain stupid.

Love for Federer is the greatest in tennis history.

If you need third sentence here, ignore this post. The post is not for you.
I think the game has been well and truly flushed from that bush, you know.
 
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