Djokovic injury

Spider

Hall of Fame
#5
Djokovic's elbow isn't 100% but I was more worried about his grimacing when he was on the stretch.

Take nothing away from Chung, his tennis was incredible and if he keeps that form up he's going to be a top player.
Yeah Chung was solid but Djokovic was very below his usual standard.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
#6
He'll be fine. He just needs match practice. Not every player can come back after six months off due to injury and win a slam right away. That's the exception, not the rule.
 
#8
Looked more like rust than injury really
I think the injury significantly affected Djokovic's shot selection. A lot of wide serving to the deuce court, and a bit more angle play rather than hitting through the court. Tennis elbow isn't excruciatingly painful (in my experience) but it does affect strength at point of impact. As a player that gives you a subconscious preference to avoid full direct contact by playing more angles than power. Still, a brilliant performance from Cheung. I suspect a star has arrived.
 
#13
Djokovic: Elbow 'not great'. 'It's frustrating when you have that much time and you don't heal properly'.' I have to reassess everything'.
Disturbing. Who is taking care of Djoko's elbow problem? He abandoned a previous tourny earlier in january. Obviously he still has issues with the elbow.
It didn't heal, or the problem came back after he began to play again? Is it a raquet problem?
 
#16
Djokovic's elbow isn't 100% but I was more worried about his grimacing when he was on the stretch.

Take nothing away from Chung, his tennis was incredible and if he keeps that form up he's going to be a top player.
Chung absolutely Clapped novak.

Novak was not that far from 100% to go out in straights. There's something wrong with that hip though. Coming back with new coaches, new service motion "not 100%" on the elbow... Probably knew he wasn't going to go all the way.

But damn did Chung make him look washed up.
 
#17
Disturbing. Who is taking care of Djoko's elbow problem? He abandoned a previous tourny earlier in january. Obviously he still has issues with the elbow.
It didn't heal, or the problem came back after he began to play again? Is it a raquet problem?
370 swing weight is not a small amount. That's a heavy racquet. It could be the cause, as he uses a bent elbow on the forehand. I mean, the human body wasn't made to play tennis, especially not at that level for that long. And novak doesn't have the extra meat on the bones to protect joints. So it's possible. But realistically even if novak was using a 350 sw which is pretty average for guys up at that level, but considerably lighter, he probably would have had the same issue by now.

In my experience technique always seems to have the biggest impact on injuries. But I don't have 10+ years on the ATP tour, playing 5 hours a day all the time.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
#26
Technically I suppose. But RG wasn't Nadal's very first tournament in 2013 either.
I was thinking more of what he did in the summer hardcourt season in 2013, i.e. winning the Candian Masters, Cinci, and the USO but fair is fair. He was off for six months and came back and won all those clay tournaments and the FO and then went on to have that insane summer hc season. It's not easy to do. It's not the same as Federer winning the first slam out of the gate after six months off but both feats are incredible and the exception rather than the rule as we can see from Murray, Djokovic, Wawrinka, Raonic, and so many other players in tennis history.
 

Enga

Professional
#27
370 swing weight is not a small amount. That's a heavy racquet. It could be the cause, as he uses a bent elbow on the forehand. I mean, the human body wasn't made to play tennis, especially not at that level for that long. And novak doesn't have the extra meat on the bones to protect joints. So it's possible. But realistically even if novak was using a 350 sw which is pretty average for guys up at that level, but considerably lighter, he probably would have had the same issue by now.

In my experience technique always seems to have the biggest impact on injuries. But I don't have 10+ years on the ATP tour, playing 5 hours a day all the time.
This is just a guess but I feel that Djokovic's current problems all relate to his serve. In the past, his serve has been very "wristy". It's a good serve for sure, but at some point I recall he had a wrist injury. As is the case with Haas I believe, injuries that come from serve problems tend to travel UP the arm over time, due to the player adjusting their technique to compensate. I believe he wore out his wrist, so he adjusted. Now he's wearing out his elbow, so he's adjusting again. Next could be a shoulder injury for all we know.

IMO the only option when dealing with injuries that come from the serve is to fully heal the arm, and adjust the serve completely. Or otherwise, learn to play tennis with a slightly slower serve (placement maybe?).
 
#28
This is just a guess but I feel that Djokovic's current problems all relate to his serve. In the past, his serve has been very "wristy". It's a good serve for sure, but at some point I recall he had a wrist injury. As is the case with Haas I believe, injuries that come from serve problems tend to travel UP the arm over time, due to the player adjusting their technique to compensate. I believe he wore out his wrist, so he adjusted. Now he's wearing out his elbow, so he's adjusting again. Next could be a shoulder injury for all we know.

IMO the only option when dealing with injuries that come from the serve is to fully heal the arm, and adjust the serve completely. Or otherwise, learn to play tennis with a slightly slower serve (placement maybe?).
You're right about the wrist injury. And I agree in that most injuries are related to one another, and are compensatory in nature.

Whatever it is, needs to be fully addressed if Novak wants to compete for majors again. It's possible however, that trying to win more majors might be off the table short term, or long term/forever at this point. 6 months is a long time to take off. Surgery sometimes doesn't actually fix joint issues. Injuries suck.
 
#30
I've got the exact same injury, it's been like 15 months and it ain't healing. The moment I play with poly or play two days in a row the pain is unbearable. I then have to rest for a few days and I'm able to continue this pain ridden routine. And I'm playing with mg radical os which is really flexy. I can't imagine a pro playing at that intensity, I'd go with surgery or HGH treatment.
 
#31
I've got the exact same injury, it's been like 15 months and it ain't healing. The moment I play with poly or play two days in a row the pain is unbearable. I then have to rest for a few days and I'm able to continue this pain ridden routine. And I'm playing with mg radical os which is really flexy. I can't imagine a pro playing at that intensity, I'd go with surgery or HGH treatment.
Well, I had it too a few years ago. Try using a heavier frame (I know...) and change your shot so that you hit the ball as much in front of you as possible. Don't volley at all. Use a 2h backhand. Can't help you with the serve. I hope you pronate. String low 20s, and use multi or gut. If you mainly play doubles then tough luck.

Oh, an use a hand flexer to increase your forearm muscle mass. The more mass in between the point of contact and your elbow the less vibration will reach your elbow.

Good luck and play safe.
 
#32
370 swing weight is not a small amount. That's a heavy racquet. It could be the cause, as he uses a bent elbow on the forehand. I mean, the human body wasn't made to play tennis, especially not at that level for that long. And novak doesn't have the extra meat on the bones to protect joints. So it's possible. But realistically even if novak was using a 350 sw which is pretty average for guys up at that level, but considerably lighter, he probably would have had the same issue by now.

In my experience technique always seems to have the biggest impact on injuries. But I don't have 10+ years on the ATP tour, playing 5 hours a day all the time.
Excelent points, especially that bent elbow on FH (as opposed to Federer's FH!). Anyway, the theory says: "You know the problem, you know how to fix it". It doesn't seem so! I mean, we are talking abou a guy that should have the best of the best in medical treatment! That is why I believe there is some external equipment to look after like the raquet or strings. Not necessarely the weight of raquet, perhaps the compositon, ergonomics or design.
 
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