Djokovic is 16 years older than Alcaraz and 14 years older than Sinner

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It's actually almost offensive when I see Fed fans try to pretend the age gap between Roger and Novak was even close to comparable to what Djokovic is dealing with now.

Yes I am slightly bitter that he's going to lose fo Alcaraz in max 4 sets. I've been bitter all US Open seeing this geriatric with no meniscus still be able to make the semifinals at his age but having to face Alcaraz and Sinner back to back. .
 
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But don't you see it's not only Djokovic that made semifinals of all Grandslams, it's these two also

Sinner will Probably make Finals of all Grandslams!!

Alcaraz will probably make Finals of 3 out of 4 slams!!

So it's good for Tennis,
 
BrokenGears said:
It's actually almost offensive when I see Fed fans try to pretend the age gap between Roger and Novak was even close to comparable to what Djokovic is dealing with now.

Yes I am slightly bitter that he''s going to lose fo Alcaraz in max 4 sets. I've been bitter all US Open seeing this geriatric with no meniscus still be able to make the semifinals at his age but having to face Alcaraz and Sinner back to back. .
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Zverev and Taylor are 6 years older than Alcaraz but nobody talks about the age gap there lol. Djokovic and Murray beat Federer when he was still in his peak age.
 
How do you not see that he’s incredibly lucky they’re 16 and 14 years younger rather than, say, 6 and 4?

Imagine a peak Sinner and Alcaraz coming into their primes in the late 2010s. Not a single chance he gets to 24 in that scenario.

Roger had basically his entire 30s taken away by Rafa and Novak until 2017 happened. Novak got to feast on Zverev Medvedev Tsitsipas Ruud and Berrettini. Competition only showed up when he was already 36 years old. Everyone would take that trade off a million times out of a million.
 
Kralingen said:
How do you not see that he’s incredibly lucky they’re 16 and 14 years younger rather than, say, 6 and 4?

Imagine a peak Sinner and Alcaraz born in coming into their primes in the late 2010s. Not a single chance he gets to 24 in that scenario.
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There's zero luck here lmao. Having to go against potential ATGs TWO GENERATIONS removed from you

Fedr fans were really complaining about a 6 year age gap between players of the same decade. Complete disgust.

And no, I absolutely don't believe Peak Djokovic a couple years younger would struggle against Peak Alcaraz and Sinner enough to prevent 20 slams. He would absolutely wash the former and while the latter might be a bit tougher, we saw what 2023 Novak was capable of dealing. A younger version even against this elevated " post-puke " Sinner would be favored
 
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BrokenGears said:
It's actually almost offensive when I see Fed fans try to pretend the age gap between Roger and Novak was even close to comparable to what Djokovic is dealing with now.

Yes I am slightly bitter that he''s going to lose fo Alcaraz in max 4 sets. I've been bitter all US Open seeing this geriatric with no meniscus still be able to make the semifinals at his age but having to face Alcaraz and Sinner back to back. .
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It's an age*skill gap rather than just age obviously, else Djovak would've been losing to Cobolli or something. The age gap is significantly bigger in the younguns' favour, of course, but the skill gap is also much bigger in Djokovic's favour since they are so much less skilled than the big 3. Isn't it beautiful?
If Sinner and Alcaraz were actually equally skilled as Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, Oldovic would've been struggling to win five games in a set against either. That's not what's happening, sadly enough.
 
BrokenGears said:
There's zero luck here lmao. Having to go against potential ATGs TWO GENERATIONS removed from you

Fedr fans were really complaining about a 6 year age gap between players of the same decade. Complete disgust.
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You completely missed the point. He faced ZERO younger ATGs for two generations. That’s extremely lucky. He’s only facing these younger ATGs when his career is basically done.
 
BrokenGears said:
There's zero luck here lmao. Having to go against potential ATGs TWO GENERATIONS removed from you

Fedr fans were really complaining about a 6 year age gap between players of the same decade. Complete disgust.
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Novak and Rafa (prime level) overlapped with 2007-2021 Federer. 14 years of his career.

Alcaraz and Sinner (prime level) have overlapped with Novak from 2023-2025. 2 years of his career, age 36-.

Do you see the difference?
 
Sputnik Bulgorov said:
You completely missed the point. He faced ZERO younger ATGs for two generations. That’s extremely lucky. He’s only facing these younger ATGs when his career is basically done.
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This literally doesn't matter when you face the two other greatest player of the sports for most of your entire career. Like what are we talking about here lmao? This is an absolutely horrendous argument.

Kralingen said:
Novak and Rafa (prime level) overlapped with 2007-2021 Federer. 14 years of his career.

Alcaraz and Sinner (prime level) have overlapped with Novak from 2023-2025. 2 years of his career, age 36-.

Do you see the difference?
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Again, what is the genuine relevance of this when Djokovic faced Nadal and Federer for most of his career?

Who are the older ATGs Federer and Nadal really had comparable rivalries with? Agassi and Sampras? Seriously?

That's what you're not getting. The Sinner/Alcaraz dynamic with Djokovic is incomparable here. Djokovic is forced to act as a third wheel once again, something he has no business doing
 
BrokenGears said:
This literally doesn't matter when you face the two other greatest player of the sports for most of your entire career. Like what are we talking about here lmao? This is an absolutely horrendous argument.


Again, what is the genuine relevance of this when Djokovic faced Nadal and Federer for most of his career?

Who are the older ATGs Federer and Nadal really had comparable rivalries with? Agassi and Sampras? Seriously?

That's what you're not getting. The Sinner/Alcaraz dynamic with Djokovic is incomparable here. Djokovic is forced to act as a third wheel once again, something he has no business doing
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The relevance is you started a salty thread complaining about younger guys beating your favorite player and then brought up Federer without a hint of irony.

How do you not feel even the slightest bit of empathy for Federer fans, now going through this phenomenon yourself? Take how you feel now and compare it to Federer fans a decade ago. That’s how Fed fans felt for the entire 2010s!
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
Also I recall various Djokovic fanbois rejoicing when Thiem, Zverev or Tsitsipas beat Federer, nevermind the age difference (12, 16, 17 years respectively). Some of them cite those H2Hs to this day as "further evidence of Federer's vulturosity".
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I've actually never said this obviously but do you think Thiem, Zverev, and Tsits are Sinner/Alcaraz level?

Kralingen said:
The relevance is you started a salty thread complaining about younger guys beating your favorite player and then brought up Federer without a hint of irony.
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Yeah because for years on this forum (7 to be exact) I had to deal with salty Fed fans bringing up a pathetic 6 year age gap every time they played as the main excuse for every loss to Novak.

There's no irony here. As I said, this is an a actual " age gap. " Like that's even an understatement of the phrase of what Novak is dealing with
 
I mean this all could’ve been easily avoided if you didn’t bring up Federer. It’s not at all a black mark for him to lose the likes of Alcaraz and Sinner at this age, and this really has nothing to do with Fed at all.
 
BrokenGears said:
I've actually never said this obviously but do you think Thiem, Zverev, and Tsits are Sinner/Alcaraz level?
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Do you think Sinner/Alcaraz are Big 3 level? Refer to my first comment.

Also Djokovic was losing plenty of matches to Tim/Zed/Tyts at the time (i.e. pre-2020) despite having a winning H2H overall, while the age gap was cut to 6, 10, 11 years. Actually that 6 is quite nice, given Thiem won 5 of his last 7 matches against Djokovic. I don't recall Djokovic fanbois admitting Thiem was better in any way (of course he wasn't, it's just Djokovic being post-prime while Thiem was prime thanks to the age gap, you just don't want to acknowledge it).
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Yeah because for years on this forum I had to deal with salty Fed fans bringing up a pathetic 6 year age gap every time they played as an excuse for every loss
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Is there truly anything more pathetic than Djokovic fans pretending he is the best player ever?
 
Kralingen said:
How do you not see that he’s incredibly lucky they’re 16 and 14 years younger rather than, say, 6 and 4?

Imagine a peak Sinner and Alcaraz coming into their primes in the late 2010s. Not a single chance he gets to 24 in that scenario.

Roger had basically his entire 30s taken away by Rafa and Novak until 2017 happened. Novak got to feast on Zverev Medvedev Tsitsipas Ruud and Berrettini. Competition only showed up when he was already 36 years old. Everyone would take that trade off a million times out of a million.
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Fed had no ATGs in the generation before him or in his generation and Sinner and Alcaraz are the ones who are lucky they weren't born 4 and 6 years away from Golden Gen.
 
BrokenGears said:
This literally doesn't matter when you face the two other greatest player of the sports for most of your entire career. Like what are we talking about here lmao? This is an absolutely horrendous argument.
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it matters since you’re making a comparison with Federer facing younger ATGs. We’re not talking about competition overall, but competition from players with a youth advantage. Djokovic facing Federer and Nadal, who are older and/or part of the same age group, is irrelevant. This is absolutely horrendous comprehension.
 
Kralingen said:
I mean this all could’ve been easily avoided if you didn’t bring up Federer. It’s not at all a black mark for him to lose the likes of Alcaraz and Sinner at this age, and this really has nothing to do with Fed at all.
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No, because this is what happens when for years so much of Fedr fan argumentation hinged on an absolutely hilarious age proposition that we can now evidently see become more moronic in real time when dealing with actual generational gaps
 
The Guru said:
Fed had no ATGs in the generation before him or in his generation and Sinner and Alcaraz are the ones who are lucky they weren't born 4 and 6 years away from Golden Gen.
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Fed was also lucky. But that doesn’t mean Djokovic isn’t lucky as well. However, timing matters here. I honestly think it’s better to face a competition vacuum during athletic decline than during your peak, when you’d win a lot either way and have the physical resources to handle the toughest competition. Alcaraz and Sinner are also lucky. In a scenario where they’re born 4 and 6 years away from Golden Gen, all of them win a lot less, and Nadal and Djokovic don’t make it to 22 and 24 slams. If Federer is born 5 years from Sampras instead of 10, he doesn’t win 8 wimbledons and 5 USOs.
 
BrokenGears said:
There's zero luck here lmao. Having to go against potential ATGs TWO GENERATIONS removed from you

Fedr fans were really complaining about a 6 year age gap between players of the same decade. Complete disgust.

And no, I absolutely don't believe Peak Djokovic a couple years younger would struggle against Peak Alcaraz and Sinner enough to prevent 20 slams. He would absolutely wash the former and while the latter might be a bit tougher, we saw what 2023 Novak was capable of dealing. A younger version even against this elevated " post-puke " Sinner would be favored
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What do you mean by peak Djokovic couple of years younger ?

Peak Djokovic died after the french open of 2016, the Djokovic you saw from 2018 was past his prime Djokovic and the Djokovic you saw from 2021 onwards is more declined version and the Djokovic post 2023 is not even Djokovic anymore, it is an old geriatric caricature of himself.

What @Kralingen means to say is that if Alcie and Sinner arrived after the 2019 wimbledon then Djoko would not reach even 20 slams, let alone 24. The Bull would have vultured the Slams record from Federer because he would somehow won 2022 french open to make it 21. Scott Morrison open would have gone to Sinner but that french Bull would have taken and thus emerged the leader on 21.

Or maybe Novak would still have found ways to cross 20 but no way is he reaching 24.
 
No excuses, the machine is still outlasting young guys and can seemingly play all day no matter what's wrong with him. Age schmage when it comes to him.
 
Razer said:
What do you mean by peak Djokovic couple of years younger ?

Peak Djokovic died after the french open of 2016, the Djokovic you saw from 2018 was past his prime Djokovic and the Djokovic you saw from 2021 onwards is more declined version and the Djokovic post 2023 is not even Djokovic anymore, it is an old geriatric caricature of himself.

What @Kralingen means to say is that if Alcie and Sinner arrived after the 2019 wimbledon then Djoko would not reach even 20 slams, let alone 24. The Bull would have vultured the Slams record from Federer because he would somehow won 2022 french open to make it 21. Scott Morrison open would have gone to Sinner but that french Bull would have taken and thus emerged the leader on 21.

Or maybe Novak would still have found ways to cross 20 but no way is he reaching 24.
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If you start the what if argument it applies to Fed and Nadal too.

At the end of the day Novak made the most of his opportunities better than Fedal.

Sinner/Alcaraz are making best use of their opportunities so far.
 
Kralingen said:
The relevance is you started a salty thread complaining about younger guys beating your favorite player and then brought up Federer without a hint of irony.

How do you not feel even the slightest bit of empathy for Federer fans, now going through this phenomenon yourself? Take how you feel now and compare it to Federer fans a decade ago. That’s how Fed fans felt for the entire 2010s!
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Fed fans always had an argument, his late 20’s/very early 30’s were taken away by those other two.

What really makes zero sense is Dull fans jumping in the same conversation saying age is what cost Rafa his slams and used the same logic Fed fans used. Even tho him and Djokovic are same age and era. Mental patients.
 
It just remarkable despite having most of the records he is still out there competing against these guys at back end of slams.

As Djokovic fans we been blessed and he continues to give us a ride even if 25 very likely doesn’t happen.

Sincaraz are in his way now but Djokovic is just enjoying his last part of his career as the underdog and just seeing if he can pull some magic off 1 last time.

The age argument applies to all of them. All the best players who at times have age in their favour and then against them.

Over the course of a player’s career there is no luck where you end up. Djokovic ended up first because he did the best over a longer period of time against different generations and did well in the big matches too.
 
No sane Fed-fan is comparing Djoko-Sincaraz with Fed-Djoko. We just blame the 90s gen for being so incrediby bad. Now Sincaraz are taking advantage of the same "problem".

As ive said plenty of times, the one tennis record that never will be broken is a decade of players only winning 2 slams.
 
Djokovic has certainly had a very tough time winning against players 14 years younger than him. No one seriously disputes this. That gap is about the length of a standard professional tennis career, give or take a year. Quite the uphill task.

But the more important question is about what happened to the players 4 years, 6 years, 8 years, and 12 years younger than him that made them unable to dethrone the old guard? Why did we have to wait for someone 14 years younger to begin with?

Where Fed was facing Djokovic, Djokovic had Thiem to contend with. 6 year gaps matter a lot more when the younger player you’ve matched up with is actually good.

In the time between the Djokovic-Nadal generation and the Sinner-Alcaraz generation, I’m not convinced there was even a single player as good as Andy Roddick, let alone any players capable of being the kind of stiff competition that Djokovic was to Federer. Novak had to wait until he was 35/36 and after he’d basically won it all before he really felt what it was like to have genuine challengers breathing down his neck. And even now it remains to be seen if Sinner and Alcaraz actually do pose a Djokovic-level threat. The bar is high because that’s what Fed had to deal with (+ Nadal).

No, a better angle for Djokovic fans to consider would be to poke at Fed’s relatively uncontested rise (“what older generation did he really have to dethrone?”). I’d still disagree with that case but it would seem more coherent than whatever is going on here.
 
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Third Serve said:
Djokovic has certainly had a very tough time winning against players 14 years younger than him. No one seriously disputes this. That gap is about the length of a standard professional tennis career, give or take a year. Quite the uphill task.

But the more important question is about what happened to the players 4 years, 6 years, 8 years, and 12 years younger than him that made them unable to dethrone the old guard? Why did we have to wait for someone 14 years younger to begin with?

Where Fed was facing Djokovic, Djokovic had Thiem to contend with. 6 year gaps matter a lot more when the younger player you’ve matched up with is actually good.

In the time between the Djokovic-Nadal generation and the Sinner-Alcaraz generation, I’m not convinced there was even a single player as good as Andy Roddick, let alone any players capable of being the kind of stiff competition that Djokovic was to Federer. Novak had to wait until he was 35/36 before he really felt what it was like to have genuine challengers breathing down his neck. And even now it remains to be seen if Sinner and Alcaraz actually do pose a Djokovic-level threat. The bar is high because that’s what Fed had to deal with (+ Nadal).

No, a better angle for Djokovic fans to consider would be to poke at Fed’s relatively uncontested rise (“what older generation did he really have to dethrone?”). I’d still disagree with that case but it would seem more coherent than whatever is going on here.
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I agree 100% with this.

Tier 2 of both Feds generation (Roddick, Hewitt, Safin) and tier 2 of Djokodals generation (Stan, Berdych, Tsonga) were better than tier 1 in the 90s. And then i havent even mentioned Murray. This is the problem here.

One thing is that 90s gen didnt have ATGs, but the best players wouldnt even make a good tier 2 (id say Thiem is an exception, and maybe Med on HC for a season or two)
 
Jonas78 said:
I agree 100% with this.

Tier 2 of both Feds generation (Roddick, Hewitt, Safin) and tier 2 of Djokodals generation (Stan, Berdych, Tsonga) were better than tier 1 in the 90s. And then i havent even mentioned Murray. This is the problem here.

One thing is that 90s gen didnt have ATGs, but the best players wouldnt even make a good tier 2 (id say Thiem is an exception, and maybe Med on HC for a season or two)
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Like it’s staggering just how bad those two generations (upper 90’s and lower 90’s) were.

The only other Open Era one that was relatively weak was the generation immediately preceding Fed and succeeding Sampras (Kuerten, Kafelnikov, Moya, Rios). But still, Kuerten is a lot better than the best of the 90’s bunch, and it was just one generation rather than two.
 
NoleFam said:
Yes, what Djokovic is facing is much harder. It's more specifically a 16 year age gap and then a 14 year 2 month age gap. The difference between Djokovic and Federer was 5 years and 10 months, nowhere near close to comparable. I really don't see how they can be compared tbh.
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Djokovic beat Federer when he was 26 in his peak years and was challenging him in the Us Open final which he could've won with more experience. He straight setted him in AO afterwards.
 
Third Serve said:
Like it’s staggering just how bad those two generations (upper 90’s and lower 90’s) were.

The only other Open Era one that was relatively weak was the generation immediately preceding Fed and succeeding Sampras (Kuerten, Kafelnikov, Moya, Rios). But still, Kuerten is a lot better than the best of the 90’s bunch, and it was just one generation rather than two.
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Certainly.

Its also funny how the late 90s gen used to blame Big3. They are noe even that old, Med is 29 and Tsits 27, who shall they blame now? The absence of Federer and Nadal, and Nole turning 38, certainly didnt help them.
 
BrokenGears said:
It's actually almost offensive when I see Fed fans try to pretend the age gap between Roger and Novak was even close to comparable to what Djokovic is dealing with now.

Yes I am slightly bitter that he''s going to lose fo Alcaraz in max 4 sets. I've been bitter all US Open seeing this geriatric with no meniscus still be able to make the semifinals at his age but having to face Alcaraz and Sinner back to back. .
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That’s only because he had no one else great with a smaller age gap.
 
btsjungkook said:
Zverev and Taylor are 6 years older than Alcaraz but nobody talks about the age gap there lol. Djokovic and Murray beat Federer when he was still in his peak age.
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Djokovic fans didn’t bring up any age gaps when he was still beating guys 10+ years younger than him
 
BrokenGears said:
It's actually almost offensive when I see Fed fans try to pretend the age gap between Roger and Novak was even close to comparable to what Djokovic is dealing with now.

Yes I am slightly bitter that he''s going to lose fo Alcaraz in max 4 sets. I've been bitter all US Open seeing this geriatric with no meniscus still be able to make the semifinals at his age but having to face Alcaraz and Sinner back to back. .
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So you’re saying it would’ve been better for 2023 Djokovic to face 2015 Djokovic because of the much smaller age gap?
 
Sputnik Bulgorov said:
Fed was also lucky. But that doesn’t mean Djokovic isn’t lucky as well. However, timing matters here. I honestly think it’s better to face a competition vacuum during athletic decline than during your peak, when you’d win a lot either way and have the physical resources to handle the toughest competition. Alcaraz and Sinner are also lucky. In a scenario where they’re born 4 and 6 years away from Golden Gen, all of them win a lot less, and Nadal and Djokovic don’t make it to 22 and 24 slams. If Federer is born 5 years from Sampras instead of 10, he doesn’t win 8 wimbledons and 5 USOs.
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Neither does Sampras win 7 and 5
 
Third Serve said:
Djokovic has certainly had a very tough time winning against players 14 years younger than him. No one seriously disputes this. That gap is about the length of a standard professional tennis career, give or take a year. Quite the uphill task.

But the more important question is about what happened to the players 4 years, 6 years, 8 years, and 12 years younger than him that made them unable to dethrone the old guard? Why did we have to wait for someone 14 years younger to begin with?

Where Fed was facing Djokovic, Djokovic had Thiem to contend with. 6 year gaps matter a lot more when the younger player you’ve matched up with is actually good.

In the time between the Djokovic-Nadal generation and the Sinner-Alcaraz generation, I’m not convinced there was even a single player as good as Andy Roddick, let alone any players capable of being the kind of stiff competition that Djokovic was to Federer. Novak had to wait until he was 35/36 and after he’d basically won it all before he really felt what it was like to have genuine challengers breathing down his neck. And even now it remains to be seen if Sinner and Alcaraz actually do pose a Djokovic-level threat. The bar is high because that’s what Fed had to deal with (+ Nadal).

No, a better angle for Djokovic fans to consider would be to poke at Fed’s relatively uncontested rise (“what older generation did he really have to dethrone?”). I’d still disagree with that case but it would seem more coherent than whatever is going on here.
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Has he had a very tough time though? He’s still easily beating guys born in 2001-2003 who aren’t Sincaraz
 
At the absolute top, against the very best, every little advantage matters. The big 3 were so great that smallest of things mattered.

For Federer having to face someone 5-6 years younger was not just limited to the idea of physical prowess. It was also technical.

Nadal and Djokovic turned pro in 2003 and 2005 respectively. They already were being coached to adapt and counter the shift from SnV to baseline : Be the strongest from the baseline.

Federer turned pro in 1998. The formative years of his generation on the other hand was primarily trained to tackle SnV.

Then came polyester strings and changed everything. Both Federer 's gen and Djokodal gen had to adapt , most of Federer's generation did it while on tour and Djokodal gen did it while in very young juniors/ training yesrs but Djokodal gen already were developing the game more suited to it.


As someone pointed out, Even Djokovic 2023 would have a nightmare time facing his own 2018-19 version.

But Federer's failures against Novak can't just be chalked up to age. Novak had way too many wins even before 2011 for that. And then time and again Novak proved he was mentally stronger.

Novak had the edge both level wise and from mental toughness standpoint.
 
Kralingen said:
How do you not see that he’s incredibly lucky they’re 16 and 14 years younger rather than, say, 6 and 4?

Imagine a peak Sinner and Alcaraz coming into their primes in the late 2010s. Not a single chance he gets to 24 in that scenario.

Roger had basically his entire 30s taken away by Rafa and Novak until 2017 happened. Novak got to feast on Zverev Medvedev Tsitsipas Ruud and Berrettini. Competition only showed up when he was already 36 years old. Everyone would take that trade off a million times out of a million.
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Alcaraz cruising through all those previous wimbledon finalists to win Novak in 2023.
 
The Guru said:
Fed had no ATGs in the generation before him or in his generation and Sinner and Alcaraz are the ones who are lucky they weren't born 4 and 6 years away from Golden Gen.
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Yes, Fed was lucky too.

But Nadal was already stopping him as early as 2005, so he didn’t enjoy a long time without the golden gen.

And I’d say is much worse to not have even 1 multi slam winner born after you for 14 years than not have one 6+ slam winner born before you
 
NoleFam said:
Yes, what Djokovic is facing is much harder. It's more specifically a 16 year age gap and then a 14 year 2 month age gap. The difference between Djokovic and Federer was 5 years and 10 months, nowhere near close to comparable. I really don't see how they can be compared tbh.
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The gap between Djokovic and Musetti is 15 years and Djokovic is still easily handling him.

It’s almost like the quality of players matters.

Thiem is 6 years younger and went 5-2 against Djokovic and pushed him to 5 at the AO. Imagine if he were actually an ATG
 
Razer said:
What do you mean by peak Djokovic couple of years younger ?

Peak Djokovic died after the french open of 2016, the Djokovic you saw from 2018 was past his prime Djokovic and the Djokovic you saw from 2021 onwards is more declined version and the Djokovic post 2023 is not even Djokovic anymore, it is an old geriatric caricature of himself.

What @Kralingen means to say is that if Alcie and Sinner arrived after the 2019 wimbledon then Djoko would not reach even 20 slams, let alone 24. The Bull would have vultured the Slams record from Federer because he would somehow won 2022 french open to make it 21. Scott Morrison open would have gone to Sinner but that french Bull would have taken and thus emerged the leader on 21.

Or maybe Novak would still have found ways to cross 20 but no way is he reaching 24.
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Lets not kid our self's , without corona bans and cancellations Novak would have 26 slams. 90 % favorite to win 2020 Wimbledon (Fed was out with injury) and 2022 AO (Rafa couldn't win a set from him on hard for eight years by that point in time) .
 
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ForehandCross said:
At the absolute top, against the very best, every little advantage matters. The big 3 were so great that smallest of things mattered.

For Federer having to face someone 5-6 years younger was not just limited to the idea of physical prowess. It was also technical.

Nadal and Djokovic turned pro in 2003 and 2005 respectively. They already were being coached to adapt and counter the shift from SnV to baseline : Be the strongest from the baseline.

Federer turned pro in 1998. The formative years of his generation on the other hand was primarily trained to tackle SnV.

Then came polyester strings and changed everything. Both Federer 's gen and Djokodal gen had to adapt , most of Federer's generation did it while on tour and Djokodal gen did it while in very young juniors/ training yesrs but Djokodal gen already were developing the game more suited to it.


As someone pointed out, Even Djokovic 2023 would have a nightmare time facing his own 2018-19 version.

But Federer's failures against Novak can't just be chalked up to age. Novak had way too many wins even before 2011 for that. And then time and again Novak proved he was mentally stronger.

Novak had the edge both level wise and from mental toughness standpoint.
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Or maybe Novak was mentally stronger because of the age advantage? Easier to be stronger mentally when you have the physical advantage.
 
mike danny said:
The gap between Djokovic and Musetti is 15 years and Djokovic is still easily handling him.

It’s almost like the quality of players matters.

Thiem is 6 years younger and went 5-2 against Djokovic and pushed him to 5 at the AO. Imagine if he were actually an ATG
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My boy #ThiemThiem used to wear Novak out :D

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Djokovic facing Sinner vs Alcaraz going foreward
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