Djokovic is a better player than Nadal at the US Open

[Antofer]

Titles:
Nadal 4
Djokovic 3

Finals:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 5

Semifinals:
Djokovic 12
Nadal 8

Win percentage:
Djokovic 86.2%
Nadal 85.3%

Wins over Big3s:
Djokovic 4
Nadal 2

Wins over top5s:
Djokovic 7
Nadal 4

Wins over top10s:
Djokovic 14
Nadal 7

Wins over top20s:
Djokovic 25
Nadal 10

 

[TheNachoMan]

2-1, bud. Own it and move on. Being salty doesn’t change the facts, bud.

 

[Subway Tennis]

"What it tells us?"

 

[RS]

Titles:
Nadal 4
Djokovic 3

Finals:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 5

Semifinals:
Djokovic 12
Nadal 8

Win percentage:
Djokovic 86.2%
Nadal 85.3%

Wins over top5s:
Djokovic 7
Nadal 4

Wins over top10s:
Djokovic 14
Nadal 7

Wins over top20s:
Djokovic 25
Nadal 10

Wins over Federer:
Djokovic 3
Nadal 0

What was the best Djokovic at USO?

 

[Dead Mosquito]

H2h 2>1
Titles: 4>3
I dont care the details

 

[MichaelNadal]

H2h 2>1
Titles: 4>3
I dont care the details

C'mon man, let them cope for a few minutes at least lol

 

[Backspin1183]

2-1, bud. Own it and move on. Being salty doesn’t change the facts, bud.

One of Nadal's titles is Berrettini Open. Let's not forget that.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Deleted member 788697]

OP too afraid to put a poll

 

[Deleted member 788697]

Nadal didn't even play the US Open in 2012, 2014, 2020 and 2021.
And he was defending champ in 2014 and 2020.
Still won more US Opens than Djokovic and looks mighty likely to win again this year

 

[clayqueen]

Titles:
Nadal 4
Djokovic 3

Finals:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 5

Semifinals:
Djokovic 12
Nadal 8

Win percentage:
Djokovic 86.2%
Nadal 85.3%

Wins over top5s:
Djokovic 7
Nadal 4

Wins over top10s:
Djokovic 14
Nadal 7

Wins over top20s:
Djokovic 25
Nadal 10

Wins over Federer:
Djokovic 3
Nadal 0

USO Titles: Rafa 4, Djoker 3

 

[RS]

Djokovic USO 11 SF vs Nadal USO 13 QF?

 

[Nadal - GOAT]

Titles:
Nadal 4
Djokovic 3

Finals:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 5

Semifinals:
Djokovic 12
Nadal 8

Win percentage:
Djokovic 86.2%
Nadal 85.3%

Wins over top5s:
Djokovic 7
Nadal 4

Wins over top10s:
Djokovic 14
Nadal 7

Wins over top20s:
Djokovic 25
Nadal 10

Wins over Federer:
Djokovic 3
Nadal 0

All the numbers tells me is that USO performance is the most frustrating open for Novak.
Despite 9 finals he has only 3 titles. Nadal is more clinical here. 4 titles in 5 finals. Also has missed several USO.
This must be hard to cope with for Novak fans. Wish you peace of mind

 

[NeutralFan]

Well, no finals give you extra slams. Ask Fed , will he take an extra Wimbledon over all those finals he lost?

 

[NeutralFan]

You should be banned for derailing every thread with your hypotheticals. Mods ? how long will we endure @RS derailing every single thread with his hypotheticals??

Djokovic USO 11 SF vs Nadal USO 13 QF?

 

[LetWinner]

I don’t really get the wins against Fed stat considering the reason they never met up at the USO was that once Nadal was able to make it deep into USO tournaments, Fed wasn’t able to anymore (except 2014 and 2015)

 

[Deleted member 762343]

The Nadal vs Djokovic at USO debate is a tricky one and a bit of an anomaly. Let's see if Djokovic can make it to 4 titles first.

 

[scotus]

Novak has definitely underachieved at the USO.

I expect better from him.

 

[Sport]

Winning percentage in USO finals:

Nadal: 75%
Djokovic: 33%

Nadal is clutch In USO finals, Djokovic is as unclutch in the USO finals as it can get. In NBA circles, LeBron James is mocked because of his low winning percentage in Slam finals. LeBron has won 4 out of 10 NBA finals (40%), while Michael Jordan has won 6 out of 6 NBA finals (100%). In other words, NBA fans appreciate more the total titles and winning percentage as a sign of clutchness than losing extra finals.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Novak has definitely underachieved at the USO.

I expect better from him.

It's still beyond me how he can be 3-6 in finals. Nadal in 2010 was unstoppable but Djokovic could have done better in 2013, same in 2012 against Murray. And let's not talk about the bizarre loss to Nishikori in 2014 SF.

 

[InsideOut900]

It's still beyond me how he can be 3-6 in finals. Nadal in 2010 was unstoppable but Djokovic could have done better in 2013, same in 2012 against Murray. And let's not talk about the bizarre loss to Nishikori in 2014 SF.

With a bit of sanitization, I can probably make it look a bit better.

In 2016 and 2021 he had no business making the final. In 2007-2010 he just lost to better players before his own prime.

2012-2013 can't really excuse that unfortunately.

His own overperformance in making USO finals became a reason for mocking him unfortunately.

 

[scotus]

It's still beyond me how he can be 3-6 in finals. Nadal in 2010 was unstoppable but Djokovic could have done better in 2013, same in 2012 against Murray. And let's not talk about the bizarre loss to Nishikori in 2014 SF.

And the complete loss of serve in 2021 final and the disqualification the year before

 

[zagor]

I think he's better but for the moment, Nadal is still greater there.

 

[The_Mental_Giant]

One of Nadal's titles is Berrettini Open. Let's not forget that.

And Djokovic wasted a final with the most pathetic path ever

R1: Dj def Janowicz 6-3 5-7 6-2 6-1
R2 Dj def Vesely w/o
R3 Dj def Youzhny 4-2 (ret)
R4 Dj def Edmund 6-2 6-1 6-4
Qf Dj def Tsonga 6-2 6-3 (ret)
Sf Dj def Monfils 6-3 6-2 3-6 6-2

Only had to play 13 and a half sets to reach the final still managed to lose against Wawrinka

Almost 10 sets less played than Wawrinka who went through 23 sets to reach that final

 

[tennis_pro]

H2h 2>1
Titles: 4>3
I dont care the details

3>2

dont count the Berrettini Opens

 

[One]

Nadal didn't even play the US Open in 2012, 2014, 2020 and 2021.
And he was defending champ in 2014 and 2020.
Still won more US Opens than Djokovic and looks mighty likely to win again this year

He wouldnt so anything if he wouldve played so... And you skiped to say that he didnt want to come to NY in 2020, why would you count that year?

 

[Deleted member 762343]

With a bit of sanitization, I can probably make it look a bit better.

In 2016 and 2021 he had no business making the final. In 2007-2010 he just lost to better players before his own prime.

2012-2013 can't really excuse that unfortunately.

His own overperformance in making USO finals became a reason for mocking him unfortunately.

I wouldn't say he had no business making the final in 2021, even though he was mediocre by his own standards. But yeah, he shouldn't have reached the final in 2016 and it's a shame he did in the first place, in the end it did more harm than good for his legacy. He still has a big statement to make at USO and the clock is ticking so it's now or never.

 

[Sport]

With a bit of sanitization, I can probably make it look a bit better.

In 2016 and 2021 he had no business making the final. In 2007-2010 he just lost to better players before his own prime.

2012-2013 can't really excuse that unfortunately.

His own overperformance in making USO finals became a reason for mocking him unfortunately.

Djokovic pre-prime at the USO 2010? LOL, that's a new one. It's not the same 2007 than 2010, 3 whole years later. Djokovic may have been pre-prime in 2007, as he had no Slam wins. But at the USO 2010, Djokovic was a Slam winner (on hard courts, precisely).

At the USO 2010 Djokovic was already at his peak. In effect, at the US Open 2009 Djokovic lost in 3 sets to Federer. The reason? He was not at his best. But then in the USO 2010 SF Djokovic defeated Federer in 5 sets, the same result that happened in the USO 2011 SF against Federer as well. The reason? Djokovic was already at his best both at the USO 2010 and the USO 2011.

Some people have created the excuse that Djokovic was not at his best during the USO 2010 just to dismiss Nadal's victory. It is not like Djokovic was non-peak the 31th of December of 2010 and suddenly became peak the 1st of January of 2011. Djokovic was already at his peak during the last months of 2010, beginning particularly at the USO, as demonstrated by his victory over Federer.

As for excusing the Medvedev's loss, you are better than that. Djokovic was unclutch. That's it. Novak had won 3 consecutive Majors, and was the best player in the world. While Nadal exhibited his mental strength and kept the faith in the 3th set against Medvedev in the AO 2022 final, Djokovic succumbed to pression and started to cry (losing all hope) in the 3th set of the USO 2021 final.

 

[WildRevolver]

He’s a bigger loser at the USO.

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

With the level of choking Djokovic does there, I'm surprised he has 3 titles

 

[Dead Mosquito]

Djo has choked at finals 6 times. Nobody's ever lost 6 finals at a single GS in the Open Era(maybe in the tennis history)

 

[hoodjem]

Winning percentage in USO finals:

Nadal: 75%
Djokovic: 33%

Nadal is clutch In USO finals, Djokovic is as unclutch In the USO finals as it can get.

This is an important statistic.

 

[ewiewp]

Djokovic has been unlucky at the US open while nadal had been unlucky at Australian open.

 

[El_Yotamo]

His own overperformance in making USO finals became a reason for mocking him unfortunately.

Somehow, I suspect it would be mocked less if there were less threads such as this one clearly aimed at baiting/trolling by "new users"

 

[nadalvamos]

Titles:
Nadal 4
Djokovic 3

Finals:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 5

Semifinals:
Djokovic 12
Nadal 8

Win percentage:
Djokovic 86.2%
Nadal 85.3%

Wins over top5s:
Djokovic 7
Nadal 4

Wins over top10s:
Djokovic 14
Nadal 7

Wins over top20s:
Djokovic 25
Nadal 10

Wins over Federer:
Djokovic 3
Nadal 0

If you want to make this argument, probably should not mention that part.....

 

[hoodjem]

Djo has choked at finals 6 times. Nobody's ever lost 6 finals at a single GS in the Open Era(maybe in the tennis history)

It seems like Lendl did something similar: he lost his first four slam finals before finally winning one.
And Lendl was in eight conscutive USO finals: losing the first three and the last two.

 

[nadalvamos]

3>2

dont count the Berrettini Opens

well, there goes Novak's Wimbledon 2021!

 

[RS]

You should be banned for derailing every thread with your hypotheticals. Mods ? how long will we endure @RS derailing every single thread with his hypotheticals??

It is related to the USO

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Djo has choked at finals 6 times. Nobody's ever lost 6 finals at a single GS in the Open Era(maybe in the tennis history)

He absolutely didn't choke in 2007 or 2010. 2016 wasn't a choke either as he was too weak to win to begin with. 2021 final is the literal definition of a chokejob.

 

[nadalvamos]

One of Nadal's titles is Berrettini Open. Let's not forget that.

then I guess Novak 2021 Wimbledon title doesn't count then!

 

[RS]

Djokovic pre-prime at the USO 2010? LOL, that's a new one. It's not the same 2007 than 2010, 3 whole years later. Djokovic may have been pre-prime in 2007, as he had no Slam wins. But at the USO 2010, Djokovic was a Slam winner (on hard courts, precisely).

At the USO 2010 Djokovic was already at his peak. In effect, at the US Open 2009 Djokovic lost in 3 sets to Federer. The reason? He was not at his best. But then in the USO 2010 SF Djokovic defeated Federer in 5 sets, the same result that happened in the USO 2011 SF against Federer as well. The reason? Djokovic was already at his best both at the USO 2010 and the USO 2011.

Some people have created the excuse that Djokovic was not at his best during the USO 2010 just to dismiss Nadal's victory. It is not like Djokovic was non-peak the 31th of December of 2010 and suddenly became peak the 1st of January of 2011. Djokovic was already at his peak during the last months of 2010, beginning particularly at the USO, as demonstrated by his victory over Federer.

As for excusing the Medvedev loss, you are better than that. Djokovic was unclutch. That's it. Novak had won 3 consecutive Majors, and was the best player in the world. While Nadal exhibited his mental strength and kept the faith in the 3th set against Medvedev in the AO 2022 final, Djokovic succumbed to pression and started to cry (losing all hope) in the 3th set of the USO 2021 final.

Djokovic USO 11 SF would beat Nadal USO 10 final in 5.

 

[nadalvamos]

Djokovic USO 11 SF would beat Nadal USO 10 final in 5.

how are you going to make an argument for Novak when he has fewer titles? Are we counting moral victories now? 2020?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[RS]

how are you going to make an argument for Novak when he has fewer titles? Are we counting moral victories now? 2020?

Djokovic leads Nadal in titles in Wim titles and people still make cases for Nadal peaking higher.

 

[Sport]

Djokovic USO 11 SF would beat Nadal USO 10 final in 5.

Untestable, therefore irrelevant.

 

[clayqueen]

And Djokovic wasted a final with the most pathetic path ever

R1: Dj def Janowicz 6-3 5-7 6-2 6-1
R2 Dj def Vesely w/o
R3 Dj def Youzhny 4-2 (ret)
R4 Dj def Edmund 6-2 6-1 6-4
Qf Dj def Tsonga 6-2 6-3 (ret)
Sf Dj def Monfils 6-3 6-2 3-6 6-2

Only had to play 13 and a half sets to reach the final still managed to lose against Wawrinka

Almost 10 sets less played than Wawrinka who went through 23 sets to reach that final

And Djokovic wasted a final with the most pathetic path ever

R1: Dj def Janowicz 6-3 5-7 6-2 6-1
R2 Dj def Vesely w/o
R3 Dj def Youzhny 4-2 (ret)
R4 Dj def Edmund 6-2 6-1 6-4
Qf Dj def Tsonga 6-2 6-3 (ret)
Sf Dj def Monfils 6-3 6-2 3-6 6-2

What sticks out is how fortunate Djoker was to get a WO from Vesely because he would not have made it past the 2nd round.

 

[DIMI_D]

Titles:
Nadal 4
Djokovic 3

Finals:
Djokovic 9
Nadal 5

Semifinals:
Djokovic 12
Nadal 8

Win percentage:
Djokovic 86.2%
Nadal 85.3%

Wins over top5s:
Djokovic 7
Nadal 4

Wins over top10s:
Djokovic 14
Nadal 7

Wins over top20s:
Djokovic 25
Nadal 10

Wins over Federer:
Djokovic 3
Nadal 0

2-1
4-3.
bud LMAO

 

[abmk]

Djokovic pre-prime at the USO 2010? LOL, that's a new one. It's not the same 2007 than 2010, 3 whole years later. Djokovic may have been pre-prime in 2007, as he had no Slam wins. But at the USO 2010, Djokovic was a Slam winner (on hard courts, precisely).

At the USO 2010 Djokovic was already at his peak. In effect, at the US Open 2009 Djokovic lost in 3 sets to Federer. The reason? He was not at his best. But then in the USO 2010 SF Djokovic defeated Federer in 5 sets, the same result that happened in the USO 2011 SF against Federer as well. The reason? Djokovic was already at his best both at the USO 2010 and the USO 2011.

Some people have created the excuse that Djokovic was not at his best during the USO 2010 just to dismiss Nadal's victory. It is not like Djokovic was non-peak the 31th of December of 2010 and suddenly became peak the 1st of January of 2011. Djokovic was already at his peak during the last months of 2010, beginning particularly at the USO, as demonstrated by his victory over Federer.

As for excusing the Medvedev's loss, you are better than that. Djokovic was unclutch. That's it. Novak had won 3 consecutive Majors, and was the best player in the world. While Nadal exhibited his mental strength and kept the faith in the 3th set against Medvedev in the AO 2022 final, Djokovic succumbed to pression and started to cry (losing all hope) in the 3th set of the USO 2021 final.

djoko went 0-5 (0-3 and 0-2) vs fedal from USO 2010 final to end of 2010
went 10-1 in 2011
the peak in 2011 came as a result of DC win and off season training.
he only beat fed in 5 in USO 2010 because fed was MUCH worse in USO 10 compared to USO 2009 with 2 utterly sh**t ses. USO 2009 djoko ~ USO 2010.

so djoko was non-peak 1 day before USO 2010 and became peak starting in 1 day in USO 2010?nonsense.
just because you repeat your nonsense theory ad nauseum doesn't make it true.

 

[nadalvamos]

Djokovic leads Nadal in titles in Wim titles and people still make cases for Nadal peaking higher.

peak is not the same as the greater player. Nadal might have a higher peak at wimby, but most people would rate Novak as the better grass player due to his 6-2 titles. 4>3, Either be objective or count moral victories like 2020. You can't have it both ways!

 

[clayqueen]

Djokovic USO 11 SF vs Nadal USO 13 QF?

FAA has 9 finals in his career and 1 title so he's better than someone who has had 6 finals and 5 titles?