Djokovic is actually playing better than Nadal at the FO

NatF

Bionic Poster
If sinner had won that first set you and i know nadal wins in 4. You can’t red line all game against nadal. Only few have done that. Sinner’s game is mostly go for broke.

Sinner wasn't even redlining. Better players from yesteryear wouldn't need to redline against this Nadal.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
What an inane comment that completely glosses over Nadal's big decline since his heyday. Yes no one has won 13 FO, but that's irrelevant to how well he's playing today unless you think Nadal is as good as ever.

What you mean how’s he playing today? Doesn’t matter how he plays. He wins in RG! He would wipe the floor with players from yesteryear even with how he plays today. He always steps it up. This is a guy that lost a set to klizan in the first set and still won.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's been broken 8 times? Seems like quite a lot in four matches, especially seeing as he's not lost a set. Old'Dal on clay would be a false dawn with more competent players around.
Nadal's serve is terrible right now. So many double faults. Yet some think he can beat Djokovic. :-D :-D :-D :-D
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
What you mean how’s he playing today? Doesn’t matter how he plays. He wins in RG! He would wipe the floor with players from yesteryear even with how he plays today. He always steps it up. This is a guy that lost a set to klizan in the first set and still won.

would he wipe the the floor with Nadal of 2007 - 2010?
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
What you mean how’s he playing today? Doesn’t matter how he plays. He wins in RG! He would wipe the floor with players from yesteryear even with how he plays today. He always steps it up. This is a guy that lost a set to klizan in the first set and still won.

Klizen > Sinner confirmed.

IMO current Nadal has a very hard time beating the likes of peak Fed/Djokovic, Kuerten and some others. There's simply no one on that level to see where his game really is.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Klizen > Sinner confirmed.

IMO current Nadal has a very hard time beating the likes of peak Fed/Djokovic, Kuerten and some others. There's simply no one on that level to see where his game really is.

now you’re being ridiculous. The guy always steps it up when he has to. We have seen it a bunch of times already.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's serve has been PATHETIC. Seriously pathetic.
That is one of the reasons that the Spaniard's road might end in the SF this Friday.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Yet he beat prime djokovic a number of times on clay. Lol . Novak’s only a year younger .

Your reading comprehension is actually so bad lol. Prime Nadal beat prime Djokovic yes. But Nadal is no longer in his prime? What are you not getting here...Nadal beating Djokovic in 2013 has no bearing on 2021 beating 2013 Djok because Nadal is much worse now.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Your reading comprehension is actually so bad lol. Prime Nadal beat prime Djokovic yes. But Nadal is no longer in his prime? What are you not getting here...Nadal beating Djokovic in 2013 has no bearing on 2021 beating 2013 Djok because Nadal is much worse now.

Ummm how bad was he last year ? Lol when he destroyed djokovic? Djokovic looked good as well during his run. Last year nadal wasn’t in his prime. Lol . Plz stop embarrassing yourself. The guy’s still the best claycourter in the world.
 

Feather

Legend
Ummm how bad was he last year ? Lol when he destroyed djokovic? Djokovic looked good as well during his run. Last year nadal wasn’t in his prime. Lol . Plz stop embarrassing yourself. The guy’s still the best claycourter in the world.

You are not even getting what NatF is trying to say..
Last year Djokovic was not peak..
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
You are not even getting what NatF is trying to say..
Last year Djokovic was not peak..

So isn’t nadal? What’s his point? The fact of the matter is that nadal has beaten novak more than once during his prime already. Meaning Novak’s prime on clay. Nadal’s a better claycourter then everyone else.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Ummm how bad was he last year ? Lol when he destroyed djokovic? Djokovic looked good as well during his run. Last year nadal wasn’t in his prime. Lol . Plz stop embarrassing yourself. The guy’s still the best claycourter in the world.

You're projecting here if you asking me not to embarass myself lol. If you think Djokovic looked good relative to his best last year then you need your eyes tested.
 
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ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
You're rojecting here if you asking me not to embarass myself lol. If you think Djokovic looked good relative to his best last year then you need your eyes tested.

Did you see the French open last year? Heck many where picking novak due to the conditions and he got wiped out.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Solid post.

I think with Nadal he plays possum so have to upgrade his numbers somewhat. But ya if Novak dispatches Berrettini quickly I like his chances. But in the still 55-45 Rafa way.
 
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Tennisworld USA have said that Novak is technically the number 1 clay court player of this era and way ahead of Nadal because he has made 12 consecutive FO QFS and the most Nadal has reached are 6
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
He's able to step it up because he's been facing Thiem and post-prime Djokovic...
Nadal himself is post-prime. Post-prime Djokovic is easy for prime Nadal, but not for post-prime Nadal.

P. S.: Nadal has also been facing Schwartzman, not only Thiem and Djokovic. Schwartman had chances to win RG 2018, RG 2020 and RG 2021 without Nadal.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Nadal himself is post-prime. Post-prime Djokovic is easy for prime Nadal, but not for post-prime Nadal.

P. S.: Nadal has also been facing Schwartzman, not only Thiem and Djokovic. Schwartman had chances to win RG 2018, RG 2020 and RG 2021 without Nadal.

Post-prime Djokovic as well. Obviously prime Nadal beats prime Djokovic, likewise post-prime Nadal beats post-prime Djokovic. The question is if post-prime Nadal beats prime Djokovic which I think is far from clear.

Schwartzman is a good player on clay but nothing historically special, the fact you think he had chances to win the FO in the absence 9f Nadal says a lot about the field...
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Last year at RG, Djoko played better than Nads right up until the final.

Then somebody got bagelled.
 
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