Benjamin Rio
Professional
In 2011 and 2013 Nadal was in his prime. He lost to a better player the djoker. None the less Nadal was playing really well those years.
In 2011 and 2013 Nadal was in his prime. He lost to a better player the djoker. None the less Nadal was playing really well those years.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
What is up with this peak this and peak that crap, and that Djokovic never played Fedal at their peaks on their best surfaces? Have you forgotten Djokovic played Nadal at 2006, 2007, 2008, 2012 and 2013 RG? Have you forgotten he played Federer at 2007 AO, 2007, 2008 and 2009 USO? This is weak.
Djokovic beat Fedal everytime for each of his Wimbledon titles and history isn't going to care about this imaginary peak crap you guys come up with. It's going to care that he beat two of top three players in history to win those titles. Also, you keep trying to imply Federer was so past it in 2011 at 29 years old most of the year, and wasn't even 30 yet, yet Djokovic is now 31 and a 14 year veteran, and holding 3 Slams. Your nervousness and insecurity is showing big time, and it's not a good look.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
And that was a vulnerable Nadal in 2011.You repeat the same thing, but it doesn't address the conversation at all.
I thought that we are talking about when their respective peaks happened
As you wrote " so sad that Nadal's peak ended at age 23".
FYI, in 2011 Nadal was 25.
Peak is a code word for butthurt, a common feeling when fanboys realize that their idol legacy is in dangerYou repeat the same thing, but it doesn't address the conversation at all.
I thought that we are talking about when their respective peaks happened
As you wrote " so sad that Nadal's peak ended at age 23".
FYI, in 2011 Nadal was 25.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I've already explained it Nolefam. Go back to the beginning and see that I said Nadal peaked on grass before Djokovic. MW twisted it into me saying he never played them at their peak. Read before attacking. I was referring to Wimbledon and FO. Get it straight.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
And Nadal faced peaked Steve Darcis in his prime and lost.
U can't be goat when you've lost 1st rounds at slams like nadal did at australian open 2016 or wimbledon 2013.
YEC have to be taken into account like the consecutive Semi finals Finals number of weeks number 1 etc etc just shows how you dominated your era. Nadal doesn't have the numbers except on clay. King of clay with exceptionnal results on other surface but nowhere near Fed and the Djoker.
YEC ha
God forbid that I think that Nadal is currently GOAT or will be, if he doesn't win a lot more (not that I believe in that concept, but whatever).
Still, talking about peak levels, we have to call it like it is.
It is nobody's fault that these players had their peaks at different times, so I don’t think that it is so difficult to acknowledge that.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Ignore slams for a minute ,
,Fed is so much great to Nadal bcoz he has 6 WTF and more weeks at number 1 ,bcoz Fed fans say so ..
Novak is below Nadal even if he has 5 WTF and more weeks at no.1 - bcoz Fed fans say so...
And Novak is still 5 behind, I can’t believe that fed fans have stooped to trying to elevate Nadal to create a buffer between fed and Djokovic
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Nadal and The djoker have only one year difference. They've played each other at their peak. And the better player is Novak.
On the other hand, Fed is much older than Novak and he's 100% sure of losing nowadays to Novak.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I am a Fed fan and the Djoker is far ahead of Nadal in my opinion.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
The problem with the 5 behind is the fact that FED is not going to add much to his total and the djoker is on a roll and is only 31.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
You shouldn't have said it because it's not true and you know it. You know no one is going to let that fly when he played them plenty of times back then and earned his stripes. It just makes you sound like a real sore loser.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
First Six months of 2011 ,Nadal was 24 year old
I anticipated that you might hang on a technicality and thought about addressing that, but I was hoping that since I was vastly closer to what I am writing than you (he cannot have been 23 for that year either, can he, and if we go by your little remark here, he was even 22.6 instead of the 23 you gave him) you will find something more substantial to address.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Long story short .
Federer won just 4 Slams out of his 20 slams ,by beating Djokodal in final .
But Djokodal fans hardly mention it out of respect for Fed ..
But these fan boys are such haters that they will twist everything and start imaginary peak prime mental gymnastics game to prove that Djokovic or Nadal doesn't deserve their slams...
To put down Nadal on hard courts ,they use Djokovic .
And to put down Djokovic on clay ,they use Nadal ...
That’s the fear Novak has his on era and is a true competitor for feds throne
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea Nadal and Djokovic are less than one year apart and true rivals. Anybody using age or past their peak with comparisons between them has no legs to stand on. As far as Federer, I get it that he is older and not going to be at his best after a certain age but 2011 and 2012 should not be thrown around in that aspect, especially since Djokovic is ruling again at 31 and older than Federer was in those years.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
RS
Bionic Poster
Also faced Federer in FO 2011 which is considered to be one of his best CC performaces and he faced Federer in USO 2011 and Wimbeldon 2012 in his USO 2011-Cincy 2012 in his 75-7 winning streak too. And a great Nadal in RG 2014 as well.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Well as Fed fans say that Djokovic never faced Peak Nadal...il have to wait few more years until Djokovic wins more than 17 slams..
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
So you don't think Nadal was at his best 2005-2009 at the FO? Or that Federer was 03-07 Wimbledon? You are saying that as of 2011, Nadal was at that same level? Certainly Federer wasn't by 2014. C'mon man.
No they are not. 5 YEC = 7500 potential points = 3.75 slams
Ok. No need to get worked up. I am joking
Tennis_Hands
Banned
That is one assessment that not many knowledgeable people will share or make.
Maybe next time when you enter such conversation, you should start with that opinion, so that people know your starting position, and can decide whether to waste their time in arguments with someone with such an opinion.
I know that I wouldn't.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea it's something we know but I don't see many people going on and on about it like I see how people are on here trying to imply Djokovic beat past their peak and prime Fedal for most of his success.
Some of them are just really insecure and have gotten worse since the fall. You had some of them celebrating after Djokovic's loss in the WTF final and pretending this was the end of Djokovic, again, and he would decline rapidly soon. Well he shut that down quickly two months later. It's ridiculous the extent that some of them go to when they cannot accept other's success.
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NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yes this is correct.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Exactly. When I said vulnerable that means someone had a chance to beat him for once. Still fine form.Nadal was in excellent form in 2011.
Just not peak level on clay or grass.
Very funny post.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Why is anyone even talking about HC since the conversation began with Grass and clay?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
And he played Nadal 3 times at RG in those years so how did he not play him at his peak? And no Nadal was not better in 2005 than he was in 2012, and it's not even close and I would say 2012 was better than 2006 too. So he didn't play Federer at Wimbledon. He played him in other Slams back then which you failed to mention. Nadal was 24 and 25 years old in 2011 and that is young and clearly his peak. You are trying to denigrate Djokvoic's wins because Federer doesn't have them. It's pretty transparent.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Nadal was amazing in 2011. He won the FO and the final at Wimbledon and rhe US Open. He lost to a better player than him. End of the story
Tennis_Hands
Banned
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
See there you guys go again over and over again. Federer wasted his best years on clay facing a clay monster. Djokovic didn't have to deal with that in his BEST years. Same goes for grass with Nadal facing a grass monster at his BEST during his own best years on grass. Federer couldn't win RG because of Nadal and Nadal couldn't win Wimbledon because of Federer. Djokovic was a side note because he wasn't capable of beating them at that time. Those meetings have NOTHING to do with the point I'm making. Good grief.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I don't see him disputing that.
"Exactly. When I said vulnerable that means someone had a chance to beat him for once. Still fine form."
Nadal in 2011 was at his best. He was playing just as good as in 2010 for example. But he came up against a better player. No Nadal being vulnerable. It was the djoker being better than him.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
All of you are delusional, so there's no point. You're convinced Djokovic played Super great versions of Nadal and Federer for the majority of his slam wins and it isn't true.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Djokovic has faced prime Nadal at the FO. He faced him 7 times from 2006 to 2015.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Do you often twist the words of your opponents?
Because I can't remember anyone here claiming that "Djokovic never faced Peak Nadal".
Quite the opposite: he faced him and was comfortably beaten (talking strictly clay or grass here), not least because he hasn't reached his own peak there at the time.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
AT his peak the djoker didn't probably didn't play Fed at his peak because of the age difference but he surely did with Nadal.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I'm not repeating myself again.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Do you often twist the words of your opponents?
Because I can't remember anyone here claiming that "Djokovic never faced Peak Nadal".
Quite the opposite: he faced him and was comfortably beaten (talking strictly clay or grass here), not least because he hasn't reached his own peak there at the time.
True Fanerer said it..
That djokovic never faced peak Rafa on Clay ..
Read all the previous posts...
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Wasted his best years? What is that supposed to mean? Federer just doesn't match up as well on clay against Nadal as Djokovic does. The proof is in the pudding but you are too biased to see it. So Nadal in 2012 was not a clay monster? He lost 1 set in 22 matches on red clay that year and that was to Djokovic in the RG final. One set. Yet you don't think the level he was playing at 25/26 years old that year was his peak? Good grief is right.
Djokovic also couldn't win RG because of Nadal. He, like Federer, won it in a year when Nadal was not a factor so I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Like I said, Djokovic beat Fedal everytime for his Wimbledon titles. Everytime and Federer won it again after those final losses. History won't care.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Yeah Peak Djokovic played peak Nadal on HC. Nadal has always been great on clay. Not the same as young Nadal. I don't care what Santa Clause has to say about it.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
No dude that's you that twisted it into that. It started about 2011 peak Djokovic and that's what the measuring stick was. Not any meetings before that because it's irrelevant to the point genius.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Nadal in 2010 was not "Nadal at his best" when talking about clay or grass.
I agree that his 2011 level was comparable to his 2010 level (nuances).
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Be honest Fed in 2014 and 2015 was far from his peak and he still managed to get some decent matches and wins against the djoker at his peak.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He wasn't at his peak and I pretty much implied that in an earlier post. I said 2011 and 2012 should not be used to say Federer was so far off it. At the same time, he beat peak Nadal in a Wimbledon final as defending champ and he beat a resurgent Nadal last year.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
You are using some pretty low down tactics in this thread. I know who played who and when and what label to put on it. What you are doing is just silly because you have no arguement.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Nadal in 2010 was not "Nadal at his best" when talking about clay or grass.
I agree that his 2011 level was comparable to his 2010 level (nuances).
In 2010 Nadal had one of his best years on tour. If the Djoker hadn't stepped it up Nadal would have won everything in 2011.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
That's taken out of context on purpose. It was a carry over from another post.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Fed was nowhere near his level of 2005 and 2006.
In 2011 he was already struggling and facing players from another generation in their prime. Still he came up with some amazing matches.
He was winning in the first set against Nadal in the final of the FO but couldn't finish it of. He ran out of gas against Tsonga and the djoker at wimbledon and the us open.
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