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G.O.A.T.
I thought these sorts of conversations ended after the eighth gradeUnfortunately for the OP he'll still be the GOAT no matter what happens tomorrow.
I thought these sorts of conversations ended after the eighth gradeUnfortunately for the OP he'll still be the GOAT no matter what happens tomorrow.
You thought wrongI thought these sorts of conversations ended after the eighth grade
Noone else, that day, was going to beat Rafa in the 21 FO semifinal. I still think Novak was not fully recovered from his knee operation, at least mentally, in this year's Wimbledon final, which is why he tried rushing the net too much in the first two sets.Injured Nadal wasn't reaching the RG 2021 final, let alone winning the title, due to the aggravation of his Mueller-Weiss chronic injury. Look, when Nadal's foot is at his worst pain-wise, he loses to anyone, even to Shapovalov in Rome 2022 and can barely walk on the court. The same inability to run due to pain showed up in the RG 2021 SF, especially visible in the 4th set. Barely moving due to the foot pain, Nadal can't defeat anyone, csll him Shapo, Novak or Tsitsipas. At RG 2021, Nadal had not yet explored the anaesthetic injections on the foot option that he used at RG 2022 and the later radiofrequency ablation treatment (a procedure that implements heat on the nerve to quell long-term pain and th
at Nadal used right after RG 2022).
Eighth grade OPs deserve eighth grade responses.I thought these sorts of conversations ended after the eighth grade
That's trueThe biggest match of his career turned out to be RG21SF. Without that win he almost certainly isn’t the sole slam winner today
so, speaking about GOATs and OGs. what have all tennis GOATs (laver, borg, sampras, fed, nole) in common?This is not just another Olympic Gold like Murray's and others that will be fotgotten probably. This is the only trophy that "Goat" of tennis misses in his cupboard. The holy grail trophy of Novak Djokovic. To Novak this is the most importan match of his life. Trust me, Novak will play on Sunday as if it is a matter of life and death. He is ready to die on court. This will not be like WB final when he appeared like he spent the entire day fighting diarrhoea. Novak's motive in this match surpasses Carlos's by a light year. He will give it all to grab the golden medal. Match of the year incoming.
and even when younger, before he was G.O.A.T. and did not appear that likely to become it, Djokovic put Olympics equal or virtually equal to Slams. I know he said such before 2016 and before 2021 Olympics. Thing is, he says contradictory things about how much value he puts on the Gold Medal. But there are plenty of Novak quotes to the effect it equals a Slam. I think for Novak it is more important than just filling a "hole" in his G.O.A.T. In one way you are absolutely right. The only ATG or top-20 or former G.O.A.T. candidate who does not have a "hole" in his resume is Don Budge. Think about it - Federer, Nadal (inability to win indoors), Laver (WCT Finals), Rosewall (Wimbledon), Borg, Sampras, Gonzalez, Tilden, each has one, two or even three "holes", just to name top-10 players. If Novak wins tomorrow he will have everything covered, everything.He's not trolling.
While objectively Slams are more important, subjectively this is the nost important match of the year dor Novak. It's the only Big Title he lacks and with his obsessive mindset (which is what made him the GOAT, that sheer determination to win everything) he really wants to get it done to avoid having a hole in his resume.
Yeah, thread proposition is pretty farfetched. Most important of his career? Nah. Several, possibly many, more important or at least equal. But it is a big match for him He has been going for the Gold since 2008 Olympics. Bigger matches have to include 2016 RG; his RG wins over Nadal; the 2018 comeback at Wimbledon; 2012 AO versus Nadal; 2014 Wimbledon vs. Fed; 2019 Wimbledon vs. Fed; 2021 second RG; 2011 Italian Open F vs. Nadal; and I would also say that first YEC in 2012, which, w the finals victory over Federer, soldified his No. 1 ranking because there was a lot of chatter about maybe Federer being equal that year. And these are only the victories. I won't even start on big losses.Brother he is trolling
This match is most important now after nole has won the world completely
But even 3 years ago it was second Roland garros.
Until 2016 it was rg first
2014 was second Wimbledon.
2011 it was first Wimbledon
There are many who want to build the match up just so they can post vile ******** if he loses and op definitely is among them. These were the fans that were respectful even 2 months ago but the Nadal losses have broken almost all of them completely unhinged
There is not much reason to stay on this site tbh
As well as the cygs final.Yeah, thread proposition is pretty farfetched. Most important of his career? Nah. Several, possibly many, more important or at least equal. But it is a big match for him He has been going for the Gold since 2008 Olympics. Bigger matches have to include 2016 RG; his RG wins over Nadal; the 2018 comeback at Wimbledon; 2012 AO versus Nadal; 2014 Wimbledon vs. Fed; 2019 Wimbledon vs. Fed; 2021 second RG; 2011 Italian Open F vs. Nadal; and I would also say that first YEC in 2012, which, w the finals victory over Federer, soldified his No. 1 ranking because there was a lot of chatter about maybe Federer being equal that year. And these are only the victories. I won't even start on big losses.
i have no idea. i think no one knows, i think no one watched it. and i am sure it was an awful match.I missed the match, how’d he do? Good?
pat yourself on the back for calling itDo not fool yourselves to think otherwise. This is the match Djokovic has been dreaming of since 2008. He is a mature tennis player now and Im sure that this time he will handle the gigantic preassure that he has on his shoulders, wont he?
YEC doesn't beat getting to stand on a podium with a medal being draped around your neck while your national anthem plays.If Djokovic wins tomorrow, I will be very happy. However, I'll still have the Olympics below the YEC.
Yeah, thread proposition is pretty farfetched. Most important of his career? Nah. Several, possibly many, more important or at least equal. But it is a big match for him He has been going for the Gold since 2008 Olympics. Bigger matches have to include 2016 RG; his RG wins over Nadal; the 2018 comeback at Wimbledon; 2012 AO versus Nadal; 2014 Wimbledon vs. Fed; 2019 Wimbledon vs. Fed; 2021 second RG; 2011 Italian Open F vs. Nadal; and I would also say that first YEC in 2012, which, w the finals victory over Federer, soldified his No. 1 ranking because there was a lot of chatter about maybe Federer being equal that year. And these are only the victories. I won't even start on big losses.
Exactly what I thought. Made me happy he won.His reaction to winning speaks volumes.
This means more to him than most of his other slam wins, that's for sure. I've not seen him like that before.
Agree 100%. Novak has always shown a high level of patriotism. This one is for his country, and his own legacy.His reaction to winning speaks volumes.
This means more to him than most of his other slam wins, that's for sure. I've not seen him like that before.
The most important match of Djokovic's career was the 2021 US Open final. The Grand Slam trumps everything.
Comparing some one-time OSG winners and one-time Slam winners who were their contemporaries, who do you think will be remembered as greater?If my player is a contender for the gold: Most important match ever. Goat. history. Must have otherwise hole in resume.
Otherwise: exho, olympics not important, distraction, mugfest, etc etc.
Whatever.
Djokovic needlessly put a ton of pressure on himself to win these games, ever since RioDo not fool yourselves to think otherwise. This is the match Djokovic has been dreaming of since 2008. He is a mature tennis player now and Im sure that this time he will handle the gigantic preassure that he has on his shoulders, wont he?
Condolences, 'KingCarlitos' botching the biggest match of his career. Did he lose credibility with the loss to a 37 year old one legged player?Nah, biggest match of his career was 2021 USO Final and he botched it, The other one was Wimbledon 2019 since he would've lost credibility If he lost to a 38 yr old.
Djokovic was hitting all the super aggressive DTL FH attempts he was missing at Wimbledon and when he's doing that he's still an ATG caliber player so it says nothing about Alcaraz's level in a bad way that he forced both sets to tiebreakers.Condolences, 'KingCarlitos' botching the biggest match of his career. Did he lose credibility with the loss to a 37 year old one legged player?
When you say the world #2 and top seed beat the #3, it does not sound so unusual.The Dark Side?
Black Magic afoot?
Pact with the Devil?
37-year-old, one-legged man beats 21-year-old world no. 3 reigning French Open and Wimbledon champion for Olympic gold medal.
Geez!
Can this era get any weaker?
That is why he is not saying it that way. It simply doesn't sell newspapers.When you say the world #2 and top seed beat the #3, it does not sound so unusual.
Was a bit of sarcasm aimed at King Carlitos comment: "Nah, biggest match of his career was 2021 USO Final and he botched it, The other one was Wimbledon 2019 since he would've lost credibility If he lost to a 38 yr old."Djokovic was hitting all the super aggressive DTL FH attempts he was missing at Wimbledon and when he's doing that he's still an ATG caliber player so it says nothing about Alcaraz's level in a bad way that he forced both sets to tiebreakers.
That is why he is not saying it that way. It simply doesn't sell newspapers.
Nadal for most of his career from 2006-2020 except possibly 2015 would have easily beaten the current Djokovic at Roland Garros. Djokovic won because he played tennis better than Alcaraz on Sunday and not because of some mental magic - would not have been enough against prime Nadal on Philippe Chartrier.I agree, no one, no prime Fed or Nadal or anyone else were going to beat the Goat in the Olympic final,
why just at slams? if you referring to their overall h2h (+2 to nole). it is 15-13 in finals to nole. considering that out of their 60 matches 29 were on clay it's the fact that nole has been better vs rafa on clay (9-20, 31%) than rafa has vs him on HC (7-20, 26%) is the key to nole's positive h2h and the fact that they have played more matches on clay than on HC (29 vs 27) leaves no excuses for rafa.It is now obvious that the most important matches of Djokovic's career were any time he faced Nadal in the latter stages of a slam, given that any Djokovic win over Nadal that was flipped would have likely (or assuredly, in the case of grand slam finals) resulted in a tie on top the leaderboard as opposed to a +2 (for the moment, anyway).
why just at slams? if you referring to their overall h2h (+2 to nole). it is 15-13 in finals to nole. considering that out of their 60 matches 29 were on clay it's the fact that nole has been better vs rafa on clay (9-20) than rafa has vs him on HC (7-20) is the key to nole's positive h2h and the fact that they have played more matches on clay than on HC (29 vs 27) leaves no excuses for rafa.
Keep dreaming, Novak has beaten Rafa a few times, he would not have beaten Novak at this level with his focus and determination.Nadal for most of his career from 2006-2020 except possibly 2015 would have easily beaten the current Djokovic at Roland Garros. Djokovic won because he played tennis better than Alcaraz on Sunday and not because of some mental magic - would not have been enough against prime Nadal on Philippe Chartrier.
it was both: great level of play of great mental strength.Nadal for most of his career from 2006-2020 except possibly 2015 would have easily beaten the current Djokovic at Roland Garros. Djokovic won because he played tennis better than Alcaraz on Sunday and not because of some mental magic - would not have been enough against prime Nadal on Philippe Chartrier.