Djokovic is going for history

#1
After yesterdays match I've been thinking why Djokovic looks unbeatable at the slams but so beatable outside of it: I have realized it's no coincidence actually.

I'm not saying he is losing on purpose or tanking, I just think if the day is not right for him especially in the early rounds; he won't kill himself to get the win. On the other hand, it's different if it is a slam.

Djokovic has one goal in mind: and that is to go for history and capture the CYGS but also 6 majors in a row. Closest goal in hand is four in a row for a record breaking 2nd time.

Now I'm not saying that will happen, we have to wait and see, but Djokovic has made up his mind on where he wants to end up in history and he has made up his plan. Can he do it? Lets see. But he is certain on his goal.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
#7
Yes. But he has off Days in slams aswell yet he is never in any danger. Djokovic is different there somehow. I can't pinpoint it.
If he's different in slams then the main reason is because it's BO5. Kohly would've had to win one more entire set to win that match yesterday if it was BO5 for example, and who would've bet on that? Not me I can tell you that much.
 
#11
If he's different in slams then the main reason is because it's BO5. Kohly would've had to win one more entire set to win that match yesterday if it was BO5 for example, and who would've bet on that? Not me I can tell you that much.
Thats a good point but im not sure he would let it go that far in the first place thats what I mean.
 
#13
I have a hard time believing he doesn’t try his best when he breaks his racquets. When he clearly doesn’t try, he’s like a dead zombie walking on the court and doesn’t bother reacting when losing a point. We saw that against Zverev in WTF final.
 
#18
After yesterdays match I've been thinking why Djokovic looks unbeatable at the slams but so beatable outside of it: I have realized it's no coincidence actually.

I'm not saying he is losing on purpose or tanking, I just think if the day is not right for him especially in the early rounds; he won't kill himself to get the win. On the other hand, it's different if it is a slam.

Djokovic has one goal in mind: and that is to go for history and capture the CYGS but also 6 majors in a row. Closest goal in hand is four in a row for a record breaking 2nd time.

Now I'm not saying that will happen, we have to wait and see, but Djokovic has made up his mind on where he wants to end up in history and he has made up his plan. Can he do it? Lets see. But he is certain on his goal.
Two things

(1) BO3 and BO5 - big difference - take him as a marathon man. An endurance guy.

(2) Planning and periodisation

Pick your goal and work your strategy and training backwards to be able to peak.
 

3lite

Professional
#21
After yesterdays match I've been thinking why Djokovic looks unbeatable at the slams but so beatable outside of it: I have realized it's no coincidence actually.

I'm not saying he is losing on purpose or tanking, I just think if the day is not right for him especially in the early rounds; he won't kill himself to get the win. On the other hand, it's different if it is a slam.

Djokovic has one goal in mind: and that is to go for history and capture the CYGS but also 6 majors in a row. Closest goal in hand is four in a row for a record breaking 2nd time.

Now I'm not saying that will happen, we have to wait and see, but Djokovic has made up his mind on where he wants to end up in history and he has made up his plan. Can he do it? Lets see. But he is certain on his goal.
He's playing doubles at Indian Wells.

Now delete this thread and save yourself the embarrassment.
 
#22
I have a hard time believing he doesn’t try his best when he breaks his racquets. When he clearly doesn’t try, he’s like a dead zombie walking on the court and doesn’t bother reacting when losing a point. We saw that against Zverev in WTF final.
The effect/end result (losing the match against the betting odds) being the same does not imply the cause is the same.

He can surely lose a match as in implementation of an idea/concept/plan. The question is who's idea it is. Hence, the difference in appearance indicating different authors.
 
#26

Djokovic is going for history by losing in the 2R of a masters 1000? what record is he going for? the most amount of masters 1000 losses as an ATG? LOL

perhaps he should focus on losing in the first round in every masters 1000 to look even better instead ROFL
 
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uscwang

Hall of Fame
#27
After yesterdays match I've been thinking why Djokovic looks unbeatable at the slams but so beatable outside of it: I have realized it's no coincidence actually.

I'm not saying he is losing on purpose or tanking, I just think if the day is not right for him especially in the early rounds; he won't kill himself to get the win. On the other hand, it's different if it is a slam.

Djokovic has one goal in mind: and that is to go for history and capture the CYGS but also 6 majors in a row. Closest goal in hand is four in a row for a record breaking 2nd time.

Now I'm not saying that will happen, we have to wait and see, but Djokovic has made up his mind on where he wants to end up in history and he has made up his plan. Can he do it? Lets see. But he is certain on his goal.
That's a positive way to see things. I actually hope he skips Miami and plays MC instead. IW and Miami have not much purpose for him at this time of season and this stage of his career.

A few factors add up to his loss to Kohlschreiber:
He had a long and nice break from tennis after winning AO, and is therefore rusty on court.
The match was moved from Tue evening to Wed afternoon due to rain, about 3 days after his R2 match and in less favorable condition (day compared to night session).
I was about to say Kohlschreiber is a solid, consistent player, but then he lost to Monfils 0 and 2 ...
The mess surrounding the ATP players council voting not to extend contract with the current ATP president/CEO. When Federer publicly confronted him about the matter, I thought it would likely mess up Novak's tournament. Good it happens at a "cool-down" event for GS.
 
#28
How is that when Big 4 losses a match we always try to find one particular reason which made him lose on that particular day and just dont admit that the other player was simply better?!

I mean when Kohsclreiber, Monfils, Wawrinka lose 10-15 matches in a row against the Big 4 we are not thinking 'well they could have family problems, they could have had a flu, his girlfriend found that he cheated minutes before the match, his parents divorced' but NO, we just accept the idea that the Big 4 are gods and nobody could touch them. This is such a ******** perspective ...

Not to mention how stupid is the whole idea - Djokovic comes out to play a competitive match at one of the best tournaments against a veteran quality player and he is somehow thinking "well I would give 10-15% less here so that I can preserve my energy for the Slams which are months away".
Those guys are that good because they want to win every single big tournament!!! We give them big aplause for what their achieve but when a opponent is able to beat them, overcoming that incredible energy that drives Djokovic, Nadal, Federer we just say .. 'Nahh, Djokovic just underestimate him'
 
#29
Djoker could honestly do with taking his foot off the pedal in the first half of the season. Further IW/Miami and especially clay Masters wins won't move the needle much for him in the GOAT stakes, although another RG or two would be very helpful.

What he needs to do most is go on a couple more second-half tears winning Wimbledon, USO, WTF and 1-2 Masters. He's more than good enough at those to try for a strategy like that and if he pulls it off he could end up with a viable GOAT claim, assuming he breaks the handful of specific records needed for that in the process.
 
#34
He doesn’t try hard enough in non majors ? LOL

Guy was throwing racket to the fence even in the doubles match that occurred soon after the Kohli Carnage

The losses first come in Bo3 , soon BO5 will follow. It is obvious if we watch the sport for a long time But some of us have started watching only from 2011
 
#35
No, that would be bad mojo, trying to play less than optimal and then be mentally ready for a GS.

He lost to a very on point Kohlshcreiber. End of story. He pulled out his ol’ drama bag to make it seem like fatigue. Unfortunately that will also be the MO in GS matches so there is a chink in that armor.


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mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#38
I never said he is conceding.



Yes. But he has off Days in slams aswell yet he is never in any danger. Djokovic is different there somehow. I can't pinpoint it.
It's very simple:

1. Djokovic has to be beyond terrible to be upset in slams where the other guy would have to win 3 sets off him.

2. Today's guys are just not good enough to beat him in slams once he reaches the QF or SF.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#41
After yesterdays match I've been thinking why Djokovic looks unbeatable at the slams but so beatable outside of it: I have realized it's no coincidence actually.

I'm not saying he is losing on purpose or tanking, I just think if the day is not right for him especially in the early rounds; he won't kill himself to get the win. On the other hand, it's different if it is a slam.

Djokovic has one goal in mind: and that is to go for history and capture the CYGS but also 6 majors in a row. Closest goal in hand is four in a row for a record breaking 2nd time.

Now I'm not saying that will happen, we have to wait and see, but Djokovic has made up his mind on where he wants to end up in history and he has made up his plan. Can he do it? Lets see. But he is certain on his goal.
So he stopped trying in finals all of a sudden? Remember: his previous 2 losses were in finals.
 
#43
After yesterdays match I've been thinking why Djokovic looks unbeatable at the slams but so beatable outside of it: I have realized it's no coincidence actually.

I'm not saying he is losing on purpose or tanking, I just think if the day is not right for him especially in the early rounds; he won't kill himself to get the win. On the other hand, it's different if it is a slam.

Djokovic has one goal in mind: and that is to go for history and capture the CYGS but also 6 majors in a row. Closest goal in hand is four in a row for a record breaking 2nd time.

Now I'm not saying that will happen, we have to wait and see, but Djokovic has made up his mind on where he wants to end up in history and he has made up his plan. Can he do it? Lets see. But he is certain on his goal.
WOW HOW INSPIRING ND-16. HOW INSPIRING.



I more or less agree. That's why the lacklustre showing wasn't surprising in IW and I don't expect him to win Miami either. I guess his plan is to ramp it up for RG.


I think that would be the wrong decision. He's better off making sure he's absolutely primed for Wimbledon and carries that through to the USO for another 3-Slam season. But he's ambitious so he'll go for RG in like, a really really big way. Hopefully he sticks it to Rafa rather than submitting to him and then ruining Fed's chances of a last Major.
 
#45
We have a sample size of what, ten tournaments? He's won 3 slams and 2 masters since his comeback. Offhand I can list five losses in that period - to Tsitsipas in Canada, Khachanov in Paris, Zverev at WTF, RBA in Qatar, and now Kohli. That's a good record. He's 31 and still winning, but guess what - he's not going to win always. This is his bonus, just like everything for Federer since 2010.

I guess that's what's hard to accept, huh, that it makes you reexamine your priors and accept that Federer in 14-15 wasn't his best.
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
#46
Meh. I think it's just more likely that the margins are much smaller over best of 3 sets and guys can compete/get lucky much easier with the top guys both physically and mentally.

Zverev has proven like maybe nobody in the history of the game the absolute gulf in difference between best of 3 and best of 5, and when it comes down to it the latter form is where true greatness outs.

Djokovic is better than everyone else right now, and so he keeps winning (easily) in the majors. It's much easier for guys to have belief against him when they're not faced with the prospect of taking 3 sets.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#47
How is that when Big 4 losses a match we always try to find one particular reason which made him lose on that particular day and just dont admit that the other player was simply better?!

I mean when Kohsclreiber, Monfils, Wawrinka lose 10-15 matches in a row against the Big 4 we are not thinking 'well they could have family problems, they could have had a flu, his girlfriend found that he cheated minutes before the match, his parents divorced' but NO, we just accept the idea that the Big 4 are gods and nobody could touch them. This is such a ******** perspective ...

Not to mention how stupid is the whole idea - Djokovic comes out to play a competitive match at one of the best tournaments against a veteran quality player and he is somehow thinking "well I would give 10-15% less here so that I can preserve my energy for the Slams which are months away".
Those guys are that good because they want to win every single big tournament!!! We give them big aplause for what their achieve but when a opponent is able to beat them, overcoming that incredible energy that drives Djokovic, Nadal, Federer we just say .. 'Nahh, Djokovic just underestimate him'
Like your sentiments, but Djoko did look horrible for this one so I’m not ready to praise Kohly who did choke serving out match first time.
 
#48
Meh. I think it's just more likely that the margins are much smaller over best of 3 sets and guys can compete/get lucky much easier with the top guys both physically and mentally.

Zverev has proven like maybe nobody in the history of the game the absolute gulf in difference between best of 3 and best of 5, and when it comes down to it the latter form is where true greatness outs.

Djokovic is better than everyone else right now, and so he keeps winning (easily) in the majors. It's much easier for guys to have belief against him when they're not faced with the prospect of taking 3 sets.
I really don't buy this. Kohlschreiber won in straight sets - do you think Djokovic would have won the next 3 sets?
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#50
Djoker could honestly do with taking his foot off the pedal in the first half of the season. Further IW/Miami and especially clay Masters wins won't move the needle much for him in the GOAT stakes, although another RG or two would be very helpful.

What he needs to do most is go on a couple more second-half tears winning Wimbledon, USO, WTF and 1-2 Masters. He's more than good enough at those to try for a strategy like that and if he pulls it off he could end up with a viable GOAT claim, assuming he breaks the handful of specific records needed for that in the process.
For me this performance at slow IW is strong indication his recent fortunes on clay won’t change much. Better seeding will help him this year, but a year older won’t help on clay. Agree he should focus on Wimby and beyond, maybe snag Miami. Looks like too much time off once again hasn’t helped his form any.:sneaky:
 
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