djokovic is king of australia , because stupid Plexicushion

skypadq

Hall of Fame
i am still don 't understand why the aus open changed
Rebound Ace to plexicushhion
rebound ace was by far perpect court surface form roger federer
even fernando gonzlez beat straight set in rafael nadal in 2007 AO QF
just 3-0 win form gonzo ( score line was 6-2 6-4 6- 3 )
2007 , federer won without a drop set in aus open
and suddenly aus open changed court surface to plexicushion
why ? they hate federer for what ?





this is whole lot a diffrence
ball bounce was total different
Like grass and clay courts
look at the 07 AO QF nadal vs gonzo


Even if Nadal's top-spin forehand continues to go to Gonzalez's one-handed backhand, he's going to win 3-0 even if he's defending with a slice.


Please don't be sarcastic
i am very seirous
why they did changed court surface ?
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
Then, of course, novak djokovic is free.
Djokovic rally better than Federer.
they shouldve keep the rebound ace forever
that happend , djokovic wins only one AO
So Novak has really only won 10 slams, and Fed has anywhere from 25-27? Should we also recalculate weeks and years at #1? Reallocate trophies and prize money?

Yes, I'm slightly exaggerating your point, as I find it ludicrous.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Rebound Ace was a poor surface IIRC. Got sticky in the heat. Plexi was much nicer on the eyes as well. I do think they made it a bit too slow in some years (hello 2012) but Federer won half his AO's on Plexi so I don't think he disliked the surface...
 
Can't tell if trolling or serious...

You already posted a ridiculous thread in which you actually claim that Federer is a VICTIM (your words) of the slowing down of grass on Wimby in 2002.

A victim that wins 8 slams there. 5 in a row. I am sure Federer must have been whining all the way to the bank about this terrible ordeal, having to win all those Wimbys.

Now you come up with another silly thread that is basically you whining that Djokovic has been dominating RF in the last decade.

Why not just be honest and rename this thread to "I really hate it when Federer gets beaten by Djokovic, and the ATP is evil for allowing this to happen".

Right?

The silliest fanboi thread in years.
 
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Deleted member 744633

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i am still don 't understand why the aus open changed
Rebound Ace to plexicushhion
rebound ace was by far perpect court surface form roger federer
even fernando gonzlez beat straight set in rafael nadal in 2007 AO QF
just 3-0 win form gonzo ( score line was 6-2 6-4 6- 3 )
2007 , federer won without a drop set in aus open
and suddenly aus open changed court surface to plexicushion
why ? they hate federer for what ?


this is whole lot a diffrence
ball bounce was total different
Like grass and clay courts
look at the 07 AO QF nadal vs gonzo


Even if Nadal's top-spin forehand continues to go to Gonzalez's one-handed backhand, he's going to win 3-0 even if he's defending with a slice.


Please don't be sarcastic
i am very seirous
why they did changed court surface ?
Listen man ... whatever courts you installed, Djokovic was going to beat Federer because Djokovic's prime coincides with post-prime Federer.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
No idea, best asking the tournament directors.

They slowed down AO, Wimbledon and USO.

then for some reason they never went back to fast balls at RG despite 2011 being the best edition there.
 
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Deleted member 744633

Guest
Utter nonsense.

Djokovic beat him there in 2008 and 2011, handily in straight sets. If RF was post-prime aged 26 and 29, then Novak and Rafa right now are playing in their wheelchair eras.
Agreed but if I say that, I risk attracting the wrath of some Federer fans so I took the safer route :-D I'm not as courageous as you are :p
 

vex

Hall of Fame
14-20 all had multiple ATG level players. Those slams are the slammiest of the slams
 
Rebound ace was not a fast court. Seles's most dominant slam was the Australian Open on rebound ace and she is slow court player far more than a fast court player. Agassi's best slam by far was the Australian Open on rebound ace and he is a slow court player way more than a fast court player.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
See post #20
The problems I see are manifold.
Logic tells me that some "eras" seem to be tougher than others, but how do you arrive at the determination of what is/are the inflation era(s) (sounds highly subjective) and how did you arrive at that reduction factor - whether .7, .9, or something else?
Shouldn't every era, or year, or major tourney be re-weighted, or is the difficulty of every other "era" or season perfectly weighted as is?
How do you know what is the weakness of the field and what is the strength of a single player or a group of players?
Will the record book be subject to (gasp) ELO ratings?
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
AO switching to Plexi was the greatest stroke of good fortune for Djokovic and for the game. 10-0 vs Big 4. 7 titles. 7-0 in semis and finals.

That surface was made for Novak Djokovic.
 

OldschoolKIaus

Hall of Fame
Slow ass HC suits Djoko and we all saw what happens when Djoko has to play on fast version of plexi:

AO17 and AO18.
Remember 2017? Istomin (LMAO)!
 
It is silly to think Federer would dominate any hypothetical hard court slam in the 2010s. Look at his U.S Open record this past decade on yet another completely different hard court.

Nadal would still struggle in Australia. He seems to just have a thing there for some reason. So Djokovic would still be the dominant Australian Open player of the 2010s regardless the court surface.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
The problems I see are manifold.
Logic tells me that some "eras" seem to be tougher than others, but how do you arrive at the determination of what is/are the inflation era(s) (sounds highly subjective) and how did you arrive at that reduction factor - whether .7, .9, or something else?
Shouldn't every era, or year, or major tourney be re-weighted, or is the difficulty of every other "era" or season perfectly weighted as is?
How do you know what is the weakness of the field and what is the strength of a single player or a group of players?
Will the record book be subject to (gasp) ELO ratings?
Paging @SamprasisGOAT to tell you about the true strong era king
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
i am still don 't understand why the aus open changed
Rebound Ace to plexicushhion
rebound ace was by far perpect court surface form roger federer
even fernando gonzlez beat straight set in rafael nadal in 2007 AO QF
just 3-0 win form gonzo ( score line was 6-2 6-4 6- 3 )
2007 , federer won without a drop set in aus open
and suddenly aus open changed court surface to plexicushion
why ? they hate federer for what ?
So, by your "reasoning" if a surface is changed, it must be a plot against Federer. This is operating from the belief that Federer is 1) targeted by anyone or group and 2) the tennis world needs to make his life easy. Both are provably false ideas borrowed from the book of a Federer-obsessed member with three letters as his screenname.

Can't tell if trolling or serious...

You already posted a ridiculous thread in which you actually claim that Federer is a VICTIM (your words) of the slowing down of grass on Wimby in 2002.

A victim that wins 8 slams there. 5 in a row. I am sure Federer must have been whining all the way to the bank about this terrible ordeal, having to win all those Wimbys.

Now you come up with another silly thread that is basically you whining that Djokovic has been dominating RF in the last decade.

Why not just be honest and rename this thread to "I really hate it when Federer gets beaten by Djokovic, and the ATP is evil for allowing this to happen".

Right?
Yep.

The silliest fanboi thread in years.
...and that's saying something around here, considering all of the "Federer vs." / "Federer has this record" type threads that are dumped by the boatload in this forum after he loses at one of the majors.
 
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SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Didn't Federer win AO '17 and '18? So AO must've begun the conspiracy against Fed just after the 18 tournament, in order to help Djokovic! Quite evident Djokovic is the favorite of the fans, organizers and sponsors down under, and everything possible was done to help him!
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
RA was a poor surface but better than synthetic grass that was being considered. AO wanted something Aust iconic so went with something not suitable for pro game.
Obviously it was slow as hell, one of the slowest HC at time. But it was highly variable in speed and bounce depending on the temp. Night matches played Med day Slow /Med. The bounce was little erratic. But what got it removed was it became sticky. Players started complaining about rolling ankles. Hewitt was very vocal that it was so Slow he couldn't hit through opponents.
Coming from slow high bouncing grass a fast med/hard court would have replaced it nicely.
Not resurface expert but plexipave was becoming the go to in Aust though it was applied differently. This stuff came out of left field. But better than syn grass.
 

powerangle

Legend
i am still don 't understand why the aus open changed
Rebound Ace to plexicushhion
rebound ace was by far perpect court surface form roger federer
even fernando gonzlez beat straight set in rafael nadal in 2007 AO QF
just 3-0 win form gonzo ( score line was 6-2 6-4 6- 3 )
2007 , federer won without a drop set in aus open
and suddenly aus open changed court surface to plexicushion
why ? they hate federer for what ?
So in other words, you only hate plexicushion because it supposedly didn't benefit your favorite player? Wah wah!

Just another TTW fanboy...
 
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