Djokovic is the best ever on 2 surfaces and top 2 another

[DjokoGOAT]

Best player ever on Hard courts. 11 slams, most masters ever, GOAT of Australia, thoroughly owned both main rivals at HC slams.

Best player ever on modern 2001- grass. owned both main rivals, 2-0 vs Nadal, 3-1 vs Federer. Federer was thought as the best on the surface but has been exposed 0-3 to Djoko peak for peak in finals.

2nd best player on clay ever behind Nadal for level. 7-8 peak for peak since 2011, 9 clay masters, won all 4 big clay titles, 5 RG with no Nadal.

HC: Djokovic > Federer > Sampras > Murray

Fast grass: Sampras > Becker > McEnroe > Borg

Modern grass: Djokovic > Federer > Murray > Nadal

Clay: Nadal > Djokovic > Borg > Lendl

 

[Atennisone]

Ok

 

[King No1e]

Ok

 

[skaj]

Best player ever on Hard courts. 11 slams, most masters ever, GOAT of Australia, thoroughly owned both main rivals at HC slams.

Best player ever on modern 2001- grass. owned both main rivals, 2-0 vs Nadal, 3-1 vs Federer. Federer was thought as the best on the surface but has been exposed 0-3 to Djoko peak for peak in finals.

2nd best player on clay ever behind Nadal for level. 7-8 peak for peak since 2011, 9 clay masters, won all 4 big clay titles, 5 RG with no Nadal.

HC: Djokovic > Federer > Sampras > Murray

Fast grass: Sampras > Becker > McEnroe > Borg

Modern grass: Djokovic > Federer > Murray > Nadal

Clay: Nadal > Djokovic > Borg > Lendl

2-0 vs Nadal on grass?

3-1 peak for peak vs Federer on grass? Federer played his peak tennis in 2014, 2015, 2019?

the clay part is the most difficult to follow

 

[DjokoGOAT]

2-0 vs Nadal on grass?

3-1 peak for peak vs Federer on grass? Federer played his peak tennis in 2014, 2015, 2019?

the clay part is the most difficult to follow

Wimbledon 2011, 2018 is 2-0 peak for peak on highest level on grass. I wasn’t counting baby Djokovic matches where he was ill.

3-0 peak for peak in Wimbledon finals vs Federer who only dropped 1 set between Wimbledon - uso final across 3 tournaments and confessed he was a better player than 2005.

Only Borg has an argument to be above Djokovic on clay. Lendl and Wilander would be a 0 RG and 0-1 clay masters in the nadal era.

 

[Backspin1183]

He's good but Kyrgios is better.

 

[StrongRule]

Another troll thread.

 

[Atennisone]

He's good but Kyrgios is better.

Istomin?

 

[Fedforever]

Federer was thought as the best on the surface but has been exposed 0-3 to Djoko peak for peak in finals.

You're saying that with a straight face?

Whilst people here are always arguing about fast grass and slow grass declaring that it became a wholly different surface just after Sampras stopped winning in order to discount him is a whole new level of crazy.....

 

[King No1e]

Wimbledon 2011, 2018 is 2-0 peak for peak on highest level on grass. I wasn’t counting baby Djokovic matches where he was ill.

3-0 peak for peak in Wimbledon finals vs Federer who only dropped 1 set between Wimbledon - uso final across 3 tournaments and confessed he was a better player than 2005.

Only Borg has an argument to be above Djokovic on clay. Lendl and Wilander would be a 0 RG and 0-1 clay masters in the nadal era.

And of course OP has never heard of Ken Rosewall. I am not surprised in the slightest.

 

[TheAssassin]

He has a case to be considered the best on hard courts. Other than that obvious trolling is obvious.

 

[King No1e]

You're saying that with a straight face?

Roses are red
Grass is green
Some people really think
He peaked in 2015.

 

[King No1e]

Best player ever on Hard courts. 11 slams, most masters ever, GOAT of Australia, thoroughly owned both main rivals at HC slams.

Best player ever on modern 2001- grass. owned both main rivals, 2-0 vs Nadal, 3-1 vs Federer. Federer was thought as the best on the surface but has been exposed 0-3 to Djoko peak for peak in finals.

2nd best player on clay ever behind Nadal for level. 7-8 peak for peak since 2011, 9 clay masters, won all 4 big clay titles, 5 RG with no Nadal.

HC: Djokovic > Federer > Sampras > Murray

Fast grass: Sampras > Becker > McEnroe > Borg

Modern grass: Djokovic > Federer > Murray > Nadal

Clay: Nadal > Djokovic > Borg > Lendl

Actually if Djokovic won the last match at RG vs Nadal, shouldn't that put Djokovic ahead due to the constantly evolving game? The previous losses don't really count for much because neither player had fully developed yet.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

You're saying that with a straight face?

Federer knows his body and playing abilities better than anyone. He admitted he was a better player in 2015 than 2005.

 

[Towny]

I think OP is a little confused. Djokovic is clearly GOAT on hard courts and grass, but I think he's being a little too generous to Nadal. Since Nadal and Djokovic have both been at their peak (both babies before 2011):

2011: DESTROYS Nadal in Madrid and Rome. Would have done the same at RG if the walkover didn't upset his rhythm, causing him to lose to young Federer in the SF

2012: His grandfather died, wrecking his clay season. We all saw what happened in the preceding 7 matches they played so all things being equal, the same would have happened here. Even then, Djokovic takes 8 games in a row off Nadal at RG before he was SAVED by the rain delay. Otherwise, Djokovic would have taken it in 5

2013: EMBARRASSES Nadal at Monte Carlo and clearly should have taken RG too if not for BIASED umpire Pascal Maria and the net incident

2014: Beats Nadal in Rome but is very sick in the final. Hardly Djokovic's fault. Given he won every one of their matches after the US open, I expect if he was healthy he would have won this one too.

2015: Crushes Nadal at Monte Carlo then STEAMROLLS Peak Nadal at RG.

2016: Routines Nadal in Rome before Nadal feigns injury to avoid a beat down at RG. Djokovic then easily wins the tournament, beating Peak Thiem and Peak Murray

2017-18 RG: Djokovic is in one of the worst slumps of his career and Nadal VULTURES 2 wins against him.

2019: Sure, Nadal gets a win in Rome, but he knows Djokovic is his daddy in slams. If not for playing Thiem in a literal hurricane with delays, Djokovic gets to the final with ease. Probably wins in a similar manner to the Australian Open final

Djokovic has had Nadal's number on clay since 2011, clear as day. Therefore, Djokovic is the greatest on ALL 3 surfaces. Truly the GOAT/BOAT

 

[DjokoGOAT]

Actually if Djokovic won the last match at RG vs Nadal, shouldn't that put Djokovic ahead due to the constantly evolving game? The previous losses don't really count for much because neither player had fully developed yet.

Peak for peak I think Djokovic is better than nadal on any surface arguably clay too over BO3, but I think nadal evolved even more in 2017-2019 on clay and Djokovic lost to Thiem.

 

[Fedforever]

Actually if Djokovic won the last match at RG vs Nadal, shouldn't that put Djokovic ahead due to the constantly evolving game? The previous losses don't really count for much because neither player had fully developed yet.

Maybe Nadal will retire, Novak can win the next two RGs and the OP will declare that Novak is the greatest ever on "modern clay".

 

[Fedforever]

Federer knows his body and playing abilities better than anyone. He admitted he was a better player in 2015 than 2005.

He may have meant that he used his abilities better, had more strategy etc etc.

But anyone only needs to watch some 2005 Fed to see the difference

 

[Third Serve]

ok zoomer

 

[skaj]

Wimbledon 2011, 2018 is 2-0 peak for peak on highest level on grass. I wasn’t counting baby Djokovic matches where he was ill.

3-0 peak for peak in Wimbledon finals vs Federer who only dropped 1 set between Wimbledon - uso final across 3 tournaments and confessed he was a better player than 2005.

Only Borg has an argument to be above Djokovic on clay. Lendl and Wilander would be a 0 RG and 0-1 clay masters in the nadal era.

So when he lost he was ill, and when he won 10-8 in the 5th he was owning his opponent.
Again, Federer's peak was 2014 and on?
Even on hard court, they both have 11 slams, Novak three masters more, but Federer one year-end tournament more and twelve titles overall more. Djokovic has an edge in their head to head, which is normal since they have played more matches when Federer was past his peak. (they all say that they are better players now than they were before, they don't "confess", it doesn't make them actually more dangerous for their opponents).
And you seem to know how many masters Lendl and other would have won, and probably how many Djokovic would have won in their eras...

Seems like your assessment are full of holes, don't you think?

Btw, was it you who wrote that Djokovic has the second best forehand of all time and possible the best?

 

[Centrius]

I agree Nole is the hard court king.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Clay: Nadal > Djokovic > Borg

I know you're an incredibly obvious troll, but hang your head in shame.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

I know you're an incredibly obvious troll, but hang your head in shame.

Troll?? Djokovic vs Borg on clay: 6-1, 6-2, 6-1.. Novak would let Borg win some games out of respect. Tennis has evolved since the wood racket moonball era of 70s-80s.

 

[Ray Mercer]

Somebody get rid of this Djokogoat clown

 

[maratha_warrior]

OP is a Fed fan , trying to create controversy here . .

 

[JaoSousa]

Insults and personal attacks because you don’t like my statistics and numbers?

Can’t handle the truth that Nole is the GOAT and Federer is the weak era fraud who lucked his way into 12 slams in a fairytale era.

What statistics? Here is a summary of all your posts:

Kiefer, Henman, Baghdatis, Weak era , Owns them peak for peak, Djokovic best, are you proud of me father Lew?

 

[JaoSousa]

OP is a Fed fan , trying to create controversy here . .

He loves Federer so much that he is trying to give all Novak fans a bad name...

 

[MichaelNadal]

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[maratha_warrior]

He loves Federer so much that he is trying to give all Novak fans a bad name...

Which Novak fan( in his right )mind will say that Federer was at his peak in his 3 Wimbledon finals versus Novak ( 2014,15,19) ??? .

This DjokoGoat guy is a massive Fed fan .

 

[DSH]

 

[DjokoGOAT]

Which Novak fan( in his right )mind will say that Federer was at his peak in his 3 Wimbledon finals versus Novak ( 2014,15,19) ??? .

This DjokoGoat guy is a massive Fed fan .

You disagree with Federer? He himself said he is a better player than ever in 2015. Djokovic evolved even more and took the game to new heights.

 

[Third Serve]

You disagree with Federer? He himself said he is a better player than ever in 2015. Djokovic evolved even more and took the game to new heights.

He said the same in 2013 when he was losing to all sorts of journeymen players and was ranked 8th. I guess Ferrer is just much better than peak Federer.

 

[TMF]

Delete thread

Ban OP

 

[ABCD]

Which Novak fan( in his right )mind will say that Federer was at his peak in his 3 Wimbledon finals versus Novak ( 2014,15,19) ??? .

This DjokoGoat guy is a massive Fed fan .

If DjokoGoat is a Federer fan, he would be the first one with whom I agree in great majrity of statements. Which human being in his/her right mind would question Federer' self-assessment?

 

[skaj]

I think OP is a little confused. Djokovic is clearly GOAT on hard courts and grass, but I think he's being a little too generous to Nadal. Since Nadal and Djokovic have both been at their peak (both babies before 2011):

2011: DESTROYS Nadal in Madrid and Rome. Would have done the same at RG if the walkover didn't upset his rhythm, causing him to lose to young Federer in the SF

2012: His grandfather died, wrecking his clay season. We all saw what happened in the preceding 7 matches they played so all things being equal, the same would have happened here. Even then, Djokovic takes 8 games in a row off Nadal at RG before he was SAVED by the rain delay. Otherwise, Djokovic would have taken it in 5

2013: EMBARRASSES Nadal at Monte Carlo and clearly should have taken RG too if not for BIASED umpire Pascal Maria and the net incident

2014: Beats Nadal in Rome but is very sick in the final. Hardly Djokovic's fault. Given he won every one of their matches after the US open, I expect if he was healthy he would have won this one too.

2015: Crushes Nadal at Monte Carlo then STEAMROLLS Peak Nadal at RG.

2016: Routines Nadal in Rome before Nadal feigns injury to avoid a beat down at RG. Djokovic then easily wins the tournament, beating Peak Thiem and Peak Murray

2017-18 RG: Djokovic is in one of the worst slumps of his career and Nadal VULTURES 2 wins against him.

2019: Sure, Nadal gets a win in Rome, but he knows Djokovic is his daddy in slams. If not for playing Thiem in a literal hurricane with delays, Djokovic gets to the final with ease. Probably wins in a similar manner to the Australian Open final

Djokovic has had Nadal's number on clay since 2011, clear as day. Therefore, Djokovic is the greatest on ALL 3 surfaces. Truly the GOAT/BOAT

Now do the same for Federer and Nadal.

 

[beard]

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Old metrics Fed fans loved and embraced long time ago... Now they are changing their opinion...

I agree Nadal fans should force that story the most

 

[MichaelNadal]

Old metrics Fed fans loved and embraced long time ago... Now they are changing their opinion...

I agree Nadal fans should force that story the most

And Djokovic fans like to pretend they wouldn't trade all those stats for more slams

 

[FatHead250]

Yikes... Federer is better than him on both grass and clay. Nothing better to expect from a troll like you tho. "Peak for peak" Your peak grass Djoko flies home in straights against peak Federer

 

[beard]

And Djokovic fans like to pretend they wouldn't trade all those stats for more slams

Well, no, I don't have nothing against "most slams equal goat", but frankly it's not great/perfect way to pronounce someone goat... Most important metrics off course...

To be clear, Rafa has some holes in resume, but he is not that far away of clear goat if he ends with one slam ahead...

 

[beard]

And Djokovic fans like to pretend they wouldn't trade all those stats for more slams

And to answer about changing... Believe or not I wouldn't change Novak's career for Nadal's... Never...

 

[MichaelNadal]

And to answer about changing... Believe or not I wouldn't change Novak's career for Nadal's... Never...

Lol good

 

[beard]

Lol good

What kind of reply is this? You said nothing...

On topic, op is troll whose purpose is to make Novak's fan base bad...

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

Best player ever on Hard courts. 11 slams, most masters ever, GOAT of Australia, thoroughly owned both main rivals at HC slams.

Best player ever on modern 2001- grass. owned both main rivals, 2-0 vs Nadal, 3-1 vs Federer. Federer was thought as the best on the surface but has been exposed 0-3 to Djoko peak for peak in finals.

2nd best player on clay ever behind Nadal for level. 7-8 peak for peak since 2011, 9 clay masters, won all 4 big clay titles, 5 RG with no Nadal.

HC: Djokovic > Federer > Sampras > Murray

Fast grass: Sampras > Becker > McEnroe > Borg

Modern grass: Djokovic > Federer > Murray > Nadal

Clay: Nadal > Djokovic > Borg > Lendl

. . What's with the dorky-looking guy in your avatar?.. .

Delete thread

Ban OP

. .So the OP's a trolling Djoko fanboy...

. . Look at you: .a fanboy in your own right calling for the mods to DELETE the thread altogether and BAN the OP? . What is this, Tiananmen Square?

. .

.

 

[Leandro2045]

And to answer about changing... Believe or not I wouldn't change Novak's career for Nadal's... Never...

Accolades wise you would be stupid not to.

You would have more overall titles, slams, masters 1000, olympic golds, ATP 500s, Davis Cups, Weeks in the Top 2, Top 5, Top 10.

Would have less Weeks in the Top 1, WTF's and ATP Cups...

While remaining the same in YE #1 and ATP 250s..

 

[beard]

Accolades wise you would be stupid not to.

You would have more overall titles, slams, masters 1000, olympic golds, ATP 500s, Davis Cups, Weeks in the Top 2, Top 5, Top 10.

Would have less Weeks in the Top 1, WTF's and ATP Cups...

While remaining the same in YE #1 and ATP 250s..

Of all mentioned on Nadal's side only slams matter, but difference is small and Novak's slam resume is more vertisale, with 5 Wimbledons...
Maybe I wasn't clear, but I included future too, which will be on Novak's side, IMO...

 

[Nadalgaenger]

OP obviously seeking a reaction.

BUT I think it’s fair to say that Nole could be top 5 all-time on all three surfaces. I don’t think anyone else can say that.

 

[timnz]

Best player ever on Hard courts. 11 slams, most masters ever, GOAT of Australia, thoroughly owned both main rivals at HC slams.

Best player ever on modern 2001- grass. owned both main rivals, 2-0 vs Nadal, 3-1 vs Federer. Federer was thought as the best on the surface but has been exposed 0-3 to Djoko peak for peak in finals.

2nd best player on clay ever behind Nadal for level. 7-8 peak for peak since 2011, 9 clay masters, won all 4 big clay titles, 5 RG with no Nadal.

HC: Djokovic > Federer > Sampras > Murray

Fast grass: Sampras > Becker > McEnroe > Borg

Modern grass: Djokovic > Federer > Murray > Nadal

Clay: Nadal > Djokovic > Borg > Lendl

Perhaps Djokovic is he best on slow hard courts ie Australian Open but he isn’t on fast hard courts. That’s either Federer or Sampras.

 

[Leandro2045]

Of all mentioned on Nadal's side only slams matter, but difference is small and Novak's slam resume is more vertisale, with 5 Wimbledons...
Maybe I wasn't clear, but I included future too, which will be on Novak's side, IMO...

I don't know about that, after all Rafa is the only one of the Big 3 with multiple slams on all 3 surfaces, neither Djokovic nor Federer have done it.

Nadal : 12 Clay Court Slams - 5 Hard Court Slams - 2 Grass Court Slams
Djokovic : 11 Hard Court Slams - 5 Grass Court Slams - 1 Clay Court Slam

He's better than Novak in both their best/worst surface while Novak is better than Rafa in their 2nd best.

I assumed you were talking about present time not future achievements because we don't know how that is going to panned out.

But yes as of right now you would be stupid not to pick Rafa's career ahead of Novak. It might change in the future indeed

 

[flutzingitaway]

Perhaps Djokovic is he best on slow hard courts ie Australian Open but he isn’t on fast hard courts. That’s either Federer or Sampras.

or Connors. I hate the guy but had the U.S Open been on fast hard courts all along he almost certainly has 7 U.S Opens, adding 75 and 77 which he lost to clay courters which never happens on a fast hard court.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Literally everything in OP is wrong, amazing.