Djokovic is the Melo of tennis

1477aces

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Both love NY (Djokovic just bought 2 apartments there), seem to not have as much passion for the game/winning than others, care a lot about their wives and family lives, and come from economically depressed and dangerous areas (Inner-city Baltimore and Serbia). Both are also currently in a slump; though it has been a multi-year slump for Melo. Both have questionable physiques (Melo is too fat, Djokovic is too skinny).

Of course, the title should read Melo is the Djokovic of basketball since Djokovic is one of the top 5 players of the past forty years, and Melo isn't even a top 8 active player legacy wise.
 
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Doubles

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This is an interesting thought, but I find it too difficult to compare an athlete who has had individual success in a team sport to one who has been somewhat dominant for the past few years in an individual sport.
 

jussumman

Professional
We are comparing a team sport vs an individual sport, bad idea.

Individual sport Djokovic is top 5 all time. Team sport Melo is one of the worst, maybe the worst team player in history? He belongs in 1on1 tournaments and only a dumb ass owner like Dolan would sign him to a max deal. Phil Jackson has lost all credibility and aura is completely gone. I can't believe there's Knicks fans who still watch this crap.

 

1477aces

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We are comparing a team sport vs an individual sport, bad idea.

Individual sport Djokovic is top 5 all time. Team sport Melo is one of the worst, maybe the worst team player in history? He belongs in 1on1 tournaments and only a dumb ass owner like Dolan would sign him to a max deal. Phil Jackson has lost all credibility and aura is completely gone. I can't believe there's Knicks fans who still watch this crap.


Oh I forgot that both have dietary issues as well; though in opposite directions.

You're forgetting that Melo was that dude in Denver, and really till 2013. Arguably should have been MVP then; he took a team with J.R Smith as 2nd option to 54 wins.
 

BlueB

Legend
and dangerous areas (Inner-city Baltimore and Serbia).
Serbia is by not a dangerous place at all (excluding Kosovo). You can walk downtown Belgrade in the middle of the night and be perfectly safe. Pretty much the same in any other town...

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swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Hmmm interesting. Ill have to think about this.
Huge B-Ball fan Cuse grad.
Melo fan San Antone and Knicks fan.
 

Incognito

Legend
Serbia is by not a dangerous place at all (excluding Kosovo). You can walk downtown Belgrade in the middle of the night and be perfectly safe. Pretty much the same in any other town...

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Serbia is Not a dangerous place for Serbs. Just like Albania is not a dangerous place for Albanians. :D
 

jussumman

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Oh I forgot that both have dietary issues as well; though in opposite directions.

You're forgetting that Melo was that dude in Denver, and really till 2013. Arguably should have been MVP then; he took a team with J.R Smith as 2nd option to 54 wins.
Oh I'm not forgetting. Denver realized they got fools gold in Melo and sold him. Sometimes you just get fooled.

A real all time team player James took the same pot smoking J.R. Smith and other former Knicks players like Shumpert to an NBA title. He's friends with Melo and he wouldn't want Cleveland to take him from the Knicks. He's not an idiot.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Melo has some discipline issues. he is the reality tv playboy. Banging hot chicas.
He however was epic in that 2002 National title run.
His games where he score 50+ are sick to observe.
He is def not a Greg the great Popovich type player lmao.
 

1477aces

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Serbia is by not a dangerous place at all (excluding Kosovo). You can walk downtown Belgrade in the middle of the night and be perfectly safe. Pretty much the same in any other town...

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It was dangerous when Djokovic was child, no? I thought he grew up during the break-up of Yugoslavia.

In the same way, inner-city Baltimore also was more dangerous at that time.
 

1477aces

Hall of Fame
Oh I'm not forgetting. Denver realized they got fools gold in Melo and sold him. Sometimes you just get fooled.

A real all time team player James took the same pot smoking J.R. Smith and other former Knicks players like Shumpert to an NBA title. He's friends with Melo and he wouldn't want Cleveland to take him from the Knicks. He's not an idiot.
Look, Melo was nowhere near Lebron level (or Djokovic level), but he was very good till 2013 ...

Lebron plays with Kyrie and Love, and again, is many times greater than Carmelo Anthony.
 

Purplemonster

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It was dangerous when Djokovic was child, no? I thought he grew up during the break-up of Yugoslavia.

In the same way, inner-city Baltimore also was more dangerous at that time.
Very true.

At the time people carried guns because there was a war going on in Serbia, what's the reason why people needed and still need guns in Baltimore and so many other locations in the US ??
 

jussumman

Professional
Melo is a career loser who will never win crap. Djoko is an ATG.
Well he won national title with Syracuse and then 3 olympic gold medals... I didn't follow college those years and have no idea how a team could win with a player scoring most of the points (usually if you score like 50+ your team sucks and you don't advance).

The Olympics pretty much Djokovic could have been on the basketball team, or legendary TW forum's own suresh even, and they would have won 3 Olympic gold medals, means nothing*
*edit (only in these circumstances of USA mens basketball it doesn't say much about one player on the men's team, not applicable to the other Olympic sports).
 
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AiRFederer

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Well he won national title with Syracuse and then 3 olympic gold medals... I didn't follow college those years and have no idea how a team could win with a player scoring most of the points (usually if you score like 50+ your team sucks and you don't advance). The olympics pretty much Djokovic could have been on the basketball team, or legendary TW forum's own suresh even, and they would have won 3 olympic gold medals, means nothing.
Olympics doesnt matter like you said literally put the starting 5 and then fill the roster with hobos and USA still bags gold. College gold is good and all but college basketball is always at a much lower level it is not even fun to watch unless there is something crazy going on.

Although i dont like the djoker, this thread is just dumb i think
 

BlueB

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Serbia is Not a dangerous place for Serbs. Just like Albania is not a dangerous place for Albanians. :D
Serbia is not dangerous place for anyone. Belgrade is probably the party capital of Europe. Thousands of young people, from all parts, come by busses every summer weekend to have good time. There are hardly any incidents worth mentioning.

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Serbia is not dangerous place for anyone. Belgrade is probably the party capital of Europe. Thousands of young people, from all parts, come by busses every summer weekend to have good time. There are hardly any incidents worth mentioning.

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This is correct.
 
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1477aces

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Olympics doesnt matter like you said literally put the starting 5 and then fill the roster with hobos and USA still bags gold. College gold is good and all but college basketball is always at a much lower level it is not even fun to watch unless there is something crazy going on.

Although i dont like the djoker, this thread is just dumb i think
I clearly state Djokovic has accomplished much more ...

This is kind of like calling Dimitrov baby fed, I think Melo and Djokovic share a lot of similarities in their stories/background.
 

1477aces

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Serbia is not dangerous place for anyone. Belgrade is probably the party capital of Europe. Thousands of young people, from all parts, come by busses every summer weekend to have good time. There are hardly any incidents worth mentioning.

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Again, Serbia isn't dangerous now, but it certainly was in Djokovic's (early) childhood
 
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VexlanderPrime

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Both love NY (Djokovic just bought 2 apartments there), seem to not have as much passion for the game/winning than others, care a lot about their wives and family lives, and come from economically depressed and dangerous areas (Inner-city Baltimore and Serbia). Both are also currently in a slump; though it has been a multi-year slump for Melo. Both have questionable physiques (Melo is too fat, Djokovic is too skinny).

Of course, the title should read Melo is the Djokovic of basketball since Djokovic is one of the top 5 players of the past forty years, and Melo isn't even a top 8 active player legacy wise.
If anything Djoker's passion has been too intense and caused him stress and outburst problems. Also, Melo sucks and cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as a multi-champion all time great. Tiger woods is a better comparison: would be GOAT contender, fell off a cliff with injury/mental probs. If Djoker doesn't get this turned around he'll be tennis tiger
 

TheFifthSet

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I realize you weren't comparing their abilities in their respective sports but I gotta say, Melo really isn't that good and never was. Decent player. Never a superstar.
 

SinjinCooper

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Probably a lot more in common with Tiger Woods. Not that he's Tiger's level as an ATG, but there are similarities in both their chases of the GOATs ahead of them, and their downfalls in the pursuit.
 

chrisb

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Both love NY (Djokovic just bought 2 apartments there), seem to not have as much passion for the game/winning than others, care a lot about their wives and family lives, and come from economically depressed and dangerous areas (Inner-city Baltimore and Serbia). Both are also currently in a slump; though it has been a multi-year slump for Melo. Both have questionable physiques (Melo is too fat, Djokovic is too skinny).

Of course, the title should read Melo is the Djokovic of basketball since Djokovic is one of the top 5 players of the past forty years, and Melo isn't even a top 8 active player legacy wise.
troll
 

chrisb

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This an interesting post. I played college basketball and coached the game for 50 years. Have been a Knick fan since 1950. I find it amusing that the discourse on a tennis site has become a forum to disparage a future hall of fame basketball player (Clydes words not mine). It is amusing on some levels the expertise that some have that never played the game and probably don`t really understand it. Lets use Hubie Brown as an example, a basketball genius in deference to myself who never played in the league. A superstar can be recognized easily by what other teams must do to contain him. The double team him, don`t help off him and triangle him when possible. By this criteria, Melo is a super star still. As Scotty Pippen recently said Melo is a great talent that Phil has failed to put the right pieces around, and he (Phil ) should leave. Or as the Truth Paul Pierce has said, Melo is the toughest cover in the league. Kobe actually said the same stating Tony Allen as the toughest defender , And here we have a group of supremely qualified ???? basketball experts disparaging him. Lets see your creds trolls
 
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VexlanderPrime

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This an interesting post. I played college basketball and coached the game for 50 years. Have been a Knick fan since 1950. I find it amusing that the discourse on a tennis site has become a forum to disparage a future hall of fame basketball player (Clydes words not mine). It is amusing on some levels the expertise that some have that never played the game and probably don`t really understand it. Lets use Hubie Brown as an example, a basketball genius in deference to myself who never played in the league. A superstar can be recognized easily by what other teams must do to contain him. The double team him, don`t help off him and triangle him when possible. By this criteria, Melo is a super star still. As Scotty Pippen recently said Melo is a great talent that Phil has failed to put the right pieces around, and he (Phil ) should leave. Or as the Truth Paul Pierce has said, Melo is the toughest cover in the league. Kobe actually said the same stating Tony Allen as the toughest defender , And here we have a group of supremely qualified ???? basketball experts disparaging him. Lets see your creds trolls
You don't have to have played basketball to recognize that a ball stopping black hole offense only guy, who plays sub par defense and has failed to lead reasonably talented surrounding casts to any kind of success is NOT an All Time Great Player in the same vein as Djokovic.

Being a fantastic scorer does not, by itself, make you a great basketball player.

The guy isn't a leader. He doesn't get his teammates involved in the offense with his ball stopping. And he plays no D in comparison to his contemporary ATG (Lebron).

Finally, you know how you KNOW he's not a superstar? The Cavs rejected a trade for their third best player (Love) in exchange for him. Then Phil shopped him out to the league like a used car and not a single team considered buying. That's in a league where you aren't relevant without a superstar. Which explains why the Knicks haven't been relevant during the Melo years

If my lack of coaching experience disqualifies my opinion, here's what his own coach thinks about him:

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/george-karl-trashes-carmelo-anthonys-personality-defense-memoir/#FvuRcBfZP17RFtEw.97
 
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chrisb

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George Karl tried desperately to keep him. He coaches no defense and himself is a troll. Try Coach K and Coach B at the Cuse. Or maybe J Kidd. LeRoid holds the ball on every play longer then Melo, except he has dribble drive moves. Melo is a forward so most of his moves are off live ball action. He holds the ball to see where the doubs are coming from and if the Off is going to react to that. MJ held the ball Kobe held the ball AI held the ball Bird held the ball. What universe you living in. Read the MIT analytics on def efficiency you will note that Melo is one of the highest rated post defenders and top 3 in the 3 position for ball defense. Try using facts instead of listening to Stevie Smith on ESPN a bench scrub of a player
 

chrisb

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Carmelo Anthony 10 time all star playing for the NY Knicks NBA basketball team. Melo yellow was a good song a long long time ago
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
This an interesting post. I played college basketball and coached the game for 50 years. Have been a Knick fan since 1950. I find it amusing that the discourse on a tennis site has become a forum to disparage a future hall of fame basketball player (Clydes words not mine). It is amusing on some levels the expertise that some have that never played the game and probably don`t really understand it. Lets use Hubie Brown as an example, a basketball genius in deference to myself who never played in the league. A superstar can be recognized easily by what other teams must do to contain him. The double team him, don`t help off him and triangle him when possible. By this criteria, Melo is a super star still. As Scotty Pippen recently said Melo is a great talent that Phil has failed to put the right pieces around, and he (Phil ) should leave. Or as the Truth Paul Pierce has said, Melo is the toughest cover in the league. Kobe actually said the same stating Tony Allen as the toughest defender , And here we have a group of supremely qualified ???? basketball experts disparaging him. Lets see your creds trolls
Good stuff right here.
 

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
Thank you
My Grandpa was a huge B-Ball and Boxing fan going back to the 1940's.
he would go down to Madison Square garden and watch boxing matches and the Knicks.
I grew up with B-Ball Tennis and Boxing. Basketball is an art form. The athletic skill is unreal.
 

chrisb

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My Grandpa was a huge B-Ball and Boxing fan going back to the 1940's.
he would go down to Madison Square garden and watch boxing matches and the Knicks.
I grew up with B-Ball Tennis and Boxing. Basketball is an art form. The athletic skill is unreal.
My Grandpa was a huge B-Ball and Boxing fan going back to the 1940's.
he would go down to Madison Square garden and watch boxing matches and the Knicks.
I grew up with B-Ball Tennis and Boxing. Basketball is an art form. The athletic skill is unreal.
that would have been the old Garden used to go thre a lot. Big time college double headers. HS teams played before Knick games great times
 

TheFifthSet

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well, besides the 09 playoffs.
Yeah, I'll give you that, he played really well in those 3 series, but a single run does not a superstar make. That was also a deceptively great team, with a great front court. Billups was a hell of a back court sidekick, and averaged 20/6 on 67% TS. But yes, that was indeed a great playoffs.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
This an interesting post. I played college basketball and coached the game for 50 years. Have been a Knick fan since 1950. I find it amusing that the discourse on a tennis site has become a forum to disparage a future hall of fame basketball player (Clydes words not mine). It is amusing on some levels the expertise that some have that never played the game and probably don`t really understand it. Lets use Hubie Brown as an example, a basketball genius in deference to myself who never played in the league. A superstar can be recognized easily by what other teams must do to contain him. The double team him, don`t help off him and triangle him when possible. By this criteria, Melo is a super star still. As Scotty Pippen recently said Melo is a great talent that Phil has failed to put the right pieces around, and he (Phil ) should leave. Or as the Truth Paul Pierce has said, Melo is the toughest cover in the league. Kobe actually said the same stating Tony Allen as the toughest defender , And here we have a group of supremely qualified ???? basketball experts disparaging him. Lets see your creds trolls

To be honest, I don't care one bit about your supposed experience or appeals to authority. I never called myself supremely qualified to judge the game, neither did anyone else in this thread, and am not a troll for thinking Melo is a decent player rather than a superstar. I'm certainly not alone in that regard. Maybe under certain circumstances I would be deferential to you (out of respect for the insight of my elders), but not when you resort to ad hominem attacks.

He attracts loads of offensive attention, and is a tough cover, but he has never been a superstar. He's a high volume (low efficiency) scorer that doesn't make his teammates better, isn't a good defender and doesn't really do a single thing spectacularly. Teams swarm him, to some extent, because he's a black hole that has difficulty (or a general unwillingness) passing out of double teams. That's improved over the years, but now with age he's a little bit less potent as a scorer. As for his offensive repertoire, no trait he possesses is particularly game-changing: good finisher, decent handle, good mid-range game, decent long-range game. But clearly too much emphasis on the mid-range, a dying part of the court, something recognized by virtually the entire basketball community. Almost half of his shots this year (and over his career it's in the 40% range) have been mid-to-long twos, the least efficient shot in basketball. It is demonstrably clear that whatever difficulty defenders may have with him, they do a pretty admirable job containing him to that part of the court.

And I'm sure an open-minded guy like yourself will find his advanced metrics revelatory: all of them (Win Shares per 48, BPM, Wins per 48, etc) reveal him to be little more than a decent player. But, I can anticipate your response already. C'mon, let's hear the guy that disparages other people for their lack of basketball knowledge criticize something he has no knowledge of (metrics).
 
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chrisb

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To be honest, I don't care one bit about your supposed experience or appeals to authority. I never called myself supremely qualified to judge the game, and am not a troll for thinking Melo is a decent player rather than a superstar (and I'm not alone in that regard). Maybe under certain circumstances I would be deferential to you (out of respect for the insight of my elders), but not when you resort to ad hominem attacks.

He attracts loads of offensive attention, and is a tough cover, but he has never been a superstar. He's a high volume (low efficiency) scorer that doesn't make his teammates better, isn't a good defender and doesn't really do a single thing spectacularly. Teams swarm him, to some extent, because he's a black hole that has difficulty (or a general unwillingness) passing out of double teams. That's improved over the years, but now with age he's a little bit less potent as a scorer. As for his offensive repertoire, no trait he possesses is particularly game-changing: good finisher, decent handle, good mid-range game, decent long-range game. But clearly too much emphasis on the mid-range, a dying part of the court, something recognized by virtually the entire basketball community. Almost half of Anthony shots this year (and over his career it's in the 40's) have been mid-to-long twos, the least efficient shot in basketball. It is demonstrably clear that whatever difficulty defenders may have with him, they do a pretty admirable job containing him to that part of the court.

And I'm sure an open-minded guy like yourself will find his advanced metrics revelatory: all of them (Win Shares per 48, BPM, Wins per 48, etc) reveal him to be little more than a decent player. But, I can anticipate your response already. C'mon, let's hear the guy that disparages other people for their lack of basketball knowledge criticize something he has no knowledge of (metrics).
Math major understand metrics probability game theory quite well. In the game of basketball you need talent. That team was the best talent Melo has ever played with in the NBA. Lost to LA who had better talent. LeRoid took his party to South Beach to find talent, and let the Cavs draft for a few years note they got first picks 3 straight years with out being the worst team (probability of that is rare) which leads to the thought that the draft lottery is fixed (another story) then he comes back and demands Wiggins for Love and suddenly the deal is done (more fix?) Then all the necessary parts come for less money to find the holy grail. What do we the Knicks get, the shaft. So for your premise that Melo is at best average lets go to stats brainiac .If you look at the Hall of fame players You will find that his stats put him there right now sans a title. In fact some of the top players of all time are in there sans a title because the people that vote understand that even a player as great as Dominique Wilkins has no rings, nor Bernard King nor Carl Malone nor Pat Ewing nor Dolph Shayes to name just a few. So obviously they (being those that pick the superstars that shall be HOF players do not need a ring. Again wiser one than me, read what Coach K says of him, someone more knowledgable than either of us says
 

chrisb

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Math major understand metrics probability game theory quite well. In the game of basketball you need talent. That team was the best talent Melo has ever played with in the NBA. Lost to LA who had better talent. LeRoid took his party to South Beach to find talent, and let the Cavs draft for a few years note they got first picks 3 straight years with out being the worst team (probability of that is rare) which leads to the thought that the draft lottery is fixed (another story) then he comes back and demands Wiggins for Love and suddenly the deal is done (more fix?) Then all the necessary parts come for less money to find the holy grail. What do we the Knicks get, the shaft. So for your premise that Melo is at best average lets go to stats brainiac .If you look at the Hall of fame players You will find that his stats put him there right now sans a title. In fact some of the top players of all time are in there sans a title because the people that vote understand that even a player as great as Dominique Wilkins has no rings, nor Bernard King nor Carl Malone nor Pat Ewing nor Dolph Shayes to name just a few. So obviously they (being those that pick the superstars that shall be HOF players do not need a ring. Again wiser one than me, read what Coach K says of him, someone more knowledgable than either of us says
PS I was not appealing to authority I was stating what they said. So in refuting these people you are telling me you are better at judging talent than they are???, right!
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Math major understand metrics probability game theory quite well. In the game of basketball you need talent. That team was the best talent Melo has ever played with in the NBA. Lost to LA who had better talent. LeRoid took his party to South Beach to find talent, and let the Cavs draft for a few years note they got first picks 3 straight years with out being the worst team (probability of that is rare) which leads to the thought that the draft lottery is fixed (another story) then he comes back and demands Wiggins for Love and suddenly the deal is done (more fix?) Then all the necessary parts come for less money to find the holy grail. What do we the Knicks get, the shaft. So for your premise that Melo is at best average lets go to stats brainiac .If you look at the Hall of fame players You will find that his stats put him there right now sans a title. In fact some of the top players of all time are in there sans a title because the people that vote understand that even a player as great as Dominique Wilkins has no rings, nor Bernard King nor Carl Malone nor Pat Ewing nor Dolph Shayes to name just a few. So obviously they (being those that pick the superstars that shall be HOF players do not need a ring. Again wiser one than me, read what Coach K says of him, someone more knowledgable than either of us says
Not 'at best average'. I conceded long ago that he's a decent player. Just not a superstar.

If you understand metrics then you must have serious gripes with them and the modern day basketball analytics gurus. Because all the available advanced stats portray Melo as a good, not great, player. Several orders of magnitude below genuine superstars. His ppg/rpg/apg are good, primarily because he made a career of taking ill-advised shots (his shooting efficiency is actually slightly below average for a wing). He is a high volume player. High volume players generally have high point per game averages, at the expense of their shooting efficiency (and teams, for that matter).

The strawman arguments are getting tiresome, even this early on. I have not touched on Anthony's hall of fame candidacy, and I didn't use lack of team success against him. He certainly isn't comparable to someone like Karl Malone, but that's an argument for another day. Anthony as a basketball player simply isn't in the superstar realm. A team doesn't win a championship with him as their best player. Outside of long twos (a dying, and for good reason, skill), nothing he does is or has ever been at a superstar level. Feel free to disagree. But present some actual, substantive arguments before calling everyone a troll or a know-nothing.
 
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TheFifthSet

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PS I was not appealing to authority I was stating what they said. So in refuting these people you are telling me you are better at judging talent than they are???, right!
Your case relied primarily on the words of others, without critical examination of said words. Ergo, appeal to authority. I'm not going to accept someone else's words just because they are coaching luminaries. I have watched Melo practically his entire career and I have yet to see what sets him apart from other low efficiency, high volume scorers.

The second part of your post is barely decipherable, so I won't address it other than to say: keep the strawmen coming!
 

1477aces

Hall of Fame
A guy who took his team to the playoffs the first 10 years of his career, won a scoring title, will reach 30k points and the hall of fame, went further in the playoffs than CP3, and denied Lebron an unanimous MVP is just decent and was never a superstar?

At one point in time, he was certainly a top 10 if not top 5 player; which meets most people's criteria for a superstar.
 

TheFifthSet

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A guy who took his team to the playoffs the first 10 years of his career, won a scoring title, will reach 30k points and the hall of fame, went further in the playoffs than CP3, and denied Lebron an unanimous MVP is just decent and was never a superstar?

At one point in time, he was certainly a top 10 if not top 5 player; which meets most people's criteria for a superstar.
Nothing certain about it imo. If it's so certain, I'm willing to hear your case.

The MVP vote he received in 2013 was completely unwarranted, and it's not the first case of a player received a first place vote that shouldn't have gone to him. The scoring title by itself does not make him a superstar; he took lots of shots and as such scored lots of points. His efficiency was never particularly good. Even Jerry Stackhouse nearly won a scoring title one year.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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George Karl tried desperately to keep him. He coaches no defense and himself is a troll. Try Coach K and Coach B at the Cuse. Or maybe J Kidd. LeRoid holds the ball on every play longer then Melo, except he has dribble drive moves. Melo is a forward so most of his moves are off live ball action. He holds the ball to see where the doubs are coming from and if the Off is going to react to that. MJ held the ball Kobe held the ball AI held the ball Bird held the ball. What universe you living in. Read the MIT analytics on def efficiency you will note that Melo is one of the highest rated post defenders and top 3 in the 3 position for ball defense. Try using facts instead of listening to Stevie Smith on ESPN a bench scrub of a player
wow you .... really believe this stuff. I guess you know more than every GM in the NBA. You're so lucky your Knicks have such a historically great superstar! The titles will start flowing any day now!
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I'll give you that, he played really well in those 3 series, but a single run does not a superstar make. That was also a deceptively great team, with a great front court. Billups was a hell of a back court sidekick, and averaged 20/6 on 67% TS. But yes, that was indeed a great playoffs.
well yeah overall a lot of his fame was because from high school he was billed as LeBron's "rival" when the 2nd best player in the draft was obviously wade, and third was probably bosh.
 
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Chadillac

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The knicks are better without carmello. I feel bad for Phil, this guy wont leave not matter how unwanted he is
 

chrisb

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Not 'at best average'. I conceded long ago that he's a decent player. Just not a superstar.

If you understand metrics then you must have serious gripes with them and the modern day basketball analytics gurus. Because all the available advanced stats portray Melo as a good, not great, player. Several orders of magnitude below genuine superstars. His ppg/rpg/apg are good, primarily because he made a career of taking ill-advised shots (his shooting efficiency is actually slightly below average for a wing). He is a high volume player. High volume players generally have high point per game averages, at the expense of their shooting efficiency (and teams, for that matter).

The strawman arguments are getting tiresome, even this early on. I have not touched on Anthony's hall of fame candidacy, and I didn't use lack of team success against him. He certainly isn't comparable to someone like Karl Malone, but that's an argument for another day. Anthony as a basketball player simply isn't in the superstar realm. A team doesn't win a championship with him as their best player. Outside of long twos (a dying, and for good reason, skill), nothing he does is or has ever been at a superstar level. Feel free to disagree. But present some actual, substantive arguments before calling everyone a troll or a know-nothing.
 

chrisb

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Tennis site, we are boring the rest. Hsad t beers lets just agree to disagree. He is the best player on the Knicks best since Pat, need much better supporting cast. Phil should be fired He killed a 14 and 10 team with his drivel about his beloved Triangle. IMO he is a hall of fame player, he does have shortcomings as do all players. My feelings are that the problems with the Knicks are 1. Idiot Dolan, 2. Failure *****ing Phil who is stealing 12m per fanbase that refuses to revolt against their team , and finally the NBA that is corrupt
 
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