Djokovic is the only to lead rivalries with anyone he played 10+ times

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Rivalries against players met 10+ times:

DJOKOVIC
24 positive (100%)
0 draw
0 negative

SAMPRAS
20 positive (95.24%)
0 draw
1 negative (Krajicek)

FEDERER
37 positive (94.87%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Nadal)

BORG
15 positive (93.75%)
1 draw (McEnroe)
0 negative

NADAL
24 positive (92.31%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Davydenko)

LENDL
21 positive (91.30%)
1 draw (Clerc)
1 negative (Edberg)

MURRAY
16 positive (84.2%)
0 draw
3 negative (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal)

CONNORS
26 positive (83.87%)
1 draw (Edberg)
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Nastase, Borg)

MCENROE
20 positive (83.33%)
2 draw (Borg, Vilas)
2 negative (Lendl, Becker)

BECKER
10 positive (76.92%)
0 draw
3 negative (Lendl, Sampras, Agassi)

AGASSI
10 positive (71.43%)
1 draw (Enqvist)
3 negative (Sampras, Courier, Federer)

WILANDER
10 positive (71.43%)
0 draw
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Mecir)

EDBERG
14 positive (63.64%)
1 draw (Connors)
7 negative (Becker, Wilander, Ivanisevic, Stich, Sampras, McEnroe, Courier)
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Kinda easy when you're the youngest among other ATGs who you play against and everyone younger is a part of the ultramug era.

Where are the new Beckers, Lendls, Agassis currently aged 20-28? Can't find them. Hard to have a negative h2h against players who suck and can't even make up for the 10 year age difference.
 

OhYes

Legend
Kinda easy when you're the youngest among other ATGs who you play against and everyone younger is a part of the ultramug era.

Where are the new Beckers, Lendls, Agassis currently aged 20-28? Can't find them. Hard to have a negative h2h against players who suck and can't even make up for the 10 year age difference.
So easy. :D Why didn't Fed in his prime made sufficient amount of H2H wins so Novak would never surpass him ?
And by the way, ultramug era has nothing to do with this. It's H2H stats.
 
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Deleted member 307496

Guest
So easy. :D Why didn't Fed in his prime made sufficient amount of H2H wins so Novak would never surpass him ?
And by the way, ultramug era has nothing to do with this. It's H2H stats.
Ultramug era does have something to do with this considering Federer is 38. But that's right.. he's at his peak today according to almost all "Nole" fans.
 
Kinda easy when you're the youngest among other ATGs who you play against and everyone younger is a part of the ultramug era.

Where are the new Beckers, Lendls, Agassis currently aged 20-28? Can't find them. Hard to have a negative h2h against players who suck and can't even make up for the 10 year age difference.
"Kinda easy" :)....:D....:laughing:...:-D
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
So easy. :D Why didn't Fed in his prime made sufficient amount of H2H wins so Novak would never surpass him ?
And by the way, ultramug era has nothing to do with this. It's H2H stats.
I slightly disagree on this prime issue with you. Federer massively improved his game in last 4-5 years and he overturned his H2H against Murray and is catching up against Nadal. Djokovic is just too good; Federer put some good fight, but no cigars.
 

OhYes

Legend
Ultramug era does have something to do with this considering Federer is 38. But that's right.. he's at his peak today according to almost all "Nole" fans.
We had 3 eras during big3. Players from their era, Dimitrov/Nishikori era and Zverev/Tsitsipas era. Is it fair to call 3 eras ultramug or is it better to say big 3 are big3 for a reason ?
 

OhYes

Legend
I slightly disagree on this prime issue with you. Federer massively improved his game in last 4-5 years and he overturned his H2H against Murray and is catching up against Nadal. Djokovic is just too good; Federer put some good fight, but no cigars.
Well I don't know what to say about that :) honestly.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
So easy. :D Why didn't Fed in his prime made sufficient amount of H2H wins so Novak would never surpass him ?
And by the way, ultramug era has nothing to do with this. It's H2H stats.
Because Federer had a window of like 4-5 years instead of 10+? Even saying 4-5 is a stretch where he really had like 2-3.

If he did you'd be crying now that he took advantage of poor young Novak.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
I believe Roddick at various times has given multiple reasons for retiring

- He wanted to watch Homeland
- He was mentally and physically done and couldn't do another full year
- He wanted to play Angry Birds (I may confuse this with another interview)
- He wanted to preserve his H2H with Djokovic.
 

OhYes

Legend
Because Federer had a window of like 4-5 years instead of 10+? Even saying 4-5 is a stretch where he really had like 2-3.

If he did you'd be crying now that he took advantage of poor young Novak.
He had 7 years window. Everything after 2011 is neck to neck because you can't really put equation between Djokovic from 2006/2010 and Federer 2015/2019, Federer is better player now than Djokovic was then concerning most important aspects - experience, physical condition, and confidence.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
He had 7 years window. Everything after 2011 is neck to neck because you can't really put equation between Djokovic from 2006/2010 and Federer 2015/2019, Federer is better player now than Djokovic was then concerning most important aspects - experience, physical condition, and confidence.
Yeah prime 29-year old Federer taking advantage of a baby 23-year old Djokovic.

Even if you take 2006-2010 that's 5 YEARS. Compared to 2011-2019 which is 9 YEARS. And there's easily one more year to go. That bastarrrd Fed just took advantage of DJokovic.
 

OhYes

Legend
Compare


with

Nadal was really much better in his early days because he wanted to prove a point, to push himself up above anyone else. Now he is concentrated more on his longevity and slam chase. I don't think H2H matters to him so much now as some other things.
 

OhYes

Legend
Yeah prime 29-year old Federer taking advantage of a baby 23-year old Djokovic.

Even if you take 2006-2010 that's 5 YEARS. Compared to 2011-2019 which is 9 YEARS. And there's easily one more year to go. That bastarrrd Fed just took advantage of DJokovic.
You are right, it's 5 years. I have taken 2004 and 2005 :laughing: sorry. But nevertheless, as I was saying in my previous post - Federer in 2015 was better player than Djokovic in 2009. So you cannot make Federer as washed up semi-retired player from 2011 onward.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
You are right, it's 5 years. I have taken 2004 and 2005 :laughing: sorry. But nevertheless, as I was saying in my previous post - Federer in 2015 was better player than Djokovic in 2009. So you cannot make Federer as washed up semi-retired player from 2011 onward.
Well Federer is overall the better player so there's that. You don't seem to care that Fed played like crap in 2013 or 2016 and took a couple of losses to Djokovic.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
Ultramug era does have something to do with this considering Federer is 38. But that's right.. he's at his peak today according to almost all "Nole" fans.
It’s only a few like Lew and ABCD. Ask people like Hitman,NoleFam they will tell you Federer isn’t at his best these days.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
Interestingly, the top 6 records - all over 90% - belong to arguably the top 6 players of the Open Era, but not necessarily in that order.

(As to h2h records among the Big 3, I think those who have been here for at least a month have seen the various talking points numerous times.)
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Nadal beating Flurer who was seriously considering withdrawing from the tournament and who barely beat Davydenko the round before. Very impressive. 2017 = business as usual.
Do I need to remind you about 24:16. I don't know your level of education, but you have probably enough to understand that an example from 2004 is business as usual.
 

OhYes

Legend
Well Federer is overall the better player so there's that. You don't seem to care that Fed played like crap in 2013 or 2016 and took a couple of losses to Djokovic.
H2H says he isn't better player, so there's that.
You also don't seem to care Djokovic was injured after FO 2016 and played lousy until WM 2018 when Federer got himself 3 slams out of nowhere. They would be all tied up nicely now, maybe even Djokovic in the lead.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
It’s only a few like Lew and ABCD. Ask people like Hitman,NoleFam they will tell you Federer isn’t at his best these days.
it is from Federer himself:


“I always believe that I have improved over the last 10 years, you know, that I’ve not gone backwards, and I’ve been able to win (the Open) 10 years ago, so I always feel as I move forward I am a more complete player, a better player,” Federer said. (December, 2013).


“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practiced for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.” (August, 2015)


Question:

In 2003 you won your first title in Dubai. How much chances would the Federer of 2003 have against the Federer of today?

Answer from Federer:

Not many chances I believe. The game has extremely changed. It is more dynamic, faster and has become somewhat ruthless. The players are more athletic and the material makes the game faster. I myself have become better. In fact, I had to become better because I had new opponents and new challenges. Tennis on this level doesn’t allow you stagnancy. (March, 2019)
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
it is from Federer himself:


“I always believe that I have improved over the last 10 years, you know, that I’ve not gone backwards, and I’ve been able to win (the Open) 10 years ago, so I always feel as I move forward I am a more complete player, a better player,” Federer said. (December, 2013).


“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practiced for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.” (August, 2015)


Question:

In 2003 you won your first title in Dubai. How much chances would the Federer of 2003 have against the Federer of today?

Answer from Federer:

Not many chances I believe. The game has extremely changed. It is more dynamic, faster and has become somewhat ruthless. The players are more athletic and the material makes the game faster. I myself have become better. In fact, I had to become better because I had new opponents and new challenges. Tennis on this level doesn’t allow you stagnancy. (March, 2019)
Lol.
 

ReeceSachs

Hall of Fame
These are verified public statements by Federer. Would you like your brain tumor treated by one of the world best doctors or by anonymous internet forum poster? Do you think that Federer knows less about himself than a TTW poster.
Lol.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
it is from Federer himself:


“I always believe that I have improved over the last 10 years, you know, that I’ve not gone backwards, and I’ve been able to win (the Open) 10 years ago, so I always feel as I move forward I am a more complete player, a better player,” Federer said. (December, 2013).


“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practiced for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.” (August, 2015)


Question:

In 2003 you won your first title in Dubai. How much chances would the Federer of 2003 have against the Federer of today?

Answer from Federer:

Not many chances I believe. The game has extremely changed. It is more dynamic, faster and has become somewhat ruthless. The players are more athletic and the material makes the game faster. I myself have become better. In fact, I had to become better because I had new opponents and new challenges. Tennis on this level doesn’t allow you stagnancy. (March, 2019)
How many times with these same quotes?!

I root for Nadal and Djokovic more than (I do) Roger, and admire all three and many others, past and present.

Can we all just admire that Fed is still playing at an amazing level, is an optimist, loves the game, and has become more of a problem solver over the years? Why has this become a negative - for either/any "side"?
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
These are verified public statements by Federer. Would you like your brain tumor treated by one of the world best doctors or by anonymous internet forum poster? Do you think that Federer knows less about himself than a TTW poster.
Thinking Federer is unbiased and honest.

Federer doesn't care about speaking the truth in such matters. Nobody does. All players care about in interviews is good PR.

I mean. Lance Armstrong claimed he didn't use doping. Athletes are absolute beacons of truth are they not?
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Yeah prime 29-year old Federer taking advantage of a baby 23-year old Djokovic.

Even if you take 2006-2010 that's 5 YEARS. Compared to 2011-2019 which is 9 YEARS. And there's easily one more year to go. That bastarrrd Fed just took advantage of DJokovic.
In their h2h matches Federer had an higher average ranking than Djokovic.

There's no evidence of Djokovic taking advantage of declined Federer overall.
 

Incognito

Legend
it is from Federer himself:


“I always believe that I have improved over the last 10 years, you know, that I’ve not gone backwards, and I’ve been able to win (the Open) 10 years ago, so I always feel as I move forward I am a more complete player, a better player,” Federer said. (December, 2013).


“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practiced for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.” (August, 2015)


Question:

In 2003 you won your first title in Dubai. How much chances would the Federer of 2003 have against the Federer of today?

Answer from Federer:

Not many chances I believe. The game has extremely changed. It is more dynamic, faster and has become somewhat ruthless. The players are more athletic and the material makes the game faster. I myself have become better. In fact, I had to become better because I had new opponents and new challenges. Tennis on this level doesn’t allow you stagnancy. (March, 2019)
You know Federer is lying. All that experience is nothing compared to what he had lost post 2009. Footwork, speed, Nadal-like defense, abilility to recover physically, the list goes on. ”Practiced for 10 more years” :-DHe was a veteran at age 24 being a multi-slam winner and undisputed world Number 1.

Can’t wait for Djokovic to turn 38 and reach his peak.:laughing:
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
You know Federer is lying. All that experience is nothing compared to what he had lost post 2009. Footwork, speed, Nadal-like defense, abilility to recover physically, the list goes on. ”Practiced for 10 more years” :-DHe was a veteran at age 24 being a multi-slam winner and undisputed world Number 1.

Can’t wait for Djokovic to turn 38 and reach his peak.:laughing:
For now Djokovic won half of his Slams when older than Federer in 2009.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
And he got how many months of suspension when he physically attacked Novak in the locker room after he lost 2008 quarter finals? Rules should be applied on all players.

https://www.si.com/tennis/beyond-baseline/2013/10/03/andy-roddick-novak-djokovic-fighting-2008-us-open
It wasn't serious enough for a suspension. Besides, this will just start another war and I feel like there is enough of that ahead of us already. Both were out of line a little bit and they made up later.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Do I need to remind you about 24:16. I don't know your level of education, but you have probably enough to understand that an example from 2004 is business as usual.
40% of matches loss is definitely not business as usual. Non-clay surfaces since 2014 AO, however, is. 6-0 = 100%

But hey you can make the same argument for Nadal on clay with an incredibly big sample of 1.
 

Sport

Legend
Djokovic is the only to lead rivalries with anyone he played 10+ times

Not in Slasm though. Djokovic has played over 10 times against Nadal in Slams. Yet, Nadal leads the H2H over Djokovic 9-6 in Grand Slams (including 2-1 at the US Open).
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
In their h2h matches Federer had an higher average ranking than Djokovic.

There's no evidence of Djokovic taking advantage of declined Federer overall.
If by evidence you mean an "expert" saying for example that 2016 USO - greatest win of all time then no LMAO.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
H2H says he isn't better player, so there's that.
Didn't we just have a discussion about 5 vs 10 years or something? If it was 10 years for Fed what would the h2h be? Like 35-10? There would be endless crying from Fed haters.
You also don't seem to care Djokovic was injured after FO 2016 and played lousy until WM 2018 when Federer got himself 3 slams out of nowhere. They would be all tied up nicely now, maybe even Djokovic in the lead.
Yeah and how many times did Djokovic play Federer in 2017 to early 2018 again? Yeah, zero. Djokovic comes back to his old level, Federer declines after IW 2018 and suddenly they play multiple times. That's how Djokovic is "better". Federer would've murdered Djokovic if they played in 2017.
 

EdSWright

Professional
Rivalries against players met 10+ times:

DJOKOVIC
24 positive (100%)
0 draw
0 negative

SAMPRAS
20 positive (95.24%)
0 draw
1 negative (Krajicek)

FEDERER
37 positive (94.87%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Nadal)

BORG
15 positive (93.75%)
1 draw (McEnroe)
0 negative

NADAL
24 positive (92.31%)
0 draw
2 negative (Djokovic, Davydenko)

LENDL
21 positive (91.30%)
1 draw (Clerc)
1 negative (Edberg)

MURRAY
16 positive (84.2%)
0 draw
3 negative (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal)

CONNORS
26 positive (83.87%)
1 draw (Edberg)
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Nastase, Borg)

MCENROE
20 positive (83.33%)
2 draw (Borg, Vilas)
2 negative (Lendl, Becker)

BECKER
10 positive (76.92%)
0 draw
3 negative (Lendl, Sampras, Agassi)

AGASSI
10 positive (71.43%)
1 draw (Enqvist)
3 negative (Sampras, Courier, Federer)

WILANDER
10 positive (71.43%)
0 draw
4 negative (Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Mecir)

EDBERG
14 positive (63.64%)
1 draw (Connors)
7 negative (Becker, Wilander, Ivanisevic, Stich, Sampras, McEnroe, Courier)
Busily crunching the numbers again, I see. Why?
 

OhYes

Legend
Didn't we just have a discussion about 5 vs 10 years or something? If it was 10 years for Fed what would the h2h be? Like 35-10? There would be endless crying from Fed haters.

Yeah and how many times did Djokovic play Federer in 2017 to early 2018 again? Yeah, zero. Djokovic comes back to his old level, Federer declines after IW 2018 and suddenly they play multiple times. That's how Djokovic is "better". Federer would've murdered Djokovic if they played in 2017.
Why would we give Fed 10 year advantage in the first place when he isn't 10 years older ?
It isn't Fed's fault he couldn't play Nole back then but he got himself in the lead at much more important stat. Also it isn't Nole's fault he couldn't play Fed or Rafa more when they were bad.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Didn't we just have a discussion about 5 vs 10 years or something? If it was 10 years for Fed what would the h2h be? Like 35-10? There would be endless crying from Fed haters.

Yeah and how many times did Djokovic play Federer in 2017 to early 2018 again? Yeah, zero. Djokovic comes back to his old level, Federer declines after IW 2018 and suddenly they play multiple times. That's how Djokovic is "better". Federer would've murdered Djokovic if they played in 2017.
If Djokovic avoids playing in form Federer why was Federer ranked higher on average than Djokovic in their h2h?
 
It wasn't serious enough for a suspension. Besides, this will just start another war and I feel like there is enough of that ahead of us already. Both were out of line a little bit and they made up later.
I like that you are a peacemaker, but Roddick shoud recived at least 3 months of suspension. If Novak atacked Andy he would gotten the suspension it is the truth.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Thinking Federer is unbiased and honest.

Federer doesn't care about speaking the truth in such matters. Nobody does. All players care about in interviews is good PR.

I mean. Lance Armstrong claimed he didn't use doping. Athletes are absolute beacons of truth are they not?
I believe that Federer is honest and I do not compare him to Lance who is a verified liar and cheater. When you were at your best is a personal question and only those asked know the answer for certain. This is like asking "when was your best sex"? I don't know, you do.

You know Federer is lying.
I don't. On the contrary, I appreciate that he tells the truth while possibly knowing that it could annoy some people who supports him as it goes against the myth.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
If Djokovic avoids playing in form Federer why was Federer ranked higher on average than Djokovic in their h2h?
What difference does it make?

If you beat Federer in August 2008 when he was in crap form you beat the world no 1. If you beat Djokovic in 2015 you still beat the world no 1 even though he was beating everyone left right and centre. From a statistical point of view there was no difference between beating Fed in 2008 and Djokovic in 2015.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
What difference does it make?

If you beat Federer in August 2008 when he was in crap form you beat the world no 1. If you beat Djokovic in 2015 you still beat the world no 1 even though he was beating everyone left right and centre. From a statistical point of view there was no difference between beating Fed in 2008 and Djokovic in 2015.
The ranking is used by ATP to compile draws, I think that is a good indicator of form. It's not always right but it usually is.
 
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